8th grade Girls Attack/Strip 11-Year-Old Boy

[Gibboniser]

I think natural selection is failing, if people like the mother are still being born.

 

[AlexWinter]

It may be wrong, but if I were that boy's older brother, I sure as hell would know what I'd be doing once I see those girls at school. And that boy's mother? Seriously, press the friggin' charges already. Cut the sexistic bullshit already. If three boys would be doing that to a girl, their asses would've been on the wall for all to see.

This.

My little brother is 11 and gets bullied frequently, I stay out of it because a lot of the time kids will do something to warrant it. If it's pushing them around on the playground then alright whatever everyone goes through that, however, if this had happened to him I don't even know what my reaction would have been. But somewhere between the revenge realms of Joseph Fritzl and You Dun Goofed.

So I cannot understand at all why the mother doesn't want to press charges. Either she doesn't love her son very much or she doesn't understand that this video will be on the internet forever and her son will never be able to have a normal life.

 

[Jesus Phish]

Has anyone ever considered that the mother wants to forgive them and help these girls.

Help them? To what extent do they require help?

They do need help... they need a lesson in humility from society that they're not going to get because of the ridiculous double standard.

Seriously. If they were male, and the victim was female, they'd be locked away in the funny farm for years and would be branded monsters for life.

I agree with you on the matter. I'd just like to know in what regard the guy I quoted thinks the mother is helping these girls by not bringing this further and why they need this "help". They're essentially getting away free with this. And as many other people have said, if you reversed the sexes it would be a totally different story.

In fact I'd wager if you reversed the sexes and even the ages, having 3 younger boys undress an older girl against her will they'd all be getting the book thrown at them.

I'd like to see what the school will do about their actions and their own parents.

 

[emeraldrafael]

They'll get out of it by saying it was harmless fun.

Besides, Charges arent being pressed (god knows why, I'd charge all three of them and their families) so nothing really will come out of this if the parents of the victim decide not to do anything.

... eh, at least its happening older, and not younger.

Sure there may be no legal charges.

But Anonymous operates outside the law, sir...there will be repercussions.

There's nothing for anon to get involved in. It doesnt violate any of their key points they stand for. The people wo committed are known, there's been an invetigation, so what really would they do?

 

[Arizona Kyle]

I don't know what's more disturbing, the attack itself, or our willingness to create sexism of it.

well when your pointing out facts that are 95% true i dont think that it would be sexism....

Because yknow, 3 boys doing that to a girl is just a silly prank gone a wee bit too far right? right? No fuck that. Theyd get charged and so should these girls.

right on man right on

Nice to see that gender equality isn't just some bullshit idea cooked up to give a particular gender social advantages.

i see that shit ever day man i got supsended for pushing a kid and this girl (same day) beat the living shit out of this kid so bad that they removed him from school for 2 days and she got 3 days of in school suspension... btw the girl beat a guy

Charges should be pressed. No matter who the assaulter is, or whomever the victim is, this type of situation should not go unpunished.

This shouldn't even be an issue of "doubled standards". The fact that the mother chose to take what I'm sure she felt was the "high road" is, in my opinion, still the wrong decision.

I don't care if its women attacking men, or men attacking women. This is harassment, plain and simple.

Get angry that this even happens in the first place, not over who the attacker or victim was.

very true very true i agree so much with you

Double standards are a beautiful thing... I'd hate to be the boys father though.

"Dad, girls caught me and stripped me down naked!"

"..."

DAD: Did you have a good time with them son?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Criminal act? It's not like we torched the car. And, speaking frankly, can you actually name me a time when you were 12 when you actually considered legal parameters for simply picking up a car and moving it 100 metres away?

It was a collection of us doing a nasty thing. And kids are going to be nasty. But to say then that a child is a criminal for being nasty is fucking stupid. It's a waste of police efforts, waste of government resources, and frankly it's a waste of the teacher's time to file a report.

Much easier to reverse suspend every child involved for 3 months or get them to clean classrooms for the next 40 lunch breaks.

