Gina Carano Fired From “The Mandalorian” Over “Abhorrent” Social Media Posts

[BrawlMan]

She's Right, that's not remotely the same as being right. Boom tish.



Bit of a kerfuffle a little while ago, Elliott Page spoke out against him (and others). Mind you, Hillsong is popular amongst people who I'd expect to be better. And lots of people I'd not, of course.

I just looked them up. Miley Cyrus was a member, but left when finding out about the gay conversion.

Miley Cyrus says she left her church after gay people were sent to conversion therapy

Miley Cyrus told Hailey Bieber that her high school friends were "being sent to conversion therapies" at their Tennessee church

www.metroweekly.com

I still don't like her, nor her songs, but I give my proper respects to Cyrus for making the right call.

 

[Kwak]

The Left is openly calling for attacks upon some 75 million nationalists who dare oppose them, doing so on TV, and more.

What are you talking about?

 

[Thaluikhain]

What are you talking about?

For some reason Gorfias is unable to google an image for a projector himself, and needs someone else to provide one, it seems.

 

[gorfias]

What are you talking about?

For instance, I am writing of the Left calling the riot, which was despicable, an insurrection. This is akin to the Nazis calling the Reich-stag fire a justification for genocide.

 

[laggyteabag]

For instance, I am writing of the Left calling the riot, which was despicable, an insurrection.

I mean, the Oxford dictionary describes insurrection as "a violent uprising against an authority or government."

It was violent, it was an uprising, and it was against the government.

If it looks like a duck...

 

[Thaluikhain]

I mean, the Oxford dictionary describes insurrection as "a violent uprising against an authority or government."

It was violent, it was an uprising, and it was against the government.

If it looks like a duck...

You might also notice that calling them insurrectionists is apparently insulting all 75 million odd Trump supporters. So, not an isolated fringe by any means.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

For instance, I am writing of the Left calling the riot, which was despicable, an insurrection. This is akin to the Nazis calling the Reich-stag fire a justification for genocide.

 

[happyninja42]

The difference in the rioters last year due to police violence, and the chucklefucks under trump, is that there is actual evidence to support the fact that the police operate with violent impunity, and are disproportionately targeting minorities with their illegal violence and procedures, contrasted to no fucking evidence of the alleged "steal" that trump and his fuckwads claim. In fact, when given ample opportunities in a court of law to present this "damning evidence of fraud", they systematically refused to do so, even going so far as to state, under oath, they were NOT claiming fraud. What evidence they bothered to present in court, was dismissed as ridiculous and not actual evidence, even under judges appointed by trump for their conservative stance. Every time they were given a chance to show their evidence, they either had nothing and said as much (because the lawyers knew the penalties for lying under oath in a court of law), or what they did present, was pathetically insufficient to warrant a case at all.

So, you could argue that "violence is always a bad idea", and condemn both sides for resorting to destruction to prove a point, and I would mostly agree with that, as I'm not a fan of it on any level.

But don't even fucking TRY and say the two situations are equivalent based on the motivating factors. And thus both are equally bad/good, because one side has a very REAL grievance, and the other side were gaslit by a self-righteous, narcisitic demagogue, drunk on his own self-importance and a delusion of grandeur.

Now, ON FUCKING TOPIC:

Don't really have much to say about Gina herself. Never watched Mando, I think she's an attractive lady, as I have a thing for slightly fit and tone women, so that's always nice to see in media, instead of nothing but runway model thin actresses. But I also doubt her acting was anything above standard tier, from the bits of her work I've seen, so I don't really see them having much problem finding a new actress to fill her slot. Not her role, as I figure they will just kill her off. But her slot, as "tough female hardass that kicks ass and takes names". Since she was clearly hired for her physique, it should be pretty easy to find someone else.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

No, internet, getting fired from a company for disobeying company policy isn't censorship. I don't think she deserved it, but that doesn't make it mass genocide either.

 

[Kyrian007]

But what are our responsibilities given this outrage? At a minimum, it is to be vocal. To object if we care about free speech. We may get Disney to reverse it's decision on Gina and help change the culture to one that is more accepting of differing opinions.

And that's the point, if someone finds it to be an outrage, and believes it to be a free speech issue... they should feel free to be vocal. No one is stopping them and I wouldn't try to. However I don't find it to be an outrage and I don't see it as an infringement on my free speech or that of anyone else. And if I want to express that "political view" I'll utilize my right to do so if I feel like it. Nobody's stopping me either.

 

[gorfias]

I mean, the Oxford dictionary describes insurrection as "a violent uprising against an authority or government."

It was violent, it was an uprising, and it was against the government.

If it looks like a duck...

