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TLDR: The US Navy doesn't have enough high-tech ammunition to fight China in case they fight in Taiwan.

And no partial mobilization of US factories to produce high-tech ammunition like missiles, JDAM kits, etc would either be too late or could damage the US economy more than it already would with a war.

It's pretty funny when you think about it. You need peace, but during peace, you need to prepare for war to make that peace last.

And whatever happens, I know TikTok, and or the GOP would blame the Democrats for it if they win the next election, and there's a possibility that Trump despite his words may even cede Taiwan to China in exchange for some concessions if at all. So there is a chance that some Gen Z will go to Canada, prison, or fly to another country even if we mobilized fully.

For example, we have around 500 SM-6 missiles with 60 warships to share them and a large number of ground-based launchers that also need them. I honestly wish they didn't even tell us how many missiles the US Armed Forces have because the deterrence is just not there for us to show those numbers.

Of course, I could be wrong and China could just be shocked and awed by the shock and awe of the US military and not make this war go on longer, but with Ukraine, and Israel I doubt that will be the case.

And China has a massive actual navy if we include their naval militia and coast guard. US Drones also don't work, China has drones too, and every missile launch at a drone has opportunity costs baked into that decision. China is also the world's largest shipyard alongside the world's factory.

Simply put we need more high-tech ammunition to deter wars, the Houthis, Hezbollah, Russia, Hamas, and Iran aren't deterred by the US and high-tech ammunition is likely why.

I have no doubt the US would sink many ships, destroy many planes, and take out quite a few missiles, but they need the ammunition to sustain it.

The thing Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea learned about the US is that if you can get nukes to keep US forces out of your country so they don't topple the regime leaders, you can do something like what the Tablian did which is to out stubborn the US until they get another enemy or get war-fatigue.

Biden isn't solving this problem well, and Trump had four years to solve it but didn't.
 

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Its funny that none of them can explain what exactly Trump is trying to save the country from.
They don't want to say that quiet part out loud yet. They want to "save" the country from the rest of us- they want "their" country back, the one that lauds them above all others and puts "those people" "in their place".
 

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People, we are now arguing whether putting up a noose in front of someone's place of employment and then shouting for that person to be hung is considered actually wanting to hang i.e. kill someone.

This is the brainrot of American conservatism.
 

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People, we are now arguing whether putting up a noose in front of someone's place of employment and then shouting for that person to be hung is considered actually wanting to hang i.e. kill someone.
Not just putting it up and shouting, but actively breaking in and attacking people.

Any burning an effigy of an elected president is mentally healthy?

Note how those people are not actually anywhere near Trump, and are not actively attempting to set fire to Trump Tower, Mar-a-lago, or the White House to burn Trump like the effigy they're holding.

It's almost like there's a difference between speech and action.
 
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Note how those people are not actually anywhere near Trump, and are not actively attempting to set fire to Trump Tower, Mar-a-lago, or the White House to burn Trump like the effigy they're holding.

It's almost like there's a difference between speech and action.
Yet the left did do that to many federal buildings in 2020. I don't think there was much damage to the Capitol. Also was anyone actually changed with trying to actually take out Pence?

This is what happens when you keep pushing such hyperbolic narratives. Both sides do the same fucking shit but you guys never call out your fucking side. Have principles to stand for rather than tribes.
 

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you guys never call out your fucking side.
I don't have a "side."

And? Presidents get tons of casual death threats all the time. You think Clinton, Bush, and Obama never got a death threat during their presidencies?

Again, there's a difference between talking and action. Did the guy in that news story take any action? Did he drive to Trump's house with weapons and attempt to carry out an attack? No, because what you're doing is called false equivalence.

On January 6th people DID actively break into the capital, and they DID actively attack capital police and security, they DID actively attempt to attack members of congress. They took action, they didn't just make threats.
 

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Its funny that none of them can explain what exactly Trump is trying to save the country from. This in contrast to the alternative who can very clearly state what's so dangerous about Trump.
The Jews. They mean the Jews.
 

