Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Gordon_4

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Aren't there commissions and government agencies that investigate and check these machines before using them?

The Chavez story is 16 - 14 years old, I'd imagine that security upgrades and checks have been done over the past one and a half decade?
You would think so.
 

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Aren't there commissions and government agencies that investigate and check these machines before using them?
I would be surprised if that were the case.

The Chavez story is 16 - 14 years old, I'd imagine that security upgrades and checks have been done over the past one and a half decade?
Nobody knows, because these are pRiVaTe cOmPaNiEs that have proprietary secrets, so all we have to do is take them at their word.
 

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Oh man of the past, for who object permanence is just out of reach, fear not! We in the future have been able to see something and remember its existence for longer than one second after its gone from our senses. It was a difficult adjustment many of us made in our first year on this earth, so I have no doubt you can catch up in the next 6-10 months with proper diet and study.
If you had some memory capacity you might have noticed a phrase that goes thusly:

"There are no ties between Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic – plain and simple. No ownership ties, no software leasing, no business at all between them. In 2009, (that’s more than a decade ago) Smartmatic licensed scanning machines from Dominion for use in The Philippines for a Smartmatic election project. Our one contract with Dominion was short-lived and ended in a lawsuit. That was the first and last time that Smartmatic and Dominion tried to do business together."

The part many of us remember is the lawsuit part. And us with object permanence would think on such things, and mayhaps stumble upon this:

Because reading more than once sentence has been established to be beyond your capacity currently, I shall quote from the Facts statement directly:

" In October 2009, Dominion granted Smartmatic a worldwide (except for the United States and Canada) nonexclusive license to certain precinct count optical scan(―PCOS‖) voting systems that Dominion had developed (the ―License Agreement‖or the ―Agreement‖)."
 
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Oh man of the past, for who object permanence is just out of reach, fear not! We in the future have been able to see something and remember its existence for longer than one second after its gone from our senses. It was a difficult adjustment many of us made in our first year on this earth, so I have no doubt you can catch up in the next 6-10 months with proper diet and study.
If you had some memory capacity you might have noticed a phrase that goes thusly:

"There are no ties between Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic – plain and simple. No ownership ties, no software leasing, no business at all between them. In 2009, (that’s more than a decade ago) Smartmatic licensed scanning machines from Dominion for use in The Philippines for a Smartmatic election project. Our one contract with Dominion was short-lived and ended in a lawsuit. That was the first and last time that Smartmatic and Dominion tried to do business together."

The part many of us remember is the lawsuit part. And us with object permanence would think on such things, and mayhaps stumble upon this:

Because reading more than once sentence has been established to be beyond your capacity currently, I shall quote from the Facts statement directly:

" In October 2009, Dominion granted Smartmatic a worldwide (except for the United States and Canada) nonexclusive license to certain precinct count optical scan(―PCOS‖) voting systems that Dominion had developed (the ―License Agreement‖or the ―Agreement‖)."
None of that contradicts anything I said.
 

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Yes! Watch the video:
I did. It talked about 2006. 14 years ago. Also, they don’t use that company anymore. It’s totally different company that has a little dealing with Smartomatic

Other than Smartomatic purchasing some of Dominions software, are there any other ties to Venezuela?
 

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I did. It talked about 2006. 14 years ago. Also, they don’t use that company anymore. It’s totally different company that has a little dealing with Smartomatic

Other than Smartomatic purchasing some of Dominions software, are there any other ties to Venezuela?
Like I said:

Let's say I'm a programmer employed for a company. Let's say I write the code for the company's product.
Then that company gets acquired, sold, or split up. Do they throw out all the code I wrote and start over from scratch? Unlikely, as that would be a huge waste.

So while Smartmatic can say, on paper, that they have nothing to do with Dominion, it's very unlikely that Dominion's machines contain none of Smartmatic's code.
Also, watch this timestampped video from the Michigan House Oversight Committee for the history of Smartmatic and Dominion:

 

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There will be a decline in skills (or perhaps practical application, theory may be in a better state) and experience under any circumstance if they are not exercised. Arguably, in that sense, even low intensity conflict is preferable to none at all.
I'm also led to believe, that they are training more for the kinds of wars they've been fighting, rather than what they may fight in the future. Which is understandable, but a problem.

Apparently, "the US didn't learn from Vietnam" is a thing, in that they learned they can lose Vietnam and it's not a big deal, whereas if they lost a big European war in the 80s it might be a problem. So there was a move to forget all the jungle insurgency stuff and train for the Fulda Gap. Which makes sense.

I cannot say that with any surety though, not being an expert on such things.
 

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Plus the reports from White House insiders who say Trump is starting to feel embarrassed with how Giuliani is handling this. Its making his media empire and 2024 election look bad.
Trump is capable of embarrassment? I really doubt that.
 

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Giuliani (who I never heard of before all this) was characterized as "Good Neutral" in the meme before because he apparently tries to sell cigars while defending the State of the Union.


I found it funny.

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Look at CNN attacking Smartmatic and Chavez for rigging the election.
And now they're reversing their stance saying it's just a right-wing conspiracy.
The US media certainly has had a hopelessly unrealistic and hostile attitude to Latin American left-wing leaders: view Morales in the last couple of years to Chavez 15 years ago and see how little has changed. It is funny for them to be hanged on the bullshit articles they wrote all that time ago.

Aren't there commissions and government agencies that investigate and check these machines before using them?

The Chavez story is 16 - 14 years old, I'd imagine that security upgrades and checks have been done over the past one and a half decade?
Not just that, but despite its roots in Venzuala, the company is now headquartered in the UK with global operations and dozens of satisfied customers. It is not really credible to believe it is busy fixing elections for socialists.
 
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