The words one uses matter. You can be technically correct and still wrong.
They called months of looting, killing and city burning "fiery but largely peaceful protests" when done by Leftists. The reason certain terms matter is because of what the person using the term is trying to do, in this case, insight hatred of some 75 million people, otherizing them. This is the kind of thing Gina was warning of. She was correct. EDIT: Another example of being technically correct, but the words used are to serve an agenda: https://lidblog.com/carrizo-springs-detention/

And that's the point, if someone finds it to be an outrage, and believes it to be a free speech issue... they should feel free to be vocal. No one is stopping them and I wouldn't try to. However I don't find it to be an outrage and I don't see it as an infringement on my free speech or that of anyone else. And if I want to express that "political view" I'll utilize my right to do so if I feel like it. Nobody's stopping me either.

And that is the sad part. You don't see what happened as outrageous. I'm sure your average German citizen was fine with Jews being taken away as many if not most simply assumed there was nothing wrong with what was happening. We need to learn from history. Gina warned us.

No, internet, getting fired from a company for disobeying company policy isn't censorship. I don't think she deserved it, but that doesn't make it mass genocide either.

At a minimum, lets be vocal. Unlike some, let's be outraged and find this unacceptable. To keep it from ever getting that that mass genocide place to begin with.

 

[laggyteabag]

The words one uses matter. You can be technically correct and still wrong.
They called months of looting, killing and city burning "fiery but largely peaceful protests" when done by Leftists. The reason certain terms matter is because of what the person using the term is trying to do, in this case, insight hatred of some 75 million people, otherizing them. This is the kind of thing Gina was warning of. She was correct.

So by your very own words, it was technically an insurrection, and it was by definition an insurrection, but you are saying that it was in fact not an insurrection because... and then you go on a tangent about another completely unrelated riot/protest.

This just sounds like another case of Trumpism "alternative facts" to me.

You may want to have another crack at this one.

 

[Eacaraxe]

We might just have to deal with this seperately

Did you use this intentionally? That's the only way I can explain this

Just to be clear, what happened to Gina WAS the come around

Perhaps take your pearl of wisdom to Gina and show he, with her tweets, to explain to her WHY she was fired

No, it wasn't. Let me make this beyond clear since you claim to be a leftist.

In the past century we've had two Red Scares atop the constant low-level anti-leftist sentiment that's persisted in the general public that's justified mass censorship, law enforcement surveillance and infiltration, and anything and everything up to and including mass violence against leftist. It's not recent, and it's never stopped. Just in case you've forgotten what happened to BLM over the past summer, what happened to Fred Hampton and the Panthers in the '60s, what happened to King and Malcolm X, and so many others in the past that are, quite frankly, beyond count. This is the climate in which you live as a leftist.

You see, the point I'm trying to make is allegations of antisemitism have been weaponized against the left, and have been for at least as long as the first Bush administration, and have only grown in power since. Remember what took Corbyn down? Same thing that took down Keith Ellison, which was a throughline over two primary campaigns against Sanders (himself Jewish) and his supporters (of whom many are Jewish), and was attempted against the squad for supporting BDS -- with notably greater success the darker-skinned and more Arabic-sounding the member's name is, no less.

"Oh well those are bullshit allegations but what happened with Carano is the real deal, but never mind the past four years of comparing every breath Trump breathed to Hitler!" -- do you think truth stops neocons? After eight years of Bush, eight years of interference and collaborationism with Obama to pull his foreign policy hard right, four years of quiet exuberant support for Trump's policies while denouncing him in the press, and a whole-ass year of the Lincoln Project's bullshit?

The trajectory couldn't be clearer, here. What happened to Carano could well happen to you at some point in the next two to five years, and after Biden's election and four years of Russiagate, conditions in this country are all too ripe for a third Red Scare. After the media and public policy response to BLM last summer, the 2020 election and the lunacy of January 6th, the pump's primed for it especially if the government persists in its current trajectory vis-a-vis failing to provide for poor and working class Americans' basic economic and physical needs in the middle of a global pandemic and recession, triggering an imminent wave of national civil unrest.

Because what you've failed to figure out, is American society doesn't need HUAC any more. It has the Twitter mob.

If that response is a "boycott Mandalorian" movement... do they not have the right to organize that movement? Regardless of whether they should or not, they do have that right.

You mean like BDS?

Cancel culture is people voting with their wallets. By posting on social. With letter campaigns, and fliers, and petitions. Its individuals exercising their free speech.

It's a heckler's veto, and in comparable legal terms is an infringement against the First Amendment as well.

The backlash out there against cancel culture online is people using exactly those same tools to fight against cancel culture.

The James Gunn and Dan Harmon things? Schadenfreude aside, one would have thought some would have engaged in a moment of introspection and realized "cancel culture" is a double-edged sword, and tactics employed can and will be employed back. Apparently not.

 

[gorfias]

So by your very own words, it was technically an insurrection, and it was by definition an insurrection, but you are saying that it was in fact not an insurrection because... and then you go on a tangent about another completely unrelated riot/protest.

This just sounds like another case of Trumpism "alternative facts" to me.

You may want to have another crack at this one.

By your definition, resisting arrest is an insurrection. You can be technically correct and wrong. We try to use the most appropriate terms for a given situation. You call this riot an insurrection, what do you do when you come across a real one.