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These losers are so deep in their persecution complexes that they're complaining about comic art from ten years ago.

Here's what She-Hulk looks like in a comic released this year.

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Also, she's green - they're obviously trying to push some environmental message.
 

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LA sheriff gangs up to their old shit again, with new sheriff gangs


Witness to the disappearance of Francisco Nunez shot by LASD deputies

Nunez was last seen by several in LASD custody, though LASD denies it. He was found dead 5 days later.
by Cerise Castle07/05/2024 3:50 pm

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Two Los Angeles County Deputy Sheriffs speak to eachother in Downtown Los Angeles.


A 14-year-old boy was shot by Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies on Tuesday in the city of Commerce. The teenager is one of the last people to see Francisco Nunez, a Lancaster man who was found dead in an alleyway after being taken into custody by deputies alive.

In a statement, the sheriff’s department reported that deputies from the East Los Angeles station were patrolling in the city of Commerce.

According to the sheriff’s department, the deputies located a stolen vehicle as they drove along Atlantic Boulevard. The vehicle stopped, two people exited it, and fled on foot. LASD set up a containment zone and located one of the people on a nearby roof. The person was then taken into custody, per the department’s account.

The sheriff’s department says that, as deputies were in the process of breaking down the containment zone they spotted the second person from the vehicle – the 14-year-old boy. The department says that deputies “contacted” the child, and shot him several times. According to his family, who have started a GoFundMe, the 14-year-old sustained wounds to his chest and leg.

The teenager remains hospitalized in critical but stable condition, according to family members and the sheriff’s department.


LASD responded to a request for comment by referring a reporter to previously posted Nixle alerts.

The young man was one of several witnesses who spoke to LA Public Press in May about the mysterious disappearance of Francisco Nunez. He and four others described seeing Nunez beaten and placed into handcuffs by deputies. The sheriff’s department denies that Nunez was ever in custody. Five days after Nunez was last seen, his body was discovered about 250 feet from where deputies had initially made contact with him.

Nunez’s cause of death was ruled to be from the “effects of methamphetamine”. However, the autopsy report doesn’t account for bruising and several markings that appear to be burns that present throughout his body, clearly visible in photos of his body post-autopsy reviewed by LA Public Press.

Nunez’s death was investigated by LASD homicide detectives Rivas and Leopoldo Sanchez. Sanchez has been identified as an associate of the Banditos deputy gang. He told LAist that he “took a lot of pride” in a controversial station logo that celebrates police violence, and denied being a member of the gang.

Since Nunez’s death, members of his family have documented persistent harassment by members of the department. An LA Public Press reporter was pulled over shortly after meeting with witnesses to Nunez’s detainment in East Los Angeles, including the 14-year-old who was later shot.

The East Los Angeles station is responsible for patrolling unincorporated East Los Angeles, as well as the city of Commerce. The East LA station also has a long history of deputy gangs operating out of it – including the Banditos.


Last year's report on newly formed gang;


New deputy ‘gang’ forming in L.A. County Sheriff’s Department, lawsuit alleges

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The Los Angeles County sheriff’s station in East L.A.
(Francine Orr/Los Angeles Times)


By Keri BlakingerStaff Writer
Published Feb. 8, 2023 Updated Feb. 10, 2023 9:34 AM PT

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputies are forming a new “gang” in the agency’s East L.A. station, according to a deputy who alleges in a lawsuit he was abused when he refused to join the group.

Amayel Garfias filed his lawsuit in Superior Court last month, claiming he was harassed, assaulted and purposely put in harm’s way by an alleged member of the new “gang.” Both the county and several sheriff’s employees should be held responsible for allowing the East L.A. station to remain under “gang” control, the lawsuit states.

Citing the pending litigation, the Sheriff’s Department declined to comment on the lawsuit, but said the incident is under investigation.

