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I said I don't want to debate what is the criteria for needy because it's gonna be subjective.
So then you'll also have to drop your claim that nobody "needy" is going without, since that relies on us accepting the definition you want to use.
 

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See above. There is no federal definition of the term "needy". This has already been addressed, but you're not really paying attention.
So the metric the government uses to determine free lunch is poor and they are purposefully denying kids free lunch that need free lunch? Also, no school we deny kids a lunch if they don't have the money.
 

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Also, no school we deny kids a lunch if they don't have the money.
Well look who's lying now.




While MOST schools wouldn't deny a child food when they can't pay, and would just keep track of their meal debt, there are schools and school districts which do outright deny children food if they aren't able to pay, or if their meal debt is deemed to be too high.
 

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...and no one was surprised.

The last paragraph is the real issue here.

The Republicans have hammered Hunter Biden in an attempt to level the playing field on suspicions of illegality between Joe Biden and Trump. What they've ended up doing is causing a relatively trivial case that has failed to implicate Joe whilst undermining their complaints that the actions against Trump are petty and biased.
Have they though? Imagine you're the sort of person who actually believes that the courts are being weaponized against Trump as a political attack (and that's why all it's all going on in an election year). Biden's son getting hit with a charge that doesn't implicate Biden in anything at all and that he will likely get a slap on the wrist for (rehab and probation, maybe a year or two at a min-security at the very worst) feels like the kind of thing you'd let happen to give the appearance that the courts aren't being used as a political attack even if they are because it's something that is going to have little to no political impact.

It's kinda ironic that the thing Hunter Biden got convicted of is something many of the Republicans going on about it don't think should be a crime though.

I read a quote from a Republican that Hunter Biden should have been threatened with life in prison unless "he turned on the Big Guy". That's persecution.
I mean, I suppose they could threaten him with the full 25 years (which is essentially a life sentence for someone in their 50s) if he doesn't turn on his father, presuming there was anything to turn on his father about. We threaten people with harsher prosecution if they don't turn on their allies/conspirators all the time. It's no more persecution than pressuring people to turn on Trump on threat of harsher prosecution.

The italicized bit is doing a lot of heavy lifting, mind you.

Er, is life imprisonment within the sentencing guidelines of what he was charged with? They'd have trouble making that threat convincing if not.
Up to 25 years, but Hunter is in his 50s, so it's functionally the same thing. Besides, sentencing guidelines are optional, a lot of discretion is given to the judge. That's why there was that minor scandal involving Justice Jackson because she had a habit of looking at the guidelines, what the prosecution asked for, what the defense asked for and often handing out sentences lower than all of the above, notably in several cases involving pedophiles.
 

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Have they though? Imagine you're the sort of person who actually believes that the courts are being weaponized against Trump as a political attack (and that's why all it's all going on in an election year). Biden's son getting hit with a charge that doesn't implicate Biden in anything at all and that he will likely get a slap on the wrist for (rehab and probation, maybe a year or two at a min-security at the very worst) feels like the kind of thing you'd let happen to give the appearance that the courts aren't being used as a political attack even if they are because it's something that is going to have little to no political impact.
It's not that I disagree lots of that sort of person are out there, but they are voting for Trump come hell or high water. But there are others.

US elections are probably decided by only around 20% of the electorate who might reasonable shift allegiance (in a handful of states) - the other 80% were locked in before the campaigning even started. Every percent counts, and it potentially only needs 1-2% of the electorate to think "Dude, your case makes no sense" and that candidate has just gone from winner to loser.
 

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Well look who's lying now.




While MOST schools wouldn't deny a child food when they can't pay, and would just keep track of their meal debt, there are schools and school districts which do outright deny children food if they aren't able to pay, or if their meal debt is deemed to be too high.
I'm sure that happens time to time but it's a rarity. The ABC7 Chicago article states "Nutrition Services staff apologized to the parent as soon as they became aware of the situation. The employee who was working the lunch line has been provided training to make sure that this doesn't happen again. It is not our policy to ever deny a child lunch, even if their account is temporarily outstanding."
 

