8th grade Girls Attack/Strip 11-Year-Old Boy

[chach_face]

Stripping isn't sexual in and of itself; I helped my niece take her clothes off and have a bath the other day.

In this particular case, it is sexual. They aren't getting him ready for shower time

[quote="Shio"post=I don't feel it was sexual. They stripped him as an act of power displacement and humiliation, not for sexual gratification or the like. The attackers clearly have issues, though.[/quote]------ Shio


There were going for, how do I say, in terms which will make sense... sexual humiliation

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

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Do you at least agree with the child pornography charges a few people are calling for? That isn't really subjective. They recorded and released nude footage of a 11 year old boy.

 

[viranimus]

Honestly I can understand the parent though.. If my 11 year old son was screaming like a girl from having older girls trying to strip him.. I would be so ashamed I wouldnt want to have to go through court proceedings either.

So you think it is shameful that the boy who was stripped and humiliated in a public place while being videotaped didn't approve of the situation?

What kind of reasoning is that?

I think he's joking mate (slight sexual reference).

My point is simple. Im just stunned how hate filled the supposedly "enlightened" within the community thinks everyone is a victim.

I thank you Kayisking for getting what is painfully obvious if you take the time and illustrate the patience to read and comprehend what your reading.

Ill choose not to respond directly to the hate filled misinterpretations. I am a little disappointed, but not at all surprised.

 

[rapidoud]

Kids DO do this sort of stuff. (OT Rant)

Local paper, 3 boys from a school not 2kms away stole 3 chickens from their school and pretty much did everything they could 'for lulz' AKA they thought it was fun.

This involved:
Trying to drown them in a nearby river but disappointed it was too shallow
Repeatedly beating them to the point 1 had to be put down and another was dead
Beating them with rocks and the likes
Throwing them around
Dropping logs on their heads and wondering why they aren't dead
Laughing their asses off

Personally I would've had the kids seeing therapy for many years to understand how their parents screwed up so badly, I was disgusted when I read it. So these kids would think it's funny to do this stuff to a person if its AOK to do it to 3 innocent chickens? They would've kept going if not for the fact they got caught in the act.

And these kids were 11, 13 and 16.

 

[Shio]

The difference here being, you have to put your hand in a very close (or touching) position on someone's underwear in order to strip it from them. Whereas in your scenario, there is only visual recognition of the body part before you. You are not invading their personal bodily area as such you most definitely do when you strip someone's clothes from their body - skin usually touching skin at such point as well.

Any more intellectually dishonest comparison's you'd like to make?

But defining a sex crime as simple contact with genitals is wildly unreasonable. As I said, my hands must have come into contact or close enough to certain areas of my niece. Of course that wasn't in the least bit sexual. At all. In any way. Just as this attack doesn't appear sexual to the police or myself.

Also, the minor jab at myself, rather than the post, seems out of place. Looking at your account profile, you're real close to suspension. I'd try to remember not to address the user in that sort of fashion.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

They'll get out of it by saying it was harmless fun.

Besides, Charges arent being pressed (god knows why, I'd charge all three of them and their families) so nothing really will come out of this if the parents of the victim decide not to do anything.

... eh, at least its happening older, and not younger.

I don't get it though ... I mean it's bullying, and bullying should be discouraged, but charged?

They're kids ... when I was in high school me and 13 other kids picked up a teacher's VW during break and manhandled it to another car parking lot.

Technically theft of a motor vehicle and illegal operations of said vehicle on State roads. I don't see why you have to throw the book at people when kids are merely being kids.

The problem isn't that '...if they were boys...', the problem is '...if they were adults...'

Do you really think that it was a maliciously induced crime? Do you think the girls derived any sexual gratification from the act? Please... Bullies are bullies. I think the parents were right not to press charges, because there's other avenues of discipline and punishment that are more suited to the act.

Frivolous charges are frivolous.

Switch around "boys" and "girls" and you'd have them charged with sexual assault even if the boys' had no "intention" of deriving sexual pleasure from it. They'd play them up as sickos, rapists, and would quickly charge them as adults, whereas this is said to be a "prank gone too far". This was clearly a maliciously induced crime as they laughed and posted it on YouTube. You don't need to gain any sexual gratification to be motivated.

Which was my point, I mean there's no indication of sexual gratification ... so it was a pack of girls beating and humiliating a person.

TIt's a prank that went to far, sure, but ... what? Do you think it's a good idea people label them also as sick, twisted rapists in the making? As I said ... frivolous, is frivolous, is frivolous. Kid got bullied, therefore police and greater judicial presences are needed? Really...?

That's the kinda society you want?

So instead of having a child learn to stand up for himself and take their beatings with good humour you want to create more precedents for a kid crying wolf to media and police...? How exactly does this idea improve humanity?

Or hell, actually helps the 'vicim' get over the (possible) loss of his pride?

This is not "kids will be kids". Since when the hell do three 15-year olds randomly walked up to a young 11-year old and start stripping him stark naked in public, beat him and knee his throat, while recording the whole ordeal and placing it on YouTube?