“The Department does not tolerate deputy gangs or conduct contrary to our values,” department spokeswoman Lorena Rodriguez said in an email.

Attorneys for the county have not yet responded to the lawsuit in court.

The lawsuit comes less than a year after the independent watchdog over the department, Inspector General Max Huntsman, compiled a list of more than 40 sheriff’s deputies who he said were members of gang-like groups operating in several stations. The list included 11 alleged members of the Banditos, a group in the East L.A. station.

“It’s disheartening to see that after one deputy gang has come to light, waiting in the wings is a new one,” said Humberto Guizar, the attorney representing Garfias in his lawsuit.

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The Sheriff’s Department has long faced allegations about secretive deputy groups running amok in certain stations and jails, controlling command staff there and promoting a culture of violence. A Loyola Marymount University report released in 2021 identified 18 such groups that have existed over the past five decades, including the Executioners at the Compton station, the Reapers at the South L.A. station, and the Banditos at the East L.A. station — which has been a particular hotspot for trouble.

In one particularly violent incident involving the East L.A. station, a group of alleged Banditos attacked several new deputies at a party in 2018. Two of the targeted deputies were knocked unconscious, and the brawl sparked several investigations.

The East L.A. station is also at the center of a sprawling lawsuit filed in 2019 by eight deputies alleging they’d been regularly harassed by Banditos members who refused to send backup on dangerous calls and pressured them to quit.

Though then-Sheriff Alex Villanueva told the Civilian Oversight Commission in 2021 that the Banditos group “no longer exists” at East L.A. station, that summer the eight deputies updated their lawsuit to say that the group had just taken on 10 new members.

For Garfias, the problems in East L.A. began in December 2021 when, according to the lawsuit, another deputy started verbally abusing him. The suit doesn’t detail any of the exchanges between the two men, but alleges the treatment was in retaliation for Garfias’ refusal to join the new gang.

A few weeks after that, the harassment turned physical. According to the suit, near the end of January 2022, the deputy slammed a computer onto Garfias’ arm so hard he had to seek medical care. Less than a week later, he allegedly smacked Garfias and hit him in the chest while holding a handheld radio.

The deputy “intentionally used violent force on Garfias, he specifically intended Garfias to be seriously injured,” the lawsuit notes, also accusing the deputy of “malicious, willful, oppressive, and despicable conduct.”

Garfias alleges that officials at the station and other department employees, who are not named, knew about what happened and did nothing to stop it, according to the lawsuit.

Eventually, Garfias filed a claim with the state’s Department of Fair Housing and Employment, and investigators with the Sheriff Department’s Internal Affairs Bureau interviewed him, according to his lawyer.

But Guizar said the harassment only ended when Garfias stopped working due to an unrelated on-duty injury. It’s unclear whether he’ll return to work.

The account of the station’s dynamics and culture echoes prior descriptions of the gang-like groups there. As the Loyola report noted two years ago, “Several lawsuits against the County allege that Banditos members exercise de facto control over the East Los Angeles station and that LASD management has tolerated and even tacitly approved of their misconduct.”

But instead of calling out Banditos as the source of the trouble, the Garfias case places the blame on a new group.

Though the lawsuit doesn’t name the new group, Samuel Peterson, a researcher at the Rand Corp. who co-authored the 2021 report, said in an interview that it’s not unusual for new groups to form.

An existing group can splinter into subgroups, he said, if, for example, members who work night shifts create a clique for themselves. A new group can also form because a dominant group is so exclusionary that uninvited deputies form their own, because the leader — or “shot-caller” — of a group leaves the station, or because a group simply has gotten too big, Peterson said.

“There’s word from East L.A. specifically that there’s a rule that once a group reaches 100 members, a new group has to form,” Peterson said. “But I’m not sure how rigid they are about that.”

Other stations did not appear to have such limits, he said.

