The LESSER EVIL schtick wasn't convincing before Democrats decided that adding Genocide to the definition of Lesser Evil was acceptable.
You talk about how I can call both sides evil because it won't affect me because I'm a straight white male (even with Trump saying people like me are traitors too) but you all do the same thing with voting Democrats. You're not Palestinian so you voting for The Pro-Genocide Party is fine because their evil won't affect you. You're willing to burn an entire country worth of people to the ground as long as you personally aren't affected by it.
So first off, yes, obviously the whole "just better than Trump" shtick is a lame horse that already lost 2016, no arguments there. I also didn't say that*. And I will say that you donating money to local causes is genuinely amazing, and I wish I had spare time/money to do the same. Good on you, truly.
But yes I
can say that, because as another straight white male with leftist views, I am in the same amount of danger as you, which is to say, not much (at the moment). Because for as much noise as conservatives make, the thought police don't actually exist yet, and so long as you can go without wearing a "Communism Is Great!" T-shirt or spontaneously shouting "Free Palestine!" while out walking, they aren't going to be able to pick you out of a crowd and go "He's a lefty, get him!", you know? Unlike anyone with skin darker than pasty white, holds hands with their SO, or even those who outwardly look like a woman, who have much easier to spot things that make it easier to persecute, you know?
Also, this whole "you don't care because it doesn't affect you" is
wild, because which one of us has been sitting in here loudly going on and on about how they're above the trolley problem because of they're voting preference? Because guess the fuck what, you have
just as much as responsibility to that lever as most of the people you're arguing with, because you're an American too! You share just as much anguish and fury that we will support Genocide and other cruel vicious acts just as you share the culpability for its continued existence, and that doesn't change because you cast a fucking ballot.
My God, your tone in this thread is less the demure tones of someone who donates their precious resources to help local causes and now will have to work harder, and more of a smug asshole taking a victory lap. For what, I could hardly begin to even imagine, because you literally cannot say that the Dems did terrible and the Greens
didn't, not without looking insane. You keep up this "haha, look at all you assholes who didn't learn anything, sucks to suck." like you aren't riding in this exact same car, flying off this exact same cliff. Like, if you want to hold the DNC's failures (of which you have already stared they don't learn from) as being the fault of people here (especially the non-Americans, Jesus), then do we get to hold you responsible for the Greens not being able to pick up 80 million votes?
Because guess what? I voted for the Pro-Genocide candidate. That is my shame and burden to bear as someone who does care about the Genocide (because empathy and the cruel destruction of a people indeed fills me with anguish too), because I'm also left with the disgusting but real blood calculus that, in an emergency situation,
you put your own oxygen mask on first. The only thing harder than saving one drowning person, is trying to save two. And no, I do no at all think that the DNC would somehow save us, far from it, it's just that, for those who sure seem to still believe in the power of democracy and civic power deep down, I feel like we could have at least tried bandaging the wound before moving right to the hacksaw. And yes, I know that this usually doesn't work, but it's either the Dems (which as above, usually doesn't work) or the Republicans (which
never works).
But, I don't have the luxury of being able to vote fully with my conscious, because it's not
just me out here. I have four sisters, and even my mom (who seems to be the prototypical conservative woman these days, right down to "God put me here to keep my husband's house and rear his kids") to also worry about, two of which are currently engaged to Latino men, whose status as EDIT: *American* citizens won't matter much when Arpaio's old deputy takes charge with express permission to harass anyone who looks "illegal". Hell, I'm barely keeping my own goddamn head above the rocky waves of depression, much less do more than cling to what little hope I have left that voting and democracy in general still work to try and stave off what seems like a forgone conclusion.
Please don't take any of this as an attack, or even arguing really. It's mainly just a plea for you to try and just, slow your roll for a moment. This holier than though attitude, and this whole persecuted martyr complex you have where you act like the only person burdened with empathy shtick is wearing thin, and causing all of us to bicker and waste time while these right wing cunts run away from us. Especially trying to pin wanting to burn this shit down out of lack of concern on others when you've already stated that you both think the US should probably burn/will burn anyway,
Then that is a party that is not worth voting for and if we can't stand up and say "Hey, GENOCIDE is a bad thing for us to do", then yeah, I'm not sure we as a country deserve to survive anymore.
It's already falling apart at the seams anyway so no matter what happens on November 6th, this place might burn anyway.
and then try and add fucking qualifiers to it
This might sound crazy but my definition of burning the system down is to help people by forcing politicians to work for the people rather than for big corporations and lining their own pockets. I know it's very unlikely that we'd get to the point of burning down the system that we'd actually dismantle Capitalism but that would be the ideal goal of burning down the system.
When Trump says he wants to "burn the system down", he's talking about burning everyone else around him while he gobbles up more power, influence, and money.
You either just plain don't read what I say or you have zero ability to understand what I actually say. I'm not sure which one would be worse...
*Like, if you get to sit here and try and draw distinctions around how your burning everything down is totally different than Trumps, than I get to draw one around the fact that "one evil being worse than another doesn't make one lesser or invalidate them altogether".
Edit: I will also point out, as a measure towards me not wanting to fight, that I do look like an abject clown coming into a thread already 2,000 posts deep and try and moderate, especially pretty much one side it seems, so my bad there.