I'm not saying I didn't deserve punishment, I'm just saying there's a difference between a criminal act, and a nasty act. And frankly I think anybody that believes in judicial action for a simple case of bullying is insane. Why? It requires punishment, yes ... but it doesnt require a police officer (especially a low paid, thankless job as defending the common good) knocking on your door.

Whether or not you torched a car is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, you stole a car and drove it.

No ... we didn't.

That is a criminal act and deserves punishment. Being that you were a teenager ...

I wasn't a teenager ...

when it happened I wouldn't say you deserved prison time but at the very least you or rather your parents should be fined.

That would be considered 'frivolous' in a court of law given there was zero damage of property or true attempt of theft of property (by meaning that we as culprits did not intend to use the vehicle for illicit purposes).

That is unnaceptable behaviour. All this bullshit about "nasty" acts make absolutely no sense. If stealing a car is considered "nasty" then where does it stop?

It stops (starts?) when a person actually commits a felony or acts out of pure self interest, psychopathy, or impassioned criminality.

You deserved punishment. Detention does jack shit and suspensions are treated like fucking vacations than actual punishments nowadays.

I apologize given I'm using culturally (possibly?) specific terminology (Edit: it's called In-School Suspension technically ... so there you go), but reverse suspension is where you come to school, but you spend your entire day outside a disciplinarian's office doing all the work and handouts that would normally be given in class.

You miss lunch break and you have zero contact amongst friends except possibly at the end of school. It's basically school arrest.

OT: This is a disgusting act. Those girls need to be prosecuted but giving the double standards employed against men in today's society nothing will be done.

There are double standards, yes ... but you could also say that there's a difference between the girl's motives and what would actually account as aggressive sexual assault. It's nasty but it's hardly criminal.

I mean punching someone is assault, but does that then mean that you should arrest every student that gets in a fight at school?

 

[icame]

Girls should be charged. This is incredibly stupid. But you know what? If they got them in the court room nothing would happen because of how biased we still are towards genders. A girl can't even be charged for rape in many places (Not saying this is rape.)

 

[Danpascooch]

I wished girls did that to me.

You wish three 13 year old girls stripped you?

Disturbing........and illegal.....

anyway, Go ANON! This is what we keep you around for, time to ruin some lives!

 

[icame]

3 individuals assaulted and stripped someone of a younger age, recorded it, and posted it online. This person will likely go through a huge amount of trauma due to this situation, and he will be humiliated for the rest of his life. The 3 individuals are not being charged for sexual assault, or physical assault charges.


That is bullshit. Gender means nothing.

(Sorry for the second post)

 

[Danpascooch]

They're kids ... when I was in high school me and 13 other kids picked up a teacher's VW during break and manhandled it to another car parking lot.

Technically theft of a motor vehicle and illegal operations of said vehicle on State roads. I don't see why you have to throw the book at people when kids are merely being kids.

I'm kind of sorry to say this, I hope you understand I'm speaking impartially here towards the scenario and harbour no ill thoughts towards you, but you should have been charged. That's not kids being kids, that was a criminal act that could have got you into some serious life-altering trouble. I also feel sorry for the teacher getting that kind of treatment just for doing their low paying, thankless job.

Criminal act? It's not like we torched the car. And, speaking frankly, can you actually name me a time when you were 12 when you actually considered legal parameters for simply picking up a car and moving it 100 metres away?

It was a collection of us doing a nasty thing. And kids are going to be nasty. But to say then that a child is a criminal for being nasty is fucking stupid. It's a waste of police efforts, waste of government resources, and frankly it's a waste of the teacher's time to file a report.

Much easier to reverse suspend every child involved for 3 months or get them to clean classrooms for the next 40 lunch breaks.

I'm not saying I didn't deserve punishment, I'm just saying there's a difference between a criminal act, and a nasty act. And frankly I think anybody that believes in judicial action for a simple case of bullying is insane. Why? It requires punishment, yes ... but it doesnt require a police officer (especially a low paid, thankless job as defending the common good) knocking on your door.

