8th grade Girls Attack/Strip 11-Year-Old Boy

[skywalkerlion]

Nice to see that gender equality isn't just some bullshit idea cooked up to give a particular gender social advantages.

Couldn't have said it better. What a terrible incident to be left unpunished.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

First off you're not an expert in the field, and have no idea what is considered "frivolous" in court (here's a hint, motor vehicle theft is not fucking frivolous"

A frivolous (trifling) charge is one in which any possible damages, or extent of damages, are well and truly below the penalties which are imposed upon the offending individual. We didn't damage the car, we didn't operate it, we moved it and were punished by the school.

A fair punishment I would say as well. We learnt our lesson, and we were better individuals for it. How exactly does pursuing judicial action actually help us improve ourselves for what is a negligible offence?

I'm willing to bet that even if you tried to file charges a police officer would probably dissuade you.

secondly, you literally just said yourself the distinction between nasty and criminal ends when a felony is committed, and mentioned two posts earlier that what you did was technically motor vehicle theft, so you're either a huge hypocrite, or simply dug yourself into a comfy hole with your own argument.

Etymology

Old French felonie (?evil, immoral deed?), from felon (?evildoer?). Ultimately of Germanic origin. More at felon.
[edit] Noun

felony (plural felonies)
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Felony

1. (US, law) A serious criminal offense, which, under federal law, is punishable by death or imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

Need I say more?

I mean if you take it from a lingua franca perspective, a felony is an immoral crime (and unless you're a sensationalist idiot, no way could you say what we did was immoral) ... and no fucking way would a judge (in the US) jail us for a term exceeding one year ... Hell he would toss out any 'criminal' offence and just call it as it is.

"A fucking stupid idea, but otherwise harmless"

Punching someone isn't always assault, not if there is no threat of serious bodily harm, but yes, the police should arrest everyone who attacks someone else in school if it's a serious enough attack to have broken the law, and the victim wants to press charges.

So you're saying that what I did is worse than me bullying a kid ... and you're accusing me of having poor ideals of criminality ....

 

[Harbinger_]

Well since it doesn't happen that often where a female is an aggressor I guess that makes it alright.

 

[Haydyn]

DOUBLE STANDARDS *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP CLAP CLAP!*

The Feminists have won.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

and in 5 months time it will be forgotten

This is just fucking stupid. That kid will probably never be able to forget it. its not something anyone could easily forget. he is going to spend the rest of his school life being reminded of it by little shits that think its funny. He'll probably end up suffering from some severe long term emotional issues.

But these are kids, not adults. Adults should know better.

I believe age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10. According to the law, thats the time when you should start to know better. in 8th grade you're what 14? By 14 you should definitely know better.

See people throw around this term of 'criminal' ... but how exactly does this case differ to, say, a bully beating up a person every week after school for 3 months straight? Bullies are bullies, and everybody is bullied atleast once.

And? its still a crime. There are plenty of criminal charges you can lay on a bully who beats someone up every night for three weeks. There are plenty of charges you can throw at these girls. the only reason they don't is because they're kids. This is completely wrong. They are clearly breaking the law and need to be punished accordingly. Is time we stopped letting them off simply because they are 'kids'

 

[hagar2]

this is exactly what i have been saying for years! girls get off to easily! don't even try to deny it. somehow its always the guys fault. if you can find a way to prove me wrong, say it

 

[SilentCom]

They'll get out of it by saying it was harmless fun.

Besides, Charges arent being pressed (god knows why, I'd charge all three of them and their families) so nothing really will come out of this if the parents of the victim decide not to do anything.

... eh, at least its happening older, and not younger.

Sure there may be no legal charges.

But Anonymous operates outside the law, sir...there will be repercussions.

Anonymous may or may not do something about this situation. Personally, I wouldn't automatically assume that a non-organized group of hackers will take vengeance on the behalf of the boy. Also, even though they operate outside the law, that does not make their actions right because they are in fact violating the law.

I want to see justice and closure for the boy, but it will unlikely help him if Anonymous decides to ruin the life of the girls.

 

[Agent Larkin]

Right.

This is sick. Sick beyond all believe. The fact the mother isn't pressing charges is a whole other school of idiocy separate from the norm.

Double standards are one thing. The fact that those girls are getting away with this is another. It would be double standards if all that was happening was that they were made do community service or some other bullshit punishment. THIS is straight up wrong. Now I'm not big on how the law works in the states but if what I know is true surely the state itself can persecute those girls for these crimes?

And I have no time for anyone who says that action like that would ruin those girls lives. They did this and they should pay for it. If that means their lives are ruined well fuck them that's the consequence of doing something so downright evil.

