US 2024 Presidential Election

[Agema]

ProPublica has posted some leaked training videos from Project 2025 which are intended to train the next conservative administration's political appointees “to be ready on day one.”

Of course, Trump claimed he didn't know anything about Project 2025 and its creators, so it's notable the leaked videos are from the alleged hacking of his campaign. We already know he's dishonest and incompetent: it's merely a question of whether this instance is more dishonesty or incompetence.

 

[BrawlMan]

Of course, Trump claimed he didn't know anything about Project 2025 and its creators, so it's notable the leaked videos are from the alleged hacking of his campaign. We already know he's dishonest and incompetent: it's merely a question of whether this instance is more dishonesty or incompetence.

And of course you have conspiracy YouTube videos either taking thing and running with it. Either trying to shift blame on to being the Democrats fault, or make it say as if Trump had no involvement or completely unaware on what he signing off on. The man knows, he just doesn't care. Also, even if Trump is unaware of the consequences, which I highly doubt, that doesn't make it better like many of these conspiracy videos/alt-right supporters make it out to be.

 

[BrawlMan]

Oh look, the murdering biatch is once again trying to please bitchy daddy Trump, after claiming "No take backs!". Of course, there's some infighting going on with other Trump supporters not being happy with Biatchhouse.

Kyle Rittenhouse u-turns after saying he won't vote Trump

The 21-year-old says he changed his mind hours after vowing not to support Trump due to his guns stance.

www.bbc.com

 

[tippy2k2]

Oh look, the murdering biatch is once again trying to pleasw bitchy daddy Trump, after claiming "No take backs!". Of course, there's some infighting going on other Trump supporters not being happy with Biatchhouse.

Kyle Rittenhouse u-turns after saying he won't vote Trump

The 21-year-old says he changed his mind hours after vowing not to support Trump due to his guns stance.

www.bbc.com

Kyle is still young. He forgets Grifter 101; Fall the Fuck in Line or you'll be devoured. You don't get to have your own independent thoughts if you wish to have a Grift.

 

[BrawlMan]

Kyle is still young. He forgets Grifter 101; Fall the Fuck in Line or you'll be devoured. You don't get to have your own independent thoughts if you wish to have a Grift.

Strange and ironic, those same people will say fall line will, yet happily ignore the "line" when declaring themselves the exception(s), or somebody they give a rat's ass about in their own little sub-club within the club.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I still have to hear an argument as to why Republicans following the exact same playbook at Putin or Orban would magically lead to a different outcome. What have the the Republicans done to deserve such trust? I prefer to call it pattern recognition, but when reading the rest of your post the whole rabbit hole accusation becomes really funny.

Comparing the republicans or Trump to Putin is like calling them Hitler, such hyperbole makes any debate rather impossible because it's clear nothing with change your mind on that. I really don't get how anyone is feels the republicans are the equivalent to demons and democrats are like angels, they are both about the same.

From Dirty Hipsters post in spoiler tag here, what makes you trust the democrats?

Spoiler

The Democratic and Republican parties of 100 years ago were both more progressive than the modern Democratic and Republican parties, if you ignore identity politics.

Here's the party platforms for the Democrats and the Republicans in 1932.

Both parties were in favor of reducing government expenditure and balancing the budget of the government. In 2024 the Republicans have pretty much abandoned any kind of fiscal oversight, and debt massively ballooned under Trump's presidency. https://www.aier.org/article/theres-nothing-conservative-about-deficits-and-debt/

Both parties were in favor of expanding unemployment relief. In 2024 the Republican party wants a reduction in unemployment benefits, and generally a reduction in "entitlements."

Both parties wanted greater supervision over the banking system and investment banking. In 2024 Trump is promising more deregulation for investors, and reduced oversight for things like cryptocurrencies. Project 2025 wants to get rid of the federal trade commission.

Both parties were in favor of greater anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws to prevent unfair trade practices. In 2024 both parties have substantially failed at curtailing monopolies, and the Republicans want to further reduce corporate taxes.

Both parties were in favor of greater international cooperation. The 2024 Republican party under Trump is anti-NATO and Trump has stated multiple times that he doesn't want to guarantee protection for our allies.

Both parties were in favor of greater home ownership and thought that it was up to the government to assist home buyers with home loans. These days huge amounts of single family homes are being bought by investment companies and both the Republican and Democratic governments have failed to intervene. You will spend your whole life renting, you will own nothing and you will be happy with it.

Both parties were in favor of farming coops. Now basically all farming in the US is done by massive corporations, and coops are seen as something for hippies and socialists.

Both parties were in favor of higher wages, a shorter working week, and a shorter work day. Republicans these days would think that's socialism, they vote against increasing the federal minimum wage, and they work to remove worker protections. Project 2025 wants to reduce access to things like overtime pay, get rid of health and safety protections for workers, and outlaw public sector unions.

Both parties wanted greater regulation of interstate public utilities. The Republican party now stands for deregulation.

Please tell me more about how much more progressive the country has gotten.