And since when does the crap you go through in school actually happen again in the real world of adult politicking and money-making?

In high school I snapped a molar, chipped one more and suffered a concussion when hit in the face with a cricket bat ... 7th week into my enrolment in High. Senior didn't like me, beat the living shit out of me.

That's what school is like ... you get bullied, trampled on, then you get that little bit stronger, and you learn that the world isn't going to give you a free ride. You have to earn your happiness.

Part of the educational process. Irt's not nice, probably better that it was gone. But it will never be gone. It is status quo for the entire world. And honestly ... sure I get the ocassional pain in my jaw and what remains of those damaged teeth when I eat, but I can honestly say I probably needed a good thrashing in my youth.

Your prank involved one teacher being inconvenienced and having a silly story to tell at this office. This "prank" involves the mental scarring of a kid who probably just discovered that girls don't have cooties.

Please ... he's 11, not 4. Unless you have had a remarkably sheltered life you can damn well be certain if he's your average kid around the block that he's fixates on girls in his classes 99.99% of the time ... you know ... in between the time spent pretending to listen in class and when he's jerking off to other girls after discovering (6 years ago) internet porn.

And mental scarring? Please. I mean if the kid is hurt so easily then he had major issues to begin with.

 

[Averant]

.....kinky...

I jest, I jest. Didn't watch the video, don't care to. Charges should probably be pressed, but eh. I've seen 8th grade girls. Seems like they were getting a jump start on puberty.

 

[Shio]

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Do you at least agree with the child pornography charges a few people are calling for? That isn't really subjective. They recorded and released nude footage of a 11 year old boy.

No. I don't see it as pornographic. No more than a picture of a young child at the beach or running around naked in the home. Of course in this case the images are more disturbing and sickening even, but no more pornographic.

Pornography as defined my Merriam Webster: "the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement."

I don't think the images are intended to sexual arouse people.

EDIT: to add to this, nude images of children are perfectly legal. So long as they aren't erotic. See: nudist images and art, etc., etc.

 

[Vibhor]

Anybody defending the girls in this argument so far? No? Good.
Anyone defending the girls is a complete idiot. Charges should be pressed no matter what.
If you think otherwise then replace girls with boys and the boy with a girl then think of the outcome.

 

[chach_face]

The difference here being, you have to put your hand in a very close (or touching) position on someone's underwear in order to strip it from them. Whereas in your scenario, there is only visual recognition of the body part before you. You are not invading their personal bodily area as such you most definitely do when you strip someone's clothes from their body - skin usually touching skin at such point as well.

Any more intellectually dishonest comparison's you'd like to make?

But defining a sex crime as simple contact with genitals is wildly unreasonable. As I said, my hands must have come into contact or close enough to certain areas of my niece. Of course that wasn't in the least bit sexual. At all. In any way. Just as this attack doesn't appear sexual to the police or myself.

Also, the minor jab at myself, rather than the post, seems out of place. Looking at your account profile, you're real close to suspension. I'd try to remember not to address the user in that sort of fashion.

How is stripping someone and filming in in order to humiliate them not a sex crime? Please Sora, refute that, without a story regarding your niece

 

[Seanfall]

Okay...that's fucked up. for one thing the girls should know better by know. If the parents were doing their job (a rare thing indeed these days.) Secondly the mom's not pressing charges? wth? My mom would have ***** slapped all three of those girls AND their parents. Does she just not care if her son is now damaged from this shit?

 

[Killclaw Kilrathi]

They're kids ... when I was in high school me and 13 other kids picked up a teacher's VW during break and manhandled it to another car parking lot.

Technically theft of a motor vehicle and illegal operations of said vehicle on State roads. I don't see why you have to throw the book at people when kids are merely being kids.

I'm kind of sorry to say this, I hope you understand I'm speaking impartially here towards the scenario and harbour no ill thoughts towards you, but you should have been charged. That's not kids being kids, that was a criminal act that could have got you into some serious life-altering trouble. I also feel sorry for the teacher getting that kind of treatment just for doing their low paying, thankless job.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

The difference here being, you have to put your hand in a very close (or touching) position on someone's underwear in order to strip it from them. Whereas in your scenario, there is only visual recognition of the body part before you. You are not invading their personal bodily area as such you most definitely do when you strip someone's clothes from their body - skin usually touching skin at such point as well.

Any more intellectually dishonest comparison's you'd like to make?

But defining a sex crime as simple contact with genitals is wildly unreasonable. As I said, my hands must have come into contact or close enough to certain areas of my niece. Of course that wasn't in the least bit sexual. At all. In any way. Just as this attack doesn't appear sexual to the police or myself.

You did not touch your niece in a manner (had the intent to) that was meant to instill humiliation upon her by stripping her naked, mocking her and then posting a video recording of her naked body on the internet. These girls did, which makes this situation incomparable in regards to you and your niece. The comparison just doesn't stick, mate.