Although the 2021 report Peterson co-authored found that the number of deputies in so-called gangs was on the rise, Villanueva denied that such groups existed. Last year, he sent a cease-and-desist letter to the Board of Supervisors, demanding that they stop using the phrase “deputy gangs,” to describe the secretive groups. He described it as “willful defamation” and said the groups did not meet the legal definition of a gang.

“Using this term as a blanket statement, is political cowardice and opportunistic pandering,” he wrote. It would serve “no purpose other than to fuel hatred and increase the probability of assault and negative confrontations against our people.”

Even though he denied their existence, at times Villanueva also took credit for addressing the “gang” problem and said he had a “zero tolerance” policy for misconduct by such groups.

Weeks after he unseated Villanueva in the November elections, now-Sheriff Robert Luna signaled his intent to handle the groups differently — starting by acknowledging their presence.

“You cannot ignore that there is a problem,” Luna told The Times. “It is very well-documented. I have talked to multiple employees who say this stuff does exist.”

And while his predecessor defied supboenas from the Sheriff Civilian Oversight Commission to testify about the groups, Luna said he planned to be fully transparent and even consider whether to invite the Department of Justice or the FBI to come investigate.


History on sheriff gangs for reference


Only a couple of paragraphs copied though cos it's much longer and less likely to fit post limits

Los Banditos
East LA Station has been a notorious LASD gang hub for decades, but not every deputy is welcome.

Cerise Castle

Apr 01, 2021 - 13 min read
East LA Station has been a notorious LASD gang hub for decades, but not every deputy is welcome.

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Part of A Tradition of Violence, an extensive investigation into more than five decades of abuse, terror, and murder carried out by gangs within the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

Content Warning: This series explicitly details acts of violence (including murder) carried out by law enforcement officials. Please exercise self-care and check in with yourself before choosing to read.

There are at least 24 gangs within the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. Officials at various government agencies, including the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, the Los Angeles County District Attorney, the California Senate Senate Subcommittee on Police Officer Conduct, and the United States Commission on Civil Rights have heard testimony on the violence inflicted on communities at the hands of deputy gangs for decades. Deputy gangs have killed at least 40 people, all of whom were men of color. At least 10 of them had a mental illness. Los Angeles County keeps a list of lawsuits related to the deputy gangs. Litigation related to these cases has cost the County just over $100 million over the past 30 years.

Under section 186.22 of the California Penal Code a criminal gang is described as any organization or group of three (3) or more people that
1. has a common name or identifying sign or symbol,
2. has, as one of its primary activities, the commission of one of a long list of California criminal offenses, and
3. whose members have engaged in a "pattern of criminal gang activity" … either alone or together.

Sheriff's gangs fit the description.

Despite requests, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department did not provide comment to Knock LA for the series.

Deputy gangs have a significant impact on the operation of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and East Los Angeles Station is the clearest example. Over the past 30 years, litigation related to deputy gangs at the East LA Station has cost taxpayers more than $36 million. The Fort Apache insignia, which depicts a riot helmet and a boot with the words “Low profile” and “siempre una patada en los pantalones” or “always a swift kick in the pants,” was created at the station during the Chicano Moratorium, when deputies brutalized hundreds of people gathered to protest the Vietnam War. Those tactics were immortalized in a mural of the logo in the East LA Station floor. The station has been home to several deputy gangs, including the Little Devils, Cavemen, and the newest addition, the Banditos.

The Banditos consist primarily of Latinx LASD personnel, and allegedly do not allow women to become full-fledged members. Members have a common tattoo on their legs of a skeleton with a bushy mustache wearing a sombrero and bandolier holding a pistol, all of which are sequentially numbered. Members have gang nicknames and use slang like “ese” and “homes” when speaking with each other. One deputy alleges in a complaint against the County that activities like fundraisers, training parties, and staff barbecues at the East LA station must be “roundtabled” by the Banditos. The gang also established a culture at the station where deputies “work backwards,” meaning they arrest civilians then later come up with probable cause by planting and manufacturing evidence.