The country has gotten more progressive on things like race, gay rights, etc. But if you take away identity politics the country has regressed in much of its economic policy, worker protections, banking and investment regulations and a whole host of other issues. We used to have much higher taxes on the rich, much higher corporate taxes, and everyone was in favor of more banking regulations, investment regulations, anti-monopoly, and anti-trust laws.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I get it. And this is me putting my partisan hat back on, but to me Harris and the Democrats aren't it.

I've been clear about my personal history with the party in this thread. Atop that, you have the fact this is the party which decided the necessary and appropriate response to the definitive civil rights issue of our time was to stage a ridiculous photo op kneeling in kente cloth for nine minutes, while simultaneously (violently) pushing back against every individual policy proposal put forth by BLM activists...and if that wasn't enough, increasing cop funding and expanding police powers especially after January 6th. That was a Sister Souljah moment of a scale heretofore unimaginable in American electoral politics, and to me personally so far beyond the red line I can no longer justify to myself even the pretense of Democratic support.

The party is the rote definition of the white moderate. I just don't have the energy in me any more to pretend otherwise.

Until these Dixiecrats are rode out on a rail back to the Republican party where they belong, there's not a Democrat on the face of the planet who'll get my vote as in my experience they're all complicit in a corrupt party system for personal gain. It's beyond clear to me at this point participation does nothing more than legitimize it, and I can no longer stomach it. To me the only solution is just to walk away, leave the Democratic party to its fate, and engage in direction action while supporting third-party challenges from the left until the party comes to its senses -- if it ever will at this point, and given what I know of the party I doubt they ever will. They got theirs, and fuck the rest of us.

If people want to call that purity testing and absolutism, I'll gladly own that label -- and wonder how and why others in the year 2024 after the shit we've seen don't. If they're not substantially pushing policy proposals meaningfully distinct from Trump's, and following through on those proposals, there's no purpose to wasting my time voting for them. The Biden administration was a masterclass in bad faith (as I said it would be in 2020), given how many of Trump's most egregious policies weren't just continued, but instead doubled down upon while pressing to manufacture consent for them among the very people who profess opposition.

You made the mistake of actually trying to have a conversation with Brawlman.

Oh look, the murdering biatch is once again trying to please bitchy daddy Trump, after claiming "No take backs!". Of course, there's some infighting going on with other Trump supporters not being happy with Biatchhouse.

Kyle Rittenhouse u-turns after saying he won't vote Trump

The 21-year-old says he changed his mind hours after vowing not to support Trump due to his guns stance.

www.bbc.com

He literally didn't murder anyone...

 

[Hades]

Comparing the republicans or Trump to Putin is like calling them Hitler, such hyperbole makes any debate rather impossible because it's clear nothing with change your mind on that.

Style of politics are style of politics regardless of whether its leading politician is waging a war or not. But if that's such a dealbreaker you're welcome to compare him to Orban or Erdogan. Different names same result.

I really don't get how anyone is feels the republicans are the equivalent to demons and democrats are like angels, they are both about the same

I mostly think you're under a misconception. Because its not about the Democrats. Its never been. Its about the alternative being so much worse.

 

[Hades]

Things seem to be going decently-ish for the Democrats for now, but I still think an escalation the Palestine conflict is going to give the Republicans a leg up. An engineered escalation that is. Both Bibi and Iran have reasons to crave a Trump presidency. Bibi wants his blank check unhindered by even the performative criticism of the Democrats. Pro Palastine protesters can claim the parties are exactly the same but Bibi sure doesn't agree with them. And for Iran its beneficial if its ''great Satan'' gets pushed into decline, something a president already ranked among the worst ones ever has a far better chance to achieve for them.

 

[BrawlMan]

Harris tops Trump by 9 points among young voters in new survey

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Harris tops Trump by 9 points among young voters in new survey

So Trump gained 14 points?

Joe Biden Crushing Donald Trump by 23 Points Among Younger Voters

Young voters are overwhelmingly backing President Joe Biden ahead of the 2024 election, according to a new poll. The CBS News/YouGov survey found former president Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, had a narrow lead over Biden among likely voters, 50 percent to 49 percent...

cssh.northeastern.edu

 

[Trunkage]

Of course, Trump claimed he didn't know anything about Project 2025 and its creators, so it's notable the leaked videos are from the alleged hacking of his campaign. We already know he's dishonest and incompetent: it's merely a question of whether this instance is more dishonesty or incompetence.

It's really strange because some of It's creators were in his administration. It's Mueller report levels of 'I didn't ask them to do crimes'

 

[Agema]

It's really strange because some of It's creators were in his administration. It's Mueller report levels of 'I didn't ask them to do crimes'

It's not that strange. Firstly, he routinely lies about what and who he knows.

Secondly, it's also reasonable to believe he doesn't really know. He doesn't care about Project 2025. Trump doesn't want to be president because he has any interest in policy or the workings of government, he wants to be president for his own prestige and self-gratification. It's entirely possible that numerous offficials have sat down with Trump and discussed Project 2025 plans with him, and Trump has simply not been paying any attention because there's been nothing he could readily grasp as benefitting himself.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I mostly think you're under a misconception. Because its not about the Democrats. Its never been. Its about the alternative being so much worse.