And yes this is evil. Everyone would be calling it evil if the gender's were reversed so I'm damn calling it evil now. And quite frankly the fact these girls seem to be getting away with this just because they are girls makes me sick.

 

[bulldogftw]

I hope Anon finds them.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

This is just fucking stupid. That kid will probably never be able to forget it. its not something anyone could easily forget. he is going to spend the rest of his school life being reminded of it by little shits that think its funny. He'll probably end up suffering from some severe long term emotional issues.

I'm sorry, but I got ten times worse than what this kid got in the video, and I got over it quick enough. Not everybody is as teflon-coated as me, I know, but I fail to see how anybody can turn around and say "Onoz .... he'll be like ... emotionally crippled and shit".

I'm sorry, but how exactly is this worse than the average sort of treatment a student gets from schoolyard/off-campus bullying during their 'tender years'?

I'm not a big fan of creating nanny-states where everybody treats kids like they're so precious and fragile that they should never feel threatened in their entire life ... till they face adulthood in the workforce where half the staff is getting downsized and only those that pull high KPIs will be spared the metaphorical axe.

Whether people like it or not, fortitude is one of those things that isn't genetically honed in us, and requires stress and turbulence to develop. This is why we have tests (both academic and emotional) and use these metaphorical 'obstacles' for our children to cross so that we can prepare them for a life in the workforce.

All children go through these tests. None should be spared the stresses of youth, and unfortunately bullying is one of those stressors that hone our abilities to dealing with aggressive people(whether physically or psychologically ... bullying comes in two forms and is not solely in the province of youth).

Children learn to 'deal'. Hence why I said the mother did the right thing. It's an important life lesson that you will be picked on, and the world isn't a nice place.

Sure the attack was unmerited, sure it was nasty and uncalled for. But the mother made a right judgement call and understood that life is not always fair and that to properly equip her child she realizes that judicial action is not called for.

It requires emotional fortitude to truly escape.

The emotional damage (whatever you presume it may be) will not go away or be rectified by judicial action. Neither will the threat of being bullied. It merely is. It's a stepping stone to adulthood and the impossible journey of being as good as one can be.

I believe age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10. According to the law, thats the time when you should start to know better. in 8th grade you're what 14? By 14 you should definitely know better.

Right, I'm sure the UK prosecutes every single case of schoolyard bullying and fighting. And by 14 I knew jackshit. I knew not to be a little shit, and to sit down and actually do homework and actually dedicate myself to my labours so that I could prove I'm worthy of being paid more despite my age.

That's about it.

Core total of my knowledge base;

Work harder, study harder.

I was still very much a child and I call bullshit to anybody who claims they knew the world at 14 years of age. Though it's probably easier nowadays with facebook and stuff. You know, chat to three people across the globe and experience tidbits of alternative cultures... though I'd argue that isn't 'knowing' how the world operates.

And? its still a crime. There are plenty of criminal charges you can lay on a bully who beats someone up every night for three weeks. There are plenty of charges you can throw at these girls. the only reason they don't is because they're kids. This is completely wrong. They are clearly breaking the law and need to be punished accordingly. Is time we stopped letting them off simply because they are 'kids'

So ... what ... we should have half the children in the western world have criminal records because of misdemeanours?

Look there's law and order, and then there's accepted chaos. No matter if you posted a police officer every 100 metres of the length and breadth of a school, kids will still get into fights and do stupid things.

Hormones, primal aspects of dominance, pack acceptance ... etc etc.

basically you're telling kids not to be kids ... and I don't think that's healthy. I don't see why people should expect police to do a parent's job.

I certainly disbelieve (if only due to a teacher's primary responsibility; their Duty of Care) that a teacher would stand by whilst a police officer apprehends them on said misdemeanours. If you start treating children like criminals even before they're adults then all you're going to do is create greater social disharmony. You'll get children who are treated like criminals, and will then act like the criminals all others see them to be.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

morality |məˈralətē; mô-|
noun ( pl. -ties)
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

You admit you did something wrong, and that punishment for it was just. You then go on to say that, "and unless you're a sensationalist idiot, no way could you say what we did was immoral." How exactly to you admit is was immoral, while saying it wasn't immoral?

Because immoral would imply that we acted against core principles (caused damage to the vehicle, as opposed to just simply moving it elsewhere). For the same reason if me and 3 friends held you upside-down by the ankles on your birthday and said we wouldn't let you go until you drank 2 beers isn't immoral behaviour (edit: due to you seeming to make mountains out of molehills) as opposed to holding you upside down until you passed out and vomited all over the place trying to drink a 6-pack. Which would be us trying (and knowingly) to cause you undue harm.

