Do you honestly think the Maga cult controlling the entire covernment is going to stop them from blaming everything on Democrates and the Left/socialism/communism? Seriously, what other strategy do they have?
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Naltrexone definitely does come in pill form - in fact I thought that was its main route of administration, although there are injectable slow release formulas as well. I have no idea what's going on there, but $60 a month seems a reasonable price (it's not the cheapest of drugs) and it works for you, so all good.
We're also talking about how prohibitive pricing affects people. Being unable to afford it is obviously that.
Once again: I have no respect for your amateur rambling. I will trust people with expertise and training over some rando on a forum, and over the insurers & pharma industry assholes who have a profit motive to overcharge or refuse treatment.
Sorry, to clarify the Naltrexone is in pill form. I was trying to say they are made in a compound pharmacy and turned into a pill there but I kind of fumbled my words there.
Bupropion/Naltrexone is a widely used weight loss medication, thus if possible I'd combine the two. A stimulant-based medication exists as well, though at least in Europe they approved it very recently. If your medication is put under your skin then it is some form of incretin analog (Ozempic, Victoza, Wegovy, Mounjaro...).
Willpower is a thing, sure, it means that you have to fight against your appetite. And thus people who stay thin without trying don't need that much willpower. Either somebody else makes their food or they don't live in our calorie-dense surroundings or they are satisfied with very little. The latter is the sort of person who you'll find complaining that it's tough to increase weight or that they sometimes lose weight because they forget to eat.
Willpower is a thing, sure, it means that you have to fight against your appetite. And thus people who stay thin without trying don't need that much willpower. Either somebody else makes their food or they don't live in our calorie-dense surroundings or they are satisfied with very little. The latter is the sort of person who you'll find complaining that it's tough to increase weight or that they sometimes lose weight because they forget to eat.
Funny enough, this is almost word for word the description my psychologist gave me when I talk with her about my diet and whatnot. That basically with my chronic pain and depression from said pain, losing treats isn't just losing something I like to eat. It's (almost literally) me choosing to cut out one of the few things that still make my happy receptors in my dum caveman brain fire off. So it's a battle of willpower of not only taking away a source of happiness but it is a battle of willpower of myself actively CHOOSING to take away a source of happiness, which is awfully easy to let slip when life is sadness and pain and you just want something to give you a pick me up, even if that something will only last a little while..."Willpower" isn't as simple as people make it out to be. I don't know your situation, but I know that my own "willpower" is getting over being alone and depressed, and having almost zero hope for my future, and in that situation cutting off one of few things that gives you some modicum of enjoyment is rather torturous to put it lightly. Also, your brain tends to be the devil on your shoulder, and it's pretty fucking hard to fight your own mind once it's gotten a taste for it.
Good luck though.
Honestly, I make it sound like I'm cutting fuqin Heroin out of my diet but depending on your own brain, it might literally be like cutting out Heroin from your diet (but every store you go to, they have aisles dedicated to Heroin and they have a bunch of heroin at the front trying to get you to buy some).
It would be nice if diet and exercise was nothing but willpower and a CAN DO ATTITUDE! but that's a kindergarten level of understanding when it comes to losing weight.
It's weird, because I have had a moment in my life where I could just "flip the switch" and I dropped 26 pounds, with very little issue. And now I'm again slowly climbing back up from being below 200 pounds. Even when I'm not enjoying snacking on anything much I'll still do it (or have the drive to do it) because my brain is like 'Okay, so you don't wanna get anything to snack? Well, I'm gonna be a the most annoying spin cycle in your skull till ya do.' Getting through the evenings (which is really when it hits for me) can be a fucking nightmare, like I'm locked up in a padded room. And then like magic that state completely evaporates when I put on a jacket and head for the supermarket.
The older I get the harder this shit becomes to get a grip on.
Dude, you literally said the following and that's simply not true.
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I provided a medical professional source that is probably in the top 1% of medical professionals; guy writes papers, writes books, speaks at other countries, does actual clinical work. You guys don't understand, you're not arguing against my opinion, you're arguing against an expert's opinion.
That was one estimate. Perhaps I presented it with too much certainty, I admit.
I'm not arguing against his estimate either. But that's all it is: an estimate. He explained how he got there, by dividing the total payment by the number of prescriptions, and it should be clear how that method is not fully reliable.
((I can't help but notice none of this addresses the post you were quoting, by the way. Nothing here about people being unable to afford treatment; nothing here about why we should trust your opinion on what medications people need over the medical professionals)).
You can choose to eat good foods when you get hungry instead of garbage foods. Literally the only snacks I have at my house are pistachios and cashews. I haven't ordered French fries in 2-3 years, I make sure to go to places that have an actual food option as a side so I can substitute the fries for actual food. I believe McDonalds and Burger King have no good side option (I haven't been in 2-3 years) whereas Wendy's at least has chili, Culvers has soups, Five Guys has peanuts, etc. I simply don't go to a place where it's basically impossible to eat actual food.
That's what I was talking about the whole time. I said if Novo Nordisk was actually making that much on ozempic, their profit margin would be much higher.
The video I linked is a top medical professional saying how doctors order tons of things that aren't needed and order stuff that just doesn't work. Also just watch Sarah Hallberg's video on diabetes, I only said what she said (you act like I just come up with stuff, nope got it from an expert). Was she not a medical professional (recently pasted away from cancer)?
And I was talking about how prohibitive pricing disadvantages people. Which includes people who can't afford it, the uninsured, the uncovered. So your effort to exclude them from the conversation won't fly.
So what? What relevance does any of this have?
I was never talking about that. I was talking about how much the actual drug cost and Novo Nordisk profit margin.
You keep saying I'm wrong about everything when I'm just saying what other medical professionals say and then saying you don't trust what some random on the internet says.
Yet you did make claim after claim about individuals' access to the drug. You obviously weren't merely talking about its cost to insurers. You keep making claims about individual need and access, and then pretending otherwise when it's convenient.
All of this stuff you're bringing up now, about doctors ordering stuff they don't need, is stuff we were never talking about and is completely irrelevant to our topic. I never said anything about it at all. Honestly I think you just lost focus on the topic again.
I was asking who's actually paying the price you claimed it cost and it's hardly anyone.
You said you'd rather have medical professionals deciding what people need than insurance companies, that's not always the case.