Did you not read the Dirty Hipsters post I spoilered? Both parties are pretty bad and it's rather arguable who's worse. If the republicans are so much worse why are people fleeing blue states and going to red states? Tim Walz's Minnesota for example is on the list of states people are fleeing along with Kamala Harris' California.

The Top States People are Moving to and from in 2024

See the most popular states people are moving to and from in recent years, and the trends that motivate people to relocate.

www.montway.com

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Did you not read the Dirty Hipsters post I spoilered? Both parties are pretty bad and it's rather arguable who's worse. If the republicans are so much worse why are people fleeing blue states and going to red states? Tim Walz's Minnesota for example is on the list of states people are fleeing along with Kamala Harris' California.

The Top States People are Moving to and from in 2024

See the most popular states people are moving to and from in recent years, and the trends that motivate people to relocate.

www.montway.com

If you read my post and came away with the opinion "Both parties are pretty bad and it's rather arguable who's worse" then you clearly didn't understand the post. Both parties are pretty bad, but the Republicans are very clearly worse (or at the very least much worse about hiding how bad they are).

And people are leaving blue states to move to red states because of cost of living...and then regretting it. There was a whole wave of people who moved from California to Texas during the pandemic that regret it and are miserable.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/texas-relocation-regrets-19523437.php

Why Many Regret Moving to Texas Post-Pandemic

Everything's bigger in Texas -- including housing woes.

www.gobankingrates.com

Why do Californians REGRET Moving to Texas? — Living in Dallas Fort Worth

Why Californians REGRET Moving to Dallas Texas 5 BIG Reasons! So with all the migration into Dallas Texas over the past years, and at the time a major exodus out of California. What have all the Californians had to say about their move to the Great State of Texas? In this video, we have narrowed

www.socialagentgroup.com

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-you-regret-moving-from-California-to-Texas

 

[tippy2k2]

Did you not read the Dirty Hipsters post I spoilered? Both parties are pretty bad and it's rather arguable who's worse. If the republicans are so much worse why are people fleeing blue states and going to red states? Tim Walz's Minnesota for example is on the list of states people are fleeing along with Kamala Harris' California.

The Top States People are Moving to and from in 2024

See the most popular states people are moving to and from in recent years, and the trends that motivate people to relocate.

www.montway.com

Minnesota is also one of the happiest states in the union

People who are leaving are generally unhappy with how high our taxes are but those taxes pay for a LOT of the reasons why this state is so high on the happiness chart. I'd much rather pay more in taxes and live in Minnesota rather than pay low taxes and have no support structure or programs. You get what you pay for and if people want to cheap out and move somewhere else, more power to them but there is a lot they're gonna lose doing that...

 

[BrawlMan]

Never Trumpers


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King biatch is sweating like and the sow he is.

Donald Trump, Who Is Definitely Not Melting Down Over Kamala Harris’s Popularity, Demands His Opponent Be “Disqualified” From the Election

The ex-president falsely and insanely claimed Sunday that Harris had used artificial intelligence to “fake” her crowd sizes.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[Piscian]

ProPublica has posted some leaked training videos from Project 2025 which are intended to train the next conservative administration's political appointees “to be ready on day one.”

"Project 2025 has nothing to do with our campaign. Especially not all the Project 2025 political appointment training videos that were found on our servers"

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

"Project 2025 has nothing to do with our campaign. Especially not all the Project 2025 political appointment training videos that were found on our servers"

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?"

 

[BrawlMan]

The cruel and hilarious irony.

Trump’s Latest Attack on Kamala’s V.P. Pick Hilariously Backfires

Did Donald Trump just say he shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

newrepublic.com

Trump’s Latest Attack on Kamala’s V.P. Pick Hilariously Backfires
Did Donald Trump just say he shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

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Donald Trump’s campaign is taking aim at Minnesota Governor Tim Walz for backing a policy that gives convicted felons the right to vote, conveniently forgetting that their candidate is also a convicted felon.
Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt released a statement Tuesday decrying Vice President Kamala Harris’s selection of “Radical Leftist Tim Walz” as her running mate.
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Leavitt criticized Walz for “embracing policies to allow convicted felons to vote,” as part of his obsession “with spreading California’s dangerously liberal agenda far and wide.”
As Minnesota governor, Walz signed a bill in June 2023 restoring the right to vote to more than 50,000 Minnesotans on parole, probation, or community release due to a felony conviction.
Despite Leavitt’s griping, Trump himself is the beneficiary of a policy allowing convicted felons to vote.
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Trump is currently still eligible to vote in Florida, where he is registered, because Florida election law says that he has that right so long as he is able to vote in the state where he was convicted. In New York state, a person is only disenfranchised while incarcerated, so unless Trump is sentenced to prison in his New York hush-money trial, he can still vote, according to the Brennan Center for Justice.
In an astounding feat of doublethink, Team Trump seems to want voters to be angry that convicted felons can vote, while simultaneously hoping that they’ll vote for a convicted felon—and that said convicted felon can vote for himself come November.