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Not a zionist, but also not stupid. You want to see a genocide, look at Rwanda, those are genocide numbers. Gaza conflict has been stuck around 30-40k for like a year. You could easily argue its a war crime, but only an idiot would think its a genocide, so far.
You know, I was partially joking about the paying attention only every four years thing but if you honestly believe the count has just stayed at 30-40K after a year of turning Gaza into a parking lot, I might have been spot on with my assessment.
 

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40k is the people they have counted with their very diminished capacity to count, you have another 100k at least buried under the debris of the 80% of buildings that have sustained damage in gaza, and maybe another 100k who died to preventable things like hunger or curable illness. It's insane what's going on over there.
 

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Incrementalism is when you grade your war crimes so you don't feel bad.
It doesn't matter if it's a genocide or war crimes. If you're killing and starving kids it's wrong. And if you do it on our watch we should kick your ass. This is simple stuff. We get it when they kill Peanut the squirrel so it shouldn't be so difficult lol.
As long as Team Blue is doing it, they get to do just a bit of genocide, as a lil treat.
 
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Guys guys, can't we all just get along and band together to agree that we need to start beating nazis in the face with socks full of bolts?
Surely that's something we can come together on?

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I made it 5 days without alcohol as a crutch to hide the the crushing existential despair at the state of the world's insanity that is with me at all times.
That still counts for something right?
 

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Guys guys, can't we all just get along and band together to agree that we need to start beating nazis in the face with socks full of bolts?
Surely that's something we can come together on?

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I made it 5 days without alcohol as a crutch to hide the the crushing existential despair at the state of the world's insanity that is with me at all times.
That still counts for something right?
Sure, but I don't have a time machine to go back to the 30s and 40s when there were actual nazis around, so I guess...play wolfenstein or something?
 

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You know what, sorry, I'm more used to the "how is Stein going to win" question, that's my bad.
It's all right, I also shoulder a bit of that for the curt question (it originally had the second post in it but I couldn't find a way to word it that I liked that didn't sound like a dick). And I apologize for doing it again in advance because:
So it's not like people are clamoring for Trump's ideas, he should be very careful about that whole "will of the people" line.
Why?

This whole point is moot, because it requires Trump to come to the conclusion that he lost in 2020 due to his unpopular decisions, and given everything he has said since literally the night of his loss back then, seems like he hasn't. The only thing he seems to have taken away is that he was cheated out of what was always rightfully his. Which leads to;
Electoral defeats, starting at the midterms.
Which is silly, both because of your earlier "voting is the lowest form of activism" comment (which, true), but also because the party knows this and is why a lot of their plans involve pulling up the ladder behind them. Right now, the County Recorder race for the 4th largest county in the entire US (Maricopa, Arizona which has also become a swing state of all things) is currently looking set to elect an election denier to control how our elections are ran, and has such gems as voter purges, limiting our early voting program, limiting voting to precincts capped at 1,000 (4.4mil pop in the county FYI) and removing electronic tabulation altogether for straight up hand counting ballots (for the vote tallying that people already piss and moan about taking too long and again, 4.4mil).
 
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What’s with the extreme attitude? Did I not mention the importance of bc, as if that isn’t also a choice would-be mothers can make proactively? Or how about emergency contraception/morning after/rape kits for trauma survivors? That’s what hospitals are there for. If the sanctity of an innocent life means nothing to you simply because it wasn’t born yet, then that’s your choice. But again -



Just like any one of his patients has a choice, it’s your choice not to bother listening to this guy’s thoughts on the subject, while clearly having more experience with it than most any other guy ever would. When you can hear a heartbeat at 8-10 weeks, grabbing/sucking pieces of a kid out of a womb until there’s nothing left…no amount of posturing can spin that as anything but barbaric, let alone inhumane. Call me crazy or tell me to fuck off all you want if I find it difficult to rest well with my conscience. As a human being I’d imagine it at the very least to be the same for any woman and their unborn kid who’ve gone through the experience, however casual or dire the circumstances might’ve been.
"Barbaric" and "sanctity", really?

Yeah, fuck off!
 

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It's all right, I also shoulder a bit of that for the curt question (it originally had the second post in it but I couldn't find a way to word it that I liked that didn't sound like a dick). And I apologize for doing it again in advance because:

Why?

This whole point is moot, because it requires Trump to come to the conclusion that he lost in 2020 due to his unpopular decisions, and given everything he has said since literally the night of his loss back then, seems like he hasn't. The only thing he seems to have taken away is that he was cheated out of what was always rightfully his. Which leads to;
I feel I'm being taken far more literal than I mean to. I mean yeah, Trump doesn't learn or grow, or think. It's not a genuine warning or anything to him, it's just a statement of his precarious position (electorally).

Which is silly, both because of your earlier "voting is the lowest form of activism" comment (which, true), but also because the party knows this and is why a lot of their plans involve pulling up the ladder behind them. Right now, the County Recorder race for the 4th largest county in the entire US (Maricopa, Arizona which has also become a swing state of all things) is currently looking set to elect an election denier to control how our elections are ran, and has such gems as voter purges, limiting our early voting program, limiting voting to precincts capped at 1,000 (4.4mil pop in the county FYI) and removing electronic tabulation altogether for straight up hand counting ballots (for the vote tallying that people already piss and moan about taking too long and again, 4.4mil).
This is admittedly the big question of course, how much voting will matter at all later. I do get that concern, but it's also something that wasn't going to be stopped by voting Harris. Even in the stage of electorialism, that's handled at the local level, as your example. But beyond that it's the proper chestnuts of agitation and direct opposition. Like, what was Kamala going to do to stop any of this? Biden didn't, Merrick Garland didn't, and Kamala promised to continue those policies. There could be radical action from the top to put this sort of nonsense to bed, Lula did it in Brazil, but that needed to happen 4 years ago, we're way too late for that now.
 