A prank is a prank is a prank. Unless you're arguing that we should only treat eachother with only utmost care and love and affection then everybody is an immoral bastard, and therefore everybody is a felon.

Hence, you're a sensationalist idiot to say that simply picking up a bug and relocating is some huge moral failing on a person's part, and an even greater idiot for saying I'm somehow a felon (whether common lingua franca or modern legal usage of the word).

It was idiocy, not immorality. (Edit Our idiocy was corrected, and social decorums were reinforced (justly) ... but it was not a correction of one's morality. If, for example, I was drunk and so were a collection of friends, and one friend has a VW bug... I might be tempted to do it again.

Just for a laugh.

It's not moral to do so ... but it's not an immoral act simply because there is no malice or contempt for basic civil liberties or a person's right to hold fair character and genuine esteem, or to enact a willful destruction of property.

It's a joke ... and only a dick would then turn around and say 'That's criminal' ... besides I don't know any friends who would say such a thing in a first place. And I wouldn't be friends with them if they would.

It was a dumb thing to do, and I was punished for it. But I hardly think it deserves being labelled a 'felon' for. Might deserve an equally (or worse) prank ... but I'm one of those increasingly rare people that seem to have learnt to laugh at themselves before laughing at others.

(Edit Y'know, the funniest thing about this argument is you seem to be taking what I did worse than the teacher we did it to.

 

[shitoutonme]

You know what? Screw this mess! And screw gender equality! I'm gonna go beat my wife right now!

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

Jesus massive paragraph

I'm not sure getting fired is equal to being beaten and stripped while on camera.

If you think that its acceptable to happen, solely because kids shouldn't be coddled, well, then, you have much more hardass outlook on life than most people do.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Jesus massive paragraph

I'm not sure getting fired is equal to being beaten and stripped while on camera.

If you think that its acceptable to happen, solely because kids shouldn't be coddled, well, then, you have much more hardass outlook on life than most people do.

Not really, just saying is that I find it difficult to believe nobody here has actually been in a more shockingly violent or humiliating event during their tender years.

At the same time people bounce back. Like one kid I know, shortest in our grade (5'2'' by end of HS) ... picked on by everybody and certainly had it the hardest in my memory. Ran into him after coming back from Japan.

A pretty girl on his arm, wearing what looked to be $6000 worth of clothes and a lovely Rolex.

People bounce back. Lessons make the individual, and he learnt more lessons from school than anybody else.

So I don't buy this whole 'onoz, his life is over' bull crap. Whether he's successful or not, like 99.9% of bullied people (I mean, really ... who hasn't been bullied badly in their lifetime?), will depend entirely on his own capabilities and strength of character.

Edit: And whilst this may sound mean. I think it's a far better attitude to have that the kid will get over it, rather than constantly saying he'll be afflicted with this forever and ever and ever ... and he'll lose sleep ... and not perform as well as he could have because he's been bullied.

I mean ... why write-off the kid like that? Especially when the worst cases of bullying I know, many of those people have gone on to lead successful lives and aren't traumatized by their past at all. It's a bad phase ... but phases end. You're only haunted if you choose to be. Far more effective slogan than saying;

"I'm so sorry ... you must feel horrible, and will always feel horrible because this has scarred you for life hasn't it?"

Edit-Edit: Oh, and getting down-sized can be pretty heart wrenching.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

Jesus massive paragraph

I'm not sure getting fired is equal to being beaten and stripped while on camera.

If you think that its acceptable to happen, solely because kids shouldn't be coddled, well, then, you have much more hardass outlook on life than most people do.

Not really, just saying is that I find it difficult to believe nobody here has actually been in a more shockingly violent or humiliating event during their tender years.

At the same time people bounce back. Like one kid I know, shortest in our grade (5'2'' by end of HS) ... picked on by everybody and certainly had it the hardest in my memory. Ran into him after coming back from Japan.

A pretty girl on his arm, wearing what looked to be $6000 worth of clothes and a lovely Rolex.

People bounce back. Lessons make the individual, and he learnt more lessons from school than anybody else.

So I don't buy this whole 'onoz, his life is over' bull crap. Whether he's successful or not, like 99.9% of bullied people (I mean, really ... who hasn't been bullied badly in their lifetime?), will depend entirely on his own capabilities and strength of character.

But the thing is, how badly did that guy you're talking about have it? If he had the same experience this kids did, then maybe what your saying might work. But if it was just insults, then its not comparable.

I think your seriously underestimating what happened to this kid. He was attacked, in broad daylight, nobody helping him. He was beaten, with a girl attacking his neck. And he was stripped, in public. I'm not sure he'll be able to recover like your guy did. I mean, this is kid is 11, and your guy was in High School; thats a pretty big difference when it comes to dealing with problems.