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I'm sure that happens time to time but it's a rarity. The ABC7 Chicago article states "Nutrition Services staff apologized to the parent as soon as they became aware of the situation. The employee who was working the lunch line has been provided training to make sure that this doesn't happen again. It is not our policy to ever deny a child lunch, even if their account is temporarily outstanding."
And that doesn't matter, you clearly claimed that it never happened, therefore you are a liar.

Also, if you read the second article you'll see a DISTRICT WIDE policy in South Dakota where kids are being denied food.

But starting next Monday, a child’s consequence for unpaid debts will be less food. In extreme cases, no food.

When a non-qualifying student’s account has any amount of negative balance, breakfast will be denied. If an account reaches a balance of -$20, the student will be offered a “Smart Snack” and a milk rather than a hot lunch.

If an account reaches $75 below zero, no food can be served to the student.
 
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So then you'll also have to drop your claim that nobody "needy" is going without, since that relies on us accepting the definition you want to use.
Just gotta point out that Musk deems himself needy so he can get government contracts that props up most of his companies. A LOT of companies do this
 

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Here's the real "culture war": People in power trying to use the government to force the rest of us to follow their religion.

PROTIP: "Freedom of religion" does mean "freedom from religion".
The dumbest thing Richard Dawkins has said is that he is a Cultural Christian

Freedom of Religion, democracy, Freedom of Speech etc has nothing to do with being a Christian. It was FORDCED onto Christianity (and all other religions) so they would stop killing people.
 

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So the metric the government uses to determine free lunch is poor [...]
It's certainly inexhaustive. Nobody in their right mind would argue that noone outside of those on <130% of poverty-level income are "needy"; certainly the government did not argue that. You're the only one who seems to want to, since that's the strange approach you've chosen to argue this case on.

Also, no school we deny kids a lunch if they don't have the money.
Lol, yes they will.
 

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Freedom of Religion, democracy, Freedom of Speech etc has nothing to do with being a Christian. It was FORDCED onto Christianity (and all other religions) so they would stop killing people.
Historically, every atheist culture immediately loses all of these things and starts killing lots of people. Cultural Revolution and all that.
 

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Historically, every atheist culture immediately loses all of these things and starts killing lots of people. Cultural Revolution and all that.
Are you talking about atheism as a publicly set policy, i.e. something tacitly and/or explicitly enforced, or an atheism borne from a society that is employing freedom of religion which, as things turn out, lead to a majority of society rejecting religion?
 

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https://deadline.com/2024/06/bad-bunny-concert-targeted-mass-shooter-feds-indictment-1235973246/
The federal government has indicted an Arizona man who plotted to stage a mass shooting at a Bad Bunny concert in Atlanta.

Mark Adams Prieto, 58, was indicted earlier this week after he was arrested last month over the alleged plot. Prieto allegedly hoped to spark a race war ahead of the presidential election.

He was charged with Possession of an Unregistered Firearm, Firearms Trafficking, and Transfer of a Firearm for Use in a Hate Crime. If convicted, he could be sentenced to up to 40 years in prison.

Prieto allegedly brought semi-automatic rifles using cash or trades to avoid federal gun regulators.


A source Prieto attempted to recruit to his plot notified the FBI. Their investigation used an undercover agent that Prieto also attempted to enlist, according to an affidavit obtained by NBC News.

“Prieto believes that martial law will be implemented shortly after the 2024 election and that a mass shooting should occur prior,” the source told the FBI Phoenix, according to the affidavit, adding that he was “ready to kill a bunch of people.”

Prieto allegedly stashed guns near the concert before traveling to carry out the shooting.
 

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And that doesn't matter, you clearly claimed that it never happened, therefore you are a liar.

Also, if you read the second article you'll see a DISTRICT WIDE policy in South Dakota where kids are being denied food.
From the article that you failed to mention, "Every K-12 student that does not receive free or reduced meals has a 'food account' with the district." Needy kids do not have a food account so they will not be denied food.

It's certainly inexhaustive. Nobody in their right mind would argue that noone outside of those on <130% of poverty-level income are "needy"; certainly the government did not argue that. You're the only one who seems to want to, since that's the strange approach you've chosen to argue this case on.



Lol, yes they will.
I still don't have any evidence of needy kids not getting food because of doing away with pandemic era policy.