Reminds me of the story of the guy that always cussed vulgarly and constantly. One day he accidentally cuts his hand off while using a chain saw. He looks at the bloody stump and says, "oh... drat."

 

[Hades]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Still its a bit hypocritical. One Disney actress defended China's assault on Hong Kong and her movie thanked a concentration camp. That wasn't considered a problem, neither are the views of James Wood, but this woman being a far right freak is suddenly unacceptable? It seems like Disney fired her not just for her views but primarily because she was powerless to strike back while opposing China or even other actors like James Wood might have potentially cost Disney something.

Also I'm curious but did all the right wingers who find Carano's firing unacceptable also defend James Gunn a few years ago? When there was an orchestrated attempt by the alt right to oust him because he didn't like Trump? When this was done not by the stances he currently had about current matters but by fishing up old tweets from years ago?

 

[gorfias]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Still its a bit hypocritical. One Disney actress defended China's assault on Hong Kong and her movie thanked a concentration camp. That wasn't considered a problem, neither are the views of James Wood, but this woman being a far right freak is suddenly unacceptable? It seems like Disney fired her not just for her views but primarily because she was powerless to strike back while opposing China or even other actors like James Wood might have potentially cost Disney something.

Also I'm curious but did all the right wingers who find Carano's firing unacceptable also defend James Gunn a few years ago? When there was an orchestrated attempt by the alt right to oust him because he didn't like Trump? When this was done not by the stances he currently had about current matters but by fishing up old tweets from years ago?

Of course not "all". Old offensive tweets of his were dug up by right wingers. But this right winger was angered by this. To be honest? Mostly cuz I like the movies and wanted him back rather than on principal.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Here’s a question: I wonder how willing HBO would be to air this today?

Yup, we’re already there. Three decades ago people laughed and shrugged it off. Now it’s starting to feel a bit too relevant and close for comfort to these bigwigs.

“There’s a lot of groups, a lot of institutions in this country want to control your language, tell you what you can say and what you can’t say,” Carlin said on 1990’s Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics, its cover and title a send-up to the PMRC’s warning label. “Government wants to control information and control language, because that’s the way you control thought. And basically, that’s the game they’re in.”

 

[Eacaraxe]

...and then you go on a tangent about another completely unrelated riot/protest.

The two are related.

I live five minutes out from Louisville's urban core, across the river. I didn't hit the streets because immunocompromised elders live with me and I can't afford to bring COVID home, but I did my part in trying to help spread information and letting my friends on the ground know what I could from television and police scanners. I have real-life friends I've known for decades who were gassed and pepper sprayed, without provocation, by the cops. And hell, I smelled the tear gas from here.

You think the media strategies employed to frame the January 6th "protests" won't be employed in turn against the next inevitable wave of BLM protests, when the media spent months ignoring police-incited and police-provoked violence while simultaneously manufacturing consent for it with the decades old "outside agitators, difference between protestors and rioters, rioters need to stand down and let the police do their job" canard? You think that won't extend to inevitable protests against the Biden administration's and Congress' ongoing inaction and inadequate action to secure financial, food, housing, and health care security in the face of a recession and global pandemic?

No, just like those stupid fences around government buildings across the country and Capitol complex, that were only reinforced after January 6th, they'll be in play the next time the left comes knocking expecting humane treatment of black, brown, and poor people. Just like the increased chatter of expanding state surveillance over US citizens, increased police funding and police power. You think that shit can't or won't be employed in some 21st Century COINTELPRO bullshit?

If you do, you're a goddamn fool. Because what the left is doing right now, is looking up, seeing Damocles' sword, and doing jumping jacks while saying "nah it'll land on someone else".

 

[laggyteabag]

By your definition, resisting arrest is an insurrection. You can be technically correct and wrong. We try to use the most appropriate terms for a given situation. You call this riot an insurrection, what do you do when you come across a real one.

If you wouldn't describe what happened on Jan 6th as a "real insurrection", I would be interested to see what meets your apparently lofty standards.

A violent mob attacked the capitol building. Some of whom were literally equipped to take prisoners, and from what I've heard, there were plans to cause harm to at least 3 elected officials. Multiple people died. The entire place was evacuated, and those who couldn't escape had to barricade their office doors.

What other boxes need to be ticked for you? What further criteria needs to be met?

Again, if it looks like a duck...

 

[gorfias]

If you wouldn't describe what happened on Jan 6th as a "real insurrection", I would be interested to see what meets your apparently lofty standards.

A violent mob attacked the capitol building. Some of whom were literally equipped to take prisoners, and from what I've heard, there were plans to cause harm to at least 3 elected officials. Multiple people died. The entire place was evacuated, and those who couldn't escape had to barricade their office doors.

What other boxes need to be ticked for you? What further criteria needs to be met?

Again, if it looks like a duck...

Cops actually allowed many to enter. Most entering the capitol were unarmed. Their crimes could better be described as trespassing as they wandered around.
To call it an insurrection, it needed most of them to be armed with a coordinated plan to take over the country. They had less of that than did ANTIFA that took over public spaces calling it their own country.