You literally just said it was technically theft of a motor vehicle, and now you're saying it wasn't a criminal act?

Yes you were a kid, and that's why you should have been tried as a minor, our legal system already accounts for minors, and saying "it's nasty not criminal" when a law was broken is stupid.

With that logic you could say a man who murdered his wife was "just being nasty"

Here's a field reference for you:

Law broken = criminal act

There is a difference between a criminal act and a merely nasty act, the difference is that in a criminal act a law is broken, you can't just throw an arbitrary distinction around when you feel like it, the things you're talking about actually have definitions attached to them.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

No ... we didn't.

Did the owner of the car give you permission to use it?

I wasn't a teenager ....

That's even worse.

That would be considered 'frivolous' in a court of law given there was zero damage of property or true attempt of theft of property (by meaning that we as culprits did not intend to use the vehicle for illicit purposes).

I'm fairly sure driving a car without permission or license is an illegal act.

It stops (starts?) when a person actually commits a felony or acts out of pure self interest, psychopathy, or impassioned criminality.

So you drove the car because the owner asked you to then?

I apologize given I'm using culturally (possibly?) specific terminology (Edit: it's called In-School Suspension technically ... so there you go), but reverse suspension is where you come to school, but you spend your entire day outside a disciplinarian's office doing all the work and handouts that would normally be given in class.

You miss lunch break and you have zero contact amongst friends except possibly at the end of school. It's basically school arrest.

Still doesn't mean you shouldn't have been fined.

There are double standards, yes ... but you could also say that there's a difference between the girl's motives and what would actually account as aggressive sexual assault. It's nasty but it's hardly criminal.

I mean punching someone is assault, but does that then mean that you should arrest every student that gets in a fight at school?

I never said it was sexual but they purposefully undressed the kid in the middle of the goddamned street whilst the child was crying and obviously scared. Besides being embarressed he's most likely going to be bullied at school constantly due to this event. He's most likely experiencing shame and depression.

Let me put it in a different way. What if 5 adults cornered a person in the middle of the street, pinned that person down to the ground, ripped their clothes off and started laughing. What if those assailants were also male and the victim was female. Does your opinion change? Is it still a "harmless joke"?

This was not "just" a harmless joke. It's criminal and those girls should not be allowed to escape punishment so easily.

 

[Danpascooch]

Criminal act? It's not like we torched the car. And, speaking frankly, can you actually name me a time when you were 12 when you actually considered legal parameters for simply picking up a car and moving it 100 metres away?

It was a collection of us doing a nasty thing. And kids are going to be nasty. But to say then that a child is a criminal for being nasty is fucking stupid. It's a waste of police efforts, waste of government resources, and frankly it's a waste of the teacher's time to file a report.

Much easier to reverse suspend every child involved for 3 months or get them to clean classrooms for the next 40 lunch breaks.

I'm not saying I didn't deserve punishment, I'm just saying there's a difference between a criminal act, and a nasty act. And frankly I think anybody that believes in judicial action for a simple case of bullying is insane. Why? It requires punishment, yes ... but it doesnt require a police officer (especially a low paid, thankless job as defending the common good) knocking on your door.

Whether or not you torched a car is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, you stole a car and drove it.

No ... we didn't.

That is a criminal act and deserves punishment. Being that you were a teenager ...

I wasn't a teenager ...

when it happened I wouldn't say you deserved prison time but at the very least you or rather your parents should be fined.

That would be considered 'frivolous' in a court of law given there was zero damage of property or true attempt of theft of property (by meaning that we as culprits did not intend to use the vehicle for illicit purposes).

That is unnaceptable behaviour. All this bullshit about "nasty" acts make absolutely no sense. If stealing a car is considered "nasty" then where does it stop?

It stops (starts?) when a person actually commits a felony or acts out of pure self interest, psychopathy, or impassioned criminality.

You deserved punishment. Detention does jack shit and suspensions are treated like fucking vacations than actual punishments nowadays.

