Current Systemic Issues in the Anime Industry and Community

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This, I was just having some fun with Disco Elysium skillquoting. I think the reason why I don't mind the fact cartoons and comics have overcome the need to use sex sells is because they are trying to prove you don't need it unlike with anime and manga.
I would say that comics does have sexy, but it's not the only thing it has
 

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You not understand this specific thing

He's pretty much saying you falling for the marketing ploy sex sells. Just put a bunch of tits on and you'd be happy. Your easily lead, at least in this area

Let's put it into a different context: Woke points out that pretty women getting less jail because they are pretty is a bad idea. If comics had they're way, pretty women would never see a court room.
I seriously hope you don't really think it's as simple as "see boobs, have interest in thing" because that's comically shallow and ignorant. It's just that boobs are not a bad thing, either. You are used to the view of such depictions being unseemly in some fashion due to prudishness culture so you are confusing people who aren't in that boat with people who are not analytical about things as much as you are and are just obeying their instincts like an animal. No man, there's a lot going on in anime titilation beyond "boobs be big yall" that you have to intellectually process to even get, stuff that people often overlook and need it explained to them, and even with all of that aside that's still just one of the aspects of a thing which needs to also have other things be interesting about it too before it becomes interesting as a whole.

And here's your different context; People with beauty privilege, especially female people, tend to grow up benefiting from that privilege and on average are much less likely to fall to crime because their life will offer them enough opportunities to not make crime necessary, so while there's no laws in the books that protect pretty women, society is structured in such a way that implicitly boosts their success at life and removes most of the reasons one would be driven to a life that would end up with them in jail. Do you know why pornstars, strippers and especially hookers are less hot than supermodels? Because if you're hot enough you don't need to do porn or be a stripper, people will pay you to walk around clothed. Same principle here.

How's that for a woke-prism analysis? Or does it not work that way if it's not a white man being privileged?

[Conceptionalization Legendary: Success]The comics and cartoons medium have successfully subverted the expectations of using sexual content to sell is an achievement of defying expectations of basic human psychology, some call this phenomenon "Woke". Most mainstream content now stopped relying on base human instincts to sell their stuff.
No the woke people are the racial and gender collectivist authoritarians who presume to tell other people whether their pastimes are moral or not when it is not their place, nobody cares, and nobody asked them to.

You can subvert expectations in various ways, there's no inherent benefit in subverting expectations of a sexual nature in particular.
 

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Aah, the rendition of Tatsumaki that's actually nice to look at, as opposed to the one that REALLY wants to show you every nook and cranny of 10-year old's body. Very apt for this thread.
Tatsumaki is apparently 28

But hey, we're already calling a 19 year old a 4, so why not just go hog wild with hyperbole! Age is just a number, after all.
 

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Tatsumaki is apparently 28

But hey, we're already calling a 19 year old a 4, so why not just go hog wild with hyperbole! Age is just a number, after all.
Yeah, but her body stopped growing/developing due to SCIENCE to give her her (god English is a dumb language sometimes) powers, so while technically yes she is 28, it's still a kid's body she is stuck in (see also that one episode of the Batman animated series with that one "child" actress).

Also @Casual Shinji, yeah, as much as I love the art of the manga/anime, this will always be the only design of Tatsumaki that I accept (honestly, I actually like ONE's original webcomic artstyle a lot. Sure it's rather rough but 1) I can't do any better and 2) you can actually see his skill as an artist increase as you go through the series).

EDIT: Can't spell
 

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Tatsumaki is apparently 28

But hey, we're already calling a 19 year old a 4, so why not just go hog wild with hyperbole! Age is just a number, after all.
Are we really doing this? The most cliche excuse for sexy children in anime? 'Well, actually she's 28.' Really?!

Dude, she's 10. She's drawn to look like she's 10 (in the Murata manga). She's not drawn to look like a 28-year old with stunted growth. If they wanted to make it look like she's around 28 but physically small they could've easily done so, but they explicitly wanted her to look like a lithe 10-year old girl with a dress that looks like it's painted on.
 

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Yeah, but her body stop growing/developing due to SCIENCE to give her her (god English is a dumb language sometimes) powers, so while technically yes she is 28, it's still a kid's body she is stuck in
Source? I've never heard of that, but I also haven't been following the manga/webcomic

Dude, she's 10.
Uh huh, and I'm elevendy-hundered, because I say so. If all you have is "because I say so", then I'm sorry, but you need to go.
 

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Source? I've never heard of that, but I also haven't been following the manga/webcomic
As part of the story, yeah it is found out that she was held captive by a group of evil scientists that experimented on her before she was rescued by the in-universe Superman character. Also:

So clearly people in universe see a child too (the original subtitles call her a sassy child, just in case you thought it was a translation thing)
 

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As part of the story, yeah it is found out that she was held captive by a group of evil scientists that experimented on her before she was rescued by the in-universe Superman character. Also:
Okay then.

