AndyFromMonday said:
PaulH said:
Did the owner of the car give you permission to use it?
We didn't use it ;D Not in a physical sense, we manhandled it. There was half a class of us and it a tiny VW. We didn't steal the keys, break the window, and drive it. We picked t up and moved it.
PaulH said:
So doing it at 12 is worse than doing it as a teenager? I am confused. It's worse that as a 12 year old (admittedly there was 3/4 13 year olds ... fuzzy on the details given it happened over a decade and a half ago)
I'm fairly sure driving a car without permission or license is an illegal act.
Christ, we didn't break into the car and drove it ... like I said, we moved it. Physically moved it ... we literally lifted the thing and
moved it ... there was over a dozen of us at any one time and it was a bug. Atmost each individual was probably only carrying like 15 kilos.
Still doesn't mean you shouldn't have been fined.
Meh, Police weren't involved ... supposedly we were spotted by the gardener. We just got reverse suspended for 4 months.
Personally I think that's fair punishment for the 'crime'.
I never said it was sexual but they purposefully undressed the kid in the middle of the goddamned street whilst the child was crying and obviously scared. Besides being embarressed he's most likely going to be bullied at school constantly due to this event. He's most likely experiencing shame and depression.
Shame and depression. Sounds like school ^_^
To be fair, all kids go through this ... and in 5 months time it will be forgotten. Old news. Kids are dynamic like that, it's adults that hold grudges and grind axes.
Let me put it in a different way. What if 5 adults cornered a person in the middle of the street, pinned that person down to the ground, ripped their clothes off and started laughing. What if those assailants were also male and the victim was female. Does your opinion change? Is it still a "harmless joke"?
But these are kids, not adults. Adults should know better.
This was not "just" a harmless joke. It's criminal and those girls should not be allowed to escape punishment so easily.
See people throw around this term of 'criminal' ... but how exactly does this case differ to, say, a bully beating up a person every week after school for 3 months straight? Bullies are bullies, and everybody is bullied atleast once.
Nature of the beast. Kids are little shits, I was a little shit until about year 8/9 when I settled down and started growing up a bit. A I said before, got the shit kicked out of me a few times when I first started HS ... and I learned to stand on my feet a bit and realise that the world is ultimately unfair, but the greatest vengeance I could have is taking my beatings with good humour and not let it get to me.
I know it sounds like a cliched thing. But I'm a better person for it, and a socially responsible adult if only because I got to be a bit rebellious (and also have that anti-social element thrust upon me in greater volumes) in my youth.
Had a job at 13, moved out at 16, got a better job, worked o/s, went to university. Studied arts and psych(and now education PG). Socially adjusted ... not to toot my own horn. But I'm proud of my achievements and I owe it to accepting that sometimes you have to deal with the most unpleasant individuals in life and turn the other cheek on more than a few occasions.
It really doesn't help anybody by throwing labels on kids. If they learn their lesson (hopefully), then they'll be better people for it. If you just call them criminal and socially ostracise them, then they become the monsters you label them.
It's as simple as that.
It's not always easy to do ulimately what's right when there's a clear victim in the face of an attack on one's character and being, but at the same time sometimes the high road is about acceptance and forgiveness. Holds true in your adult existence as well.