I apologize given I'm using culturally (possibly?) specific terminology (Edit: it's called In-School Suspension technically ... so there you go), but reverse suspension is where you come to school, but you spend your entire day outside a disciplinarian's office doing all the work and handouts that would normally be given in class.

You miss lunch break and you have zero contact amongst friends except possibly at the end of school. It's basically school arrest.

OT: This is a disgusting act. Those girls need to be prosecuted but giving the double standards employed against men in today's society nothing will be done.

There are double standards, yes ... but you could also say that there's a difference between the girl's motives and what would actually account as aggressive sexual assault. It's nasty but it's hardly criminal.

I mean punching someone is assault, but does that then mean that you should arrest every student that gets in a fight at school?

First off you're not an expert in the field, and have no idea what is considered "frivolous" in court (here's a hint, motor vehicle theft is not fucking frivolous"

secondly, you literally just said yourself the distinction between nasty and criminal ends when a felony is committed, and mentioned two posts earlier that what you did was technically motor vehicle theft, so you're either a huge hypocrite, or simply dug yourself into a comfy hole with your own argument.

Punching someone isn't always assault, not if there is no threat of serious bodily harm, but yes, the police should arrest everyone who attacks someone else in school if it's a serious enough attack to have broken the law, and the victim wants to press charges.

 

[Knight Captain Kerr]

This is sick why don't thay get the same punishment as a man striping an 11 year old girl naked.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

No ... we didn't.

Did the owner of the car give you permission to use it?

We didn't use it ;D Not in a physical sense, we manhandled it. There was half a class of us and it a tiny VW. We didn't steal the keys, break the window, and drive it. We picked t up and moved it.

I wasn't a teenager ....

That's even worse.

So doing it at 12 is worse than doing it as a teenager? I am confused. It's worse that as a 12 year old (admittedly there was 3/4 13 year olds ... fuzzy on the details given it happened over a decade and a half ago)

I'm fairly sure driving a car without permission or license is an illegal act.

Christ, we didn't break into the car and drove it ... like I said, we moved it. Physically moved it ... we literally lifted the thing and moved it ... there was over a dozen of us at any one time and it was a bug. Atmost each individual was probably only carrying like 15 kilos.

Still doesn't mean you shouldn't have been fined.

Meh, Police weren't involved ... supposedly we were spotted by the gardener. We just got reverse suspended for 4 months.

Personally I think that's fair punishment for the 'crime'.

I never said it was sexual but they purposefully undressed the kid in the middle of the goddamned street whilst the child was crying and obviously scared. Besides being embarressed he's most likely going to be bullied at school constantly due to this event. He's most likely experiencing shame and depression.

Shame and depression. Sounds like school ^_^

To be fair, all kids go through this ... and in 5 months time it will be forgotten. Old news. Kids are dynamic like that, it's adults that hold grudges and grind axes.

Let me put it in a different way. What if 5 adults cornered a person in the middle of the street, pinned that person down to the ground, ripped their clothes off and started laughing. What if those assailants were also male and the victim was female. Does your opinion change? Is it still a "harmless joke"?

But these are kids, not adults. Adults should know better.

This was not "just" a harmless joke. It's criminal and those girls should not be allowed to escape punishment so easily.

See people throw around this term of 'criminal' ... but how exactly does this case differ to, say, a bully beating up a person every week after school for 3 months straight? Bullies are bullies, and everybody is bullied atleast once.

Nature of the beast. Kids are little shits, I was a little shit until about year 8/9 when I settled down and started growing up a bit. A I said before, got the shit kicked out of me a few times when I first started HS ... and I learned to stand on my feet a bit and realise that the world is ultimately unfair, but the greatest vengeance I could have is taking my beatings with good humour and not let it get to me.

I know it sounds like a cliched thing. But I'm a better person for it, and a socially responsible adult if only because I got to be a bit rebellious (and also have that anti-social element thrust upon me in greater volumes) in my youth.