And now we get to the philosophical dilemma, is it okay to be attracted to an adult who looks like a child? Haven't we already had real-life cases of adults who appear similar to children? Do they not deserve love? Would you doom them to a life of celibacy?
 

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Uh huh, and I'm elevendy-hundered, because I say so. If all you have is "because I say so", then I'm sorry, but you need to go.
No, not because I say so, because she's specifically designed to look like a sexy 10-year old. And you can try to spin this anyway you want with the actual age of this fictional character, but the fact is it's a 10-year old LOOKING girl that was drawn to look hot. And that wasn't done by accident, but very deliberately, because anime/manga has a weird obsession with very underaged LOOKING girls.
 

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Okay then.

And now we get to the philosophical dilemma, is it okay to be attracted to an adult who looks like a child? Haven't we already had real-life cases of adults who appear similar to children? Do they not deserve love? Would you doom them to a life of celibacy?
Well, that would be a dilemma, if we were talking about real people. As far as cartoons go, the question becomes, when blessed with the freedom of an open canvas and pen, why they choose to draw what looks like, for all intents and purposes, a small child with the equivalent of a sticky note slapped on them reading "don't worry, she legal -the writer"?

Also @Casual Shinji, holy shit, I just remembered something, wasn't it you who on the old forum brought up how OPM was the best interpretation of Superman? Cause I remember that comment actually got me interested enough in OPM to check it out.
 

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Well, that would be a dilemma, if we were talking about real people. As far as cartoons go, the question becomes, when blessed with the freedom of an open canvas and pen, why they choose to draw what looks like, for all intents and purposes, a small child with the equivalent of a sticky note slapped on them reading "don't worry, she legal -the writer"?
Who are we to question the artist's intent and inspirations? Perhaps he was inspired by an adult he knew in real life, who looked just like that. Perhaps he was inspired by a 10-year-old gymnast who dresses in leotards, and wanted to make her into a superhero? Should we ban gymnastics for everyone under the age of 18, maybe, so that people should not lay eyes on the young female form?

It's telling how nobody wants to answer this dilemma.
 
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Also @Casual Shinji, holy shit, I just remembered something, wasn't it you who on the old forum brought up how OPM was the best interpretation of Superman? Cause I remember that comment actually got me interested enough in OPM to check it out.
If it was, I was being too hyped, because I just started reading it, and it was just so new and interesting. There's just something explossive about a story that's kinda a joke, but at the same time really fucking epic. Japan - to throw an actual compliment out there - is generally really good it this. Prison School is another good example.
 
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Who are we to question the artist's intent and inspirations?
Well, as the one's consuming the art, we can. That's what makes it art, is that its more than just lines and color on a canvas, it's about how it makes you feel...okay, I know it sounds dumb and hippyish but, that's literally it. How you respond to it, what it makes you think about, if it stays with you...it's the whole thing really. And with that does, naturally, questions about the artist in relation to it, how they felt, why they did it, and what inspired them to. Take the Sistine Chapel for instance, some make look at Michelangelo's work as having been divine in nature, a way to bring God closer to man in the physical sense, while a more practical minded person may just see a well-paid commission done well, and both of them are right, as the key rule to remember is that art is always subjective. This is where the fun part comes in, because then this leads to discussion, from which maybe even new interpretations can be made (God imparted unto the church to commission him, as he knew he was the best man for the job oh god grandpa is rambling again...).

Should we ban gymnastics for everyone under the age of 18, maybe, so that people should not lay eyes on the young female form?
Well obviously not, that would be silly...however, turning them into purely private events with tickets only going to family members to keep out weirdos in trench coats? Sure.

EDIT: Dumb enough to misspell a historical church.
 

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Well, as the one's consuming the art, we can.
You can, but that doesn't mean you'd be correct. You can say that the artist is a pedophile, but that might not be true.

How you respond to it, what it makes you think about, if it stays with you...it's the whole thing really.
By all means, think deeply about that to your hearts content. That's different from casting aspersions on the author, though.
 

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Are we really doing this? The most cliche excuse for sexy children in anime? 'Well, actually she's 28.' Really?!

Dude, she's 10. She's drawn to look like she's 10 (in the Murata manga). She's not drawn to look like a 28-year old with stunted growth. If they wanted to make it look like she's around 28 but physically small they could've easily done so, but they explicitly wanted her to look like a lithe 10-year old girl with a dress that looks like it's painted on.
See they think it is like if they put 50 yr old boobs on a 4yr old brain, head and body then does that round up their age? Like the bigger the boobs are it adds age or something so if they make them REALLY BIG then that must add years to the rest of the body XD

Putting boobs on Dora the explorer somehow makes her old " 'nough" now. /s
 
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