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Gaza conflict has been stuck around 30-40k for like a year
turns out that when your capacity to keep track of the dead is destroyed and you're being starved and killed, regaining the capacity to count the dead is not the highest priority. Who knew?
 
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Guys guys, can't we all just get along and band together to agree that we need to start beating nazis in the face with socks full of bolts?
Surely that's something we can come together on?
Fucking hell, this.

Yeah, Trump won. Doesn't matter if it was due to the Democrat leaders being evil, or lefty voters not voting. I mean it does, but nothing we here can do about it now.

Though, I will post Johnathan Pie:

 

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I can't believe I missed this when it happened, this explains a lot. And why would you ever look to UK Labour for how to run a campaign?
they managed to get a vacuous shell like Keir Starmer to be the Prime Minister, so it seems like a perfect match for the Harris campaign.
 
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they managed to get a vacuous shell like Keir Starmer to be the Prime Minister, so it seems like a perfect match for the Harris campaign.
The patient strategy of "let your opponent make more mistakes than you". It's in Art of War somewhere I think.
 

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These next 4 years is going to be 'head in the sand' mode for me, and I'm guessing for A LOT of people. This whole destabilization of people's lives and increase in criminalizing marginilized communities I'm sure will help in gathering more support in protesting the palestinian genocide. I'm sure everyone who feels comfortable in Emperor Trump's America will be keen to stand up for the lives of muslims overseas. Now that the world has shifted on its axis toward facsism, I'm sure all those critical eyes that were previous on Gaza will stay there.
 
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I feel I'm being taken far more literal than I mean to.
My bad, sorry about that, sincerely. Like, man, I'm not mad(a little peeved maybe... ) or trying to belittle you or your stance. It's just that my anxiety wracked brain is just sitting here trying to parse how to come to your side of laissez-faire attitude to all this, with
it's just a statement of his precarious position (electorally)
or even,
Yeah, centrists don't do well here it seems.
Because if you think the centrists aren't doing well, then what the fuck is going on with the left? (*This post has taken so long to shape that I realize that this may again have been taken too literally and you probably just mean 'here' as in the forums and I apologize in advance if that has happened again*) @tippy2k2 has rightfully pointed out that even if you took out all of Stein's votes that they wouldn't make the deficit between Harris and Trump, and this is true because

My God, Stein is looking to pull in less than 1 million votes nationwide. She's is in the dregs alongside the Libertarian party, whom I did not even know was a party on the ballot. Fucking Kari Lake has almost twice the amount of votes as the supposed left wing voice of America, in a single race that (knock on wood because I don't trust much else these days) she is going to lose, and she is a fucking loon (and will probably end up everyone's problem anyway when Trump puts her somewhere in his govt. for licking his taint for years). Because,
Even in the stage of electorialism, that's handled at the local level, as your example.
I know this, and this is what worries me, because speaking of local, while we managed to pass our signature based ballot proposition to put abortion rights in our state constitution, we also had to beat off no less than goddamn three different other propositions that would have made such measures both harder to pull off and easier to tie up and kill, including removing term limits and our ability to vote whether to retain judges in our state judiciary (such as the two State Supreme Court justices on this very ballot(and fucking won their retention votes no less!) who allowed a law from before our state even had a constitution, hell much less 'a state' (160 years old!), dictate modern law, what a wild fucking coincidence).

Worse still, not only have we elected one of Joe fucking Arpiao's old deputies to county sheriff (of again, the 4th largest county in the US), we also seem to be passing a proposition similar to our fucking SB1070 fiasco, with the added nonsense of a Supreme Court likely to side with the idea of profiling any vaguely brown person as an illegal (with doubley nebulous passing of a another prop being passed forcing a max sentence of life for child trafficking, which can only go wrong I'm certain). And that's only here, and then I look out upon a sea of red for all of the main federal branches of government, and can only extrapolate that this is the norm across the board.

Like, you can't just blame this all on some sort of fucked tampering scheme specifically to screw over the Greens, but honestly, from my own cynical, paranoid view, I don't see how one can look at the how the powers that be play the two major parties to ensure the worst candidates that nonetheless tow the line end up in charge, and not think that they are using the Green Party as a bowling gutter to catch any wayward leftists and funnel their efforts off a fucking cliff. Or have this weird belief that this continual rightward momentum will somehow make it easier to come back in power down the line (from both Democrats and leftists).

EDIT: And I'm sorry if these walls of text seem like I'm arguing or anything, but this is flat-out a genuine cry to try and understand because I have spent over 10 years trying to find the left in this figurative and literal desert and found nothing. And I'm worried that people here have been privileged with being surrounded by people no more to the right than Democrats or like some of the posters here, but as someone who has had the distinct horror of watching the slide into actual fucking Nazism (and before anyone jumps in here at me, I mean full-on "the Nazis had the right idea because there is a secret cabal of Jews running this flat earth through the power of satanic blood magic" Nazis) up close, the stories pulled up and posted here in the forums about them are the equivalent of finding the corpses of smaller squids while the giant ones lurk further below, and the abyss is dark...
 
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I started cordial enough, until it became "me, me, me"
Not really. Initially all I said was that I was feeling depressed, & that it was partly because there's been an expression of hate towards queer people. That apparently warranted a flurry of insults and told-you-so's.
 
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