Had a job at 13, moved out at 16, got a better job, worked o/s, went to university. Studied arts and psych(and now education PG). Socially adjusted ... not to toot my own horn. But I'm proud of my achievements and I owe it to accepting that sometimes you have to deal with the most unpleasant individuals in life and turn the other cheek on more than a few occasions.

It really doesn't help anybody by throwing labels on kids. If they learn their lesson (hopefully), then they'll be better people for it. If you just call them criminal and socially ostracise them, then they become the monsters you label them.

It's as simple as that.

It's not always easy to do ulimately what's right when there's a clear victim in the face of an attack on one's character and being, but at the same time sometimes the high road is about acceptance and forgiveness. Holds true in your adult existence as well.

 

[skywalkerlion]

Nice to see that gender equality isn't just some bullshit idea cooked up to give a particular gender social advantages.

Couldn't have said it better. What a terrible incident to be left unpunished.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

First off you're not an expert in the field, and have no idea what is considered "frivolous" in court (here's a hint, motor vehicle theft is not fucking frivolous"

A frivolous (trifling) charge is one in which any possible damages, or extent of damages, are well and truly below the penalties which are imposed upon the offending individual. We didn't damage the car, we didn't operate it, we moved it and were punished by the school.

A fair punishment I would say as well. We learnt our lesson, and we were better individuals for it. How exactly does pursuing judicial action actually help us improve ourselves for what is a negligible offence?

I'm willing to bet that even if you tried to file charges a police officer would probably dissuade you.

secondly, you literally just said yourself the distinction between nasty and criminal ends when a felony is committed, and mentioned two posts earlier that what you did was technically motor vehicle theft, so you're either a huge hypocrite, or simply dug yourself into a comfy hole with your own argument.

Etymology

Old French felonie (?evil, immoral deed?), from felon (?evildoer?). Ultimately of Germanic origin. More at felon.
[edit] Noun

felony (plural felonies)
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1. (US, law) A serious criminal offense, which, under federal law, is punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

Need I say more?

I mean if you take it from a lingua franca perspective, a felony is an immoral crime (and unless you're a sensationalist idiot, no way could you say what we did was immoral) ... and no fucking way would a judge (in the US) jail us for a term exceeding one year ... Hell he would toss out any 'criminal' offence and just call it as it is.

"A fucking stupid idea, but otherwise harmless"

Punching someone isn't always assault, not if there is no threat of serious bodily harm, but yes, the police should arrest everyone who attacks someone else in school if it's a serious enough attack to have broken the law, and the victim wants to press charges.

So you're saying that what I did is worse than me bullying a kid ... and you're accusing me of having poor ideals of criminality ....

 

[Harbinger_]

Well since it doesn't happen that often where a female is an aggressor I guess that makes it alright.

 

[Haydyn]

DOUBLE STANDARDS *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP CLAP CLAP!*

The Feminists have won.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

and in 5 months time it will be forgotten

This is just fucking stupid. That kid will probably never be able to forget it. its not something anyone could easily forget. he is going to spend the rest of his school life being reminded of it by little shits that think its funny. He'll probably end up suffering from some severe long term emotional issues.

But these are kids, not adults. Adults should know better.

I believe age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10. According to the law, thats the time when you should start to know better. in 8th grade you're what 14? By 14 you should definitely know better.

See people throw around this term of 'criminal' ... but how exactly does this case differ to, say, a bully beating up a person every week after school for 3 months straight? Bullies are bullies, and everybody is bullied atleast once.

And? its still a crime. There are plenty of criminal charges you can lay on a bully who beats someone up every night for three weeks. There are plenty of charges you can throw at these girls. the only reason they don't is because they're kids. This is completely wrong. They are clearly breaking the law and need to be punished accordingly. Is time we stopped letting them off simply because they are 'kids'

 

[hagar2]

this is exactly what i have been saying for years! girls get off to easily! don't even try to deny it. somehow its always the guys fault. if you can find a way to prove me wrong, say it