Also, the minor jab at myself, rather than the post, seems out of place. Looking at your account profile, you're real close to suspension. I'd try to remember not to address the user in that sort of fashion.

Really, now? My account history and details are mine and the moderators alone to deal with, mate. Also, my jab at you was rather warranted, considering how absurd your comparisons were regarding a clearly innocent situation with your niece we've likely all been through at one point, and this clearly intentionally humiliating scenario for the victim in question. If you hadn't attempted such a thing, I would not have had to point out the dishonesty in your post.

Edit: However, as this will clearly go nowhere with such absurdities on one end, I'll stop it here.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

The act is bad enough, but posting it ONLINE? What the fuck kind of messed up little sadistic assholes would do that?

And it also implyes that they thought they might get away with it. Makes me sick. Lets hope the parent give them a good punishment. NEver being allowed to go outside ever again seems fairly reasonable.

And the parent should have no say in this. I'm fucking tired of this "under 15 years old" bullshit. These girls knew perfectly well what they did, the thought they could get away with it, and what kind of message will you be sending to these all ready fucked up girls if you don't press charges.

Imagine if the girls where boys, and the boy was a girl.

Now imagine the boys were 2 years older because girls that age are that much more physically and mentally advanced.

Someone would be trying to treat this as sexual abuse. And i don't see why they shouldn't. by the laws of equality, these girls should have their lifes ruined.

 

[Shio]

How is stripping someone and filming in in order to humiliate them not a sex crime? Please Sora, refute that, without a story regarding your niece

Because it wasn't a sexual attack. It was an insane, outrageous and disgusting attack on an outnumbered and innocent child. But sex or sexual conduct wasn't the nature.

I don't think you and I are getting anywhere and I feel it would be best if we called it quits before it turns into a back and forth that clogs the forum.

 

[The Rookie Gamer]

The fact that the girls aren't in juvenile hall already is outrageous. Even though everybody else said it already, I'll repeat it: Double standards suck.

To all those saying the boy wasn't a victim, and that one guy saying he was weak if that was happening, how about you have people choke, strip, and mock you, simultaneously, while posting it on the ENTIRE INTERNET. Just because your resilient to being beaten doesn't mean everyone else is freakin' Iron Man.

 

[chach_face]

How is stripping someone and filming in in order to humiliate them not a sex crime? Please Sora, refute that, without a story regarding your niece

Because it wasn't a sexual attack. It was an insane, outrageous and disgusting attack on an outnumbered and innocent child. But sex or sexual conduct wasn't the nature.

I don't think you and I are getting anywhere and I feel it would be best if we called it quits before it turns into a back and forth that clogs the forum.

No way. stripping someone down, against their will, for your amusement is a sexual act.
Edit: rereading it, that mother comment came out wrong

 

[Shio]

How is stripping someone and filming in in order to humiliate them not a sex crime? Please Sora, refute that, without a story regarding your niece

Because it wasn't a sexual attack. It was an insane, outrageous and disgusting attack on an outnumbered and innocent child. But sex or sexual conduct wasn't the nature.

I don't think you and I are getting anywhere and I feel it would be best if we called it quits before it turns into a back and forth that clogs the forum.

No way. stripping someone down, against their will, for your amusement is a sexual act. Ask your mother

You are of course welcome to your opinion and I respect that. But, as I said, I don't think we will come to terms on this issue.

Enjoy the rest of your day

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

They're kids ... when I was in high school me and 13 other kids picked up a teacher's VW during break and manhandled it to another car parking lot.

Technically theft of a motor vehicle and illegal operations of said vehicle on State roads. I don't see why you have to throw the book at people when kids are merely being kids.

I'm kind of sorry to say this, I hope you understand I'm speaking impartially here towards the scenario and harbour no ill thoughts towards you, but you should have been charged. That's not kids being kids, that was a criminal act that could have got you into some serious life-altering trouble. I also feel sorry for the teacher getting that kind of treatment just for doing their low paying, thankless job.

Criminal act? It's not like we torched the car. And, speaking frankly, can you actually name me a time when you were 12 when you actually considered legal parameters for simply picking up a car and moving it 100 metres away?

It was a collection of us doing a nasty thing. And kids are going to be nasty. But to say then that a child is a criminal for being nasty is fucking stupid. It's a waste of police efforts, waste of government resources, and frankly it's a waste of the teacher's time to file a report.

Much easier to reverse suspend every child involved for 3 months or get them to clean classrooms for the next 40 lunch breaks.

I'm not saying I didn't deserve punishment, I'm just saying there's a difference between a criminal act, and a nasty act. And frankly I think anybody that believes in judicial action for a simple case of bullying is insane. Why? It requires punishment, yes ... but it doesnt require a police officer (especially a low paid, thankless job as defending the common good) knocking on your door.

 

[chach_face]

Shio, aight, but I feel that you're playing the contrarian just for fun... Have I been trolled?