Current leaders include Rafael “Rene” Munoz AKA Big Listo, Gregory “G-Rod” Rodriguez, David “Silver” Silverio, Michael “Bam Bam” Hernandez, Silvano “Cholo” Garcia, Vincent Moran, and Raymond Mendoza, who call themselves shot callers. Banditos meetings are held at the home of Deputy Noel “Crook” Lopez. The group embraces the tradition of violence passed down by the gangs that came before them and turns on anyone who questions them.

The Fort Apache logo remained in the central hallway of the East LA Sheriff’s Station until Fall 2018. The tiled insignia was covered with carpet for two years prior. (Photo courtesy of LAist)

Meet the “Godfather of East LA”

Guadalupe Lopez started her career at LASD in 2003. She was assigned to the Los Angeles County Jail until transferring to the East LA Station in 2011 where she began training to become a patrol officer, according to court documents. She began training with Field Training Officer Eric Valdez, who deputies called the “Godfather of East LA.”

During her first two weeks of training, Valdez assigned Lopez to work a shift with Deputy Christopher Wargo, who was a prospect or “puppy” of the Banditos. On that shift Lopez saw Wargo “purchase reports,” meaning that Wargo would write arrest reports for other deputies as part of initiation into the gang. When she asked Wargo what was going on, she was told that she was a trainee and to mind her business. Lopez states in her complaint that around this time, she became the subject of sexual harassment by male deputies. Many of those men were also members of the Banditos. Deputy Joshua Smilor, a Banditos associate, told her that she needed to call Valdez “Daddy,” and that she needed to “submit” to the program of his “kids.” Deputy Ortega informed her that there were were explicit photos of other women in the department having oral sex with Banditos members working as training officers.


(To be continued in source article)
 

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And? Presidents get tons of casual death threats all the time. You think Clinton, Bush, and Obama never got a death threat during their presidencies?

Again, there's a difference between talking and action. Did the guy in that news story take any action? Did he drive to Trump's house with weapons and attempt to carry out an attack? No, because what you're doing is called false equivalence.

On January 6th people DID actively break into the capital, and they DID actively attack capital police and security, they DID actively attempt to attack members of congress. They took action, they didn't just make threats.
You don't post anything negative about democrats so...

The man was charged, that's not just a casual threat. Who got charged with threatening to kill Mike Pence?
 

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You don't post anything negative about democrats so...
Maybe you don't pay attention but I do talk shit about democrats when it's warranted.

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I just happen to think that since the last election they've done about as good a job as can reasonably be expected given coming to power in the middle of the pandemic, and the state of the rest of the world.

Yes, inflation is a major issue that they haven't fixed. Inflation hit the rest of the world as well, and the US recovered faster than pretty much every other western country. Housing is a major issue, but it's a major issue everywhere in the world right now. Poor infrastructure is a major issue, and Biden's put money into improving it. Student debt is a major issue, and Biden attempted to alleviate it and was blocked by the courts. Illegal immigration is a major issue and the Republicans are refusing to vote to do anything about it because it gives them a platform to run on.

Most of the country's problems can't be solved without some kind of bipartisanship, and the Republicans tend to be the ones sinking any attempts at it right now. There's frankly just a lot more negative shit to say about the Republicans right now than the Democrats. MAGA made them go completely crazy to the point where any reasonable person on the Republican side is afraid to get ousted from the party like Liz Cheney was.

The man was charged, that's not just a casual threat. Who got charged with threatening to kill Mike Pence?
That's a rather silly goal post, given that I didn't say that his threat wasn't serious, I said he hadn't made any action to actually carry it out.

As far as I know there's like 700 people who have been convicted so far with actions on January 6th, many for violent crimes including assaulting police officers with weapons. You can read about each of the sentences here (it's a year old article so not up to date): https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075

Only 2 people are listed as having been convicted specifically for making threats and nothing else, but not all of the sentencing info and charges are provided in this article and as far as I can tell they aren't reporting on misdemeanors.
 
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