Femboy is gay culture! It belongs to the gays and I will not tolerate straights appropriating it!
Weeb revolt over trap censorship
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Ah yes, belittling people. Is it working yet? Convinced many people?
Yeah see, someone mentioned it before but I had my qualms, good to see I was right.
Traps aren't by definition gay so call em all that term wouldn't be accurate.
Pfft, as if the people mad are convincable or even arguing about this in good faith.
The important thing is to just establish the boundaries and delineate what people are allowed to affect and what they shouldn't have the right to affect.
No, I'm saying the term "trap" in English and US context cannot be divorced from a near-constant state of threat of violence that has existed for trans/GNC individuals specifically and LGBTQIA+ individuals generally. The fact that you're trying to ignore the context is a sign you're missing the entire point of trying to stop the use of this transphobic use of the word.
That is irrelevant to the question of whether the term is acceptable and actually undermines use of the term to describe GNC characters in anime because the term "trap" implies trickery by its root definition. And, as noted earlier in this thread, the word doesn't originate within the original Japanese; it originates within the English anime culture, so even the "context" question doesn't actually make sense from a translation perspective. It's a slur that needs to be retired even if it was okay before.
"Proper context" should not be using to describe a persons outward gendered appearance, even a fictional one, because we don't have specific words that functionally limit themselves to fiction in that way. Generally the only words we use to describe things solely related to fiction are plot devices (ex. "McGuffin") because real life doesn't have plots in that manner. Beyond that, there isn't really a barrier between words that are used in fiction and used in real life, which is why trying to say "it's only used in anime" isn't really a compelling argument, especially when it originates in the English translations and is part of a larger culture of threat against trans and GNC individuals.
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Here's a novel idea: if someone asks you not to use a specific word in their presence or to describe them because it's hurtful, you have nothing to lose by acquiescing.
And before someone inevitably calls this censorship, do you curse like a sailor in front of other people's small children? Do you rant loudly in a library? If not, this is called reading the room and is a skill most social people eventually pick up.
And before someone inevitably calls this censorship, do you curse like a sailor in front of other people's small children? Do you rant loudly in a library? If not, this is called reading the room and is a skill most social people eventually pick up.
You're all offended! Get out of my courtroom!
None of these sources are credible. Therefore they do not qualify as evidence. That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. Your statements are non valid.
I do. You can post comments from a porn site and call it evidence, but if you want to know why no one here ever takes your arguments seriously, on an intellectual level, this is why.
Dreiko, what the fuck does that even mean? You’re saying fans of these traps are straight but like traps. So are the traps trans-women then? Or do they exist in some quasi-gendered state so that self-loathing weebs can like dicks and male presenting individuals but not have to deal with the shame of their own sexual inclinations?
Please, do not answer me. I refuse to comprehend this straight nonsense.
If it* looks like a girl, and if you're into girls, then it's not gay.
*by 'it' I mean the appearance of the person, I'm not calling the person an 'it'.
Ok so I think I see the issue.
The anime community is a worldwide community. If it centers any one country, that is Japan, but that is arguable. What isn't arguable is that it is not America-centric.
That being the case, one must act (read the room) with the understanding that the context they're participating in that community is one where fans of anime from all over the planet, ones with various cultures and backgrounds, are gathered together to express their fandom for this one very, very, very Japanese form of art and subculture. That being so, to try to impose on that diverse community the America-exclusive sociopolitical climate and try to govern it based on what is happening to this one segment of the fandom, is indeed tyrannical. It'd be like banning the soles of the feet of chars from being depicted because in some country (I believe Malaysia but do not quote me on this) it is lewd to show them so every time a char falls over and their feet stick up they get pixelated like its porn.
I do not participate in anime fandom with the baggage of the country I currently reside in because I come from another country and this context allows me to separate anime fandom (which was roughly identical to partake in in both places) and my current locale of residence. If a specialist anime culture term is not in Japanese, I translate it in Japanese in my head every time I read it so it'll make more accurate sense. Because of that, my understanding is more accurate of the actual intra-community nuances but may be missing the country-specific ones that are only really relevant outside of the actual anime fandom or when people participate into anime fandom wrongly by trying to make it be centered around the culture of the country they happen to be living in.
It also helps that I legit have never seen anyone non-jokingly use any sort of terms like that in real life. It's always people online who are trying to be funny or edgy. And if I'm online this all will be parsed through the anime culture lens and not the "american society" one.
And you can use anything to describe anything, even appearance. They don't need to be limited in fiction by some law, people just need to get them, if some outsider sees the term and misuses it, thinking they're being clever and found a new insult to belittle people they dislike, they're the true fool. For every person they make feel bad, they make themselves a fool out of it ten times more, even if they don't realize it. I like that sort of irony.
No I said the traps, not the fans of the traps, the anime character who is dressed like a girl but feels like a boy and for some funny reason expresses that by dressing like a girl, those, most of those aren't gay.
The fans, I explained already. Here:
Weeb revolt over trap censorship
Lily Hishikawa Hopefully excluded from the whole equation due to being a 12-year-old. Also after googling where Lily is from I... am not a better person for it.
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The last paragraph is about what you're asking.
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Yeah... that "constant threat of violence" I mentioned isn't limited to the US either, with countries approach to violence against trans and GNC individuals being anywhere from benign neglect to outright erasure. The focus on the US is because we're talking about an English word and the US anime community's place in setting up that environment.
What's more weird than anything is your defense of a slur that you've stated doesn't actually describe the circumstances and doesn't originate within the Japanese term that it was used in place of where a less-offensive term (though still imperfect) exists for you to use that is more descriptive and on point than the slur you insist on using: femboy. It describes their circumstances clearly without the baggage of the first, is already in widespread use for the most part to describe or self-identify individuals who identify as male but engage in feminine personality quirks and/or gendered clothing, and doesn't contain the deception elements that come with the slur.
Trans peeps are weebs too as a lot of us, myself included, used anime and the not-exactly small genderbending genre in particular as part of trying to understand our internal feelings about who we are. Hell, the majority of trans people I know are nerds of all stripes because between anime, RPGs, and other media, it was a place to express dysphoric feelings in a way where there was some support or at least minimal dismissal. There's even a popular webcomic about a transitioning and using elements of anime, con, and gaming culture to give a name to their feelings. When someone uses the term, or defends it's use, whether you intended it to or not, you're telling them they aren't part of your community as much as much as if you used other dated slurs that we already agree are no longer acceptable now (ex. "Negro," "Colored," "Oriental," "Wetback," etc.). This is part of a community's evolution and it's long overdue.
This post is 2.19% gay.
I sympathzie with my fellow degenerates in r/animemes, and despite their shitty memes, this upheaval gave us a beautiful, high-quality shitpost saga.BUT I CAN'T FIND IT BECAUSE THEY CLOSED THE DAMN SUB REEEEEE
If you have any information about it, this is a 2-part saga (could be 3 now) with a weeabo cheem duking it out with the mod cheem, all for his master astolfo-sama.
I sympathzie with my fellow degenerates in r/animemes, and despite their shitty memes, this upheaval gave us a beautiful, high-quality shitpost saga.BUT I CAN'T FIND IT BECAUSE THEY CLOSED THE DAMN SUB REEEEEE
If you have any information about it, this is a 2-part saga (could be 3 now) with a weeabo cheem duking it out with the mod cheem, all for his master astolfo-sama.
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