A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

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It's a frustration when people on the internet make insane claims and then tell you to "do you own research" when you call them on it. In most cases, it's not research. It's searching for sources that agree with their stance, usually conspiracy theory videos by people who no credentials for any line of work more complex than flipping burgers.
That pisss me off so much. Like you made the claim it is up to you to back it up. Its like you said its sources that confirm with what you already believe.

So only two things come of this. Either you expect me to see your points and just cosign with no thought or you have no faith in your own sources and are aware the just confirm you own beliefs.

I have seen that so much it wears on you.
 

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In other news a cop just dies of injuries suffered so the body count is up to 5 so far.
Possible details of one of the other mystery deaths: The police pushed a person off the balcony and he may have fallen 50 feet.

 

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They have to be exposed, marginalized, kept away from any sort of power. Otherwise they take over, and we die.
I don't disagree that ignoring a festering wound is a mistake, but there are still right and wrong ways to take action, and I think you're advocating for the wrong action. By beating up on the people whose beliefs you think are dangerous, you're not only minimizing the chance they change their own mind, but you also make them sympathetic to people who might see them as your victim.

You can disagree with someone and pity them.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.

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-My second thought is that I'm so uneasy with how lightly people are taking this. I had a few mocking "I guess you're going to add this to your reasons of why you're moving to Canada"
I think we're taking it lightly because of how stupid the whole thing was. Yeah, they got into the building but they weren't organized, no one had a plan. They got inside and mostly just milled around, took pictures of themselves (making it very easy to ID some of these idiots), and sat on other people's chairs. This could have all been a lot worse.

People who are comparing this to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are blowing the whole thing out of proportion.

I'm pretty sure the reason any of this is happening is because people are bored, angry, and have no outlet to release their stress because of all the lock-downs. That's why the riots happened earlier last year, and that's why this happened, because people are out of work, have free time on their hands and nothing better to do than go to rallies and marches and spend all day listening to youtube conspiracy theories.

This wasn't an organized attack on democracy, this was a mob of idiots who got worked up but didn't know what to do once they got into the building because I don't think any of them actually expected to get that far.
 

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This is what we'll be talking about for a while. This pretty much shot dead the hopes that 2021 will not be such a trash fire as 2020, but we must keep hopes.

But I want to have a specific thread about the day. Our new 9/11, where the unthinkable once again happened on American Shores. But this time, the terror came from Americans.


So, Nation (and the rest of the World because we were a little loud in our disagreement), we're confronted with the truth of it. How has it affected you? How SHOULD it affect us all?
Personally i am not really surprised and most of those around me are neither.

The reputation of the US has tanked severely over the last couple of years and a bunch of Trump supporters trying to storm the Capitol to attack your congreass to avoid vote confirmation fits well in.

We have seen again and again things happen in the US that we never would thought possible in a developed country. Many of us think that the US is pretty close to a failed state because its system is fundamentally broken and it shows.

So we are not actually surprised.


But the good thing is that Biden has won. So the Trump lunatics are recognized as minority and not as representative of your average American.
 

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How does Trump having a second term benefit them in anyway.
Japan has an extremely conservative, nationalist government. One very conservative party has had a complete stranglehold on Japanese politics for 70 years now. Both the current and previous prime minister of Japan, as well as most of their cabinets, are also members of far right nationalist, neo-Imperialist organisations.

People in the West often don't realise quite how insanely right-wing and authoritarian Japan is. Japanese politics are far more closely aligned with people like Trump than with American liberals, let alone the American left.

There's also Trump's hostility towards China, which is likely to play well on anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan.
 
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I don't disagree that ignoring a festering wound is a mistake, but there are still right and wrong ways to take action, and I think you're advocating for the wrong action. By beating up on the people whose beliefs you think are dangerous, you're not only minimizing the chance they change their own mind, but you also make them sympathetic to people who might see them as your victim.

You can disagree with someone and pity them.
Kinda reminds me of the ending of Stargirl to be honest in the approach some seem to wish to take as the Injustice society wishes to reform America.

 

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Personally i am not really surprised and most of those around me are neither.

The reputation of the US has tanked severely over the last couple of years and a bunch of Trump supporters trying to storm the Capitol to attack your congreass to avoid vote confirmation fits well in.

We have seen again and again things happen in the US that we never would thought possible in a developed country. Many of us think that the US is pretty close to a failed state because its system is fundamentally broken and it shows.

So we are not actually surprised.
Second that. Trump supporters storming the capitol doesn't seem like a big deal, because while technically it's new, it's just another appallingly stupid thing people in the US are doing. Is it 350,000 covid deaths in the US yet? That itself was less surprising after the lead in the water, constant police shootings, kids in cages stuff.

There will be another one in a week or two. I've got "Americans being evil" fatigue. And, before anyone says it, lots of problem in my own country, and lots of people here looking at the US news and shaking their heads rather than looking at local problems they could do something about.

So the Trump lunatics are recognized as minority and not as representative of your average American.
The numbers weren't that great between them, though.
 

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There's also Trump's hostility towards China, which is likely to play well on anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan.
This right here.

Those are more than likely people who are convinced that Biden will be a Pro-China, Pro-Korean, Anti-Japan President. People afraid of the inevitable rise of China on the world stage.
 
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This right here.

Those are more than likely people who are convinced that Biden will be a Pro-China, Pro-Korean, Anti-Japan President. People afraid of the inevitable rise of China on the world stage.
Why on earth would Biden be an anti-Japan president? Like, that is a notion I find very baffling.
 

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I agree.

That's why, instead of feeding the delusion, you gotta squash it with overwhelming proof and evidence.
Y'know, things like audits, recounts, forensic investigations, things like that.
But you can't. This is what this discussion is about.

Also, transparency on the front-end would prevent conspiracy theories from getting off the ground. Don't go into secret back rooms and nobody will wonder what you're doing in that secret back room.
Transparency is good, but unless you replace all walls with glass, you will still have people claiming that everything they aren't a direct witness to is a manipulation.
 

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Why on earth would Biden be an anti-Japan president? Like, that is a notion I find very baffling.
Why would Biden be basicly Stalin? Why would Obama be a secret muslim? See the pattern?
 

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This wasn't an organized attack on democracy, this was a mob of idiots who got worked up but didn't know what to do once they got into the building because I don't think any of them actually expected to get that far.
When thousands of people gather to protest and hundreds of them storm a building that's both and institution and and icon of democracy, that is an organized attack. It was poorly planned, poorly thought out and poorly executed but it was nonetheless an attack. As with all terrorism, we shouldn't judge this by the incompetence of the perpetrators but by the sincerity of their intentions. These are people who are ready to come out en masse to try and disrupt the democratic process. That they turned out to suck at it, this time, does not mean we should shrug it off as not serious. If they are not cracked down on hard they will try again and they will have learned from their first debacle. I agree that this was not 9/11 or Pearl Harbor levels of bad, but when hundreds of citizens storm federal buildings intent on disrupting the democratic process because they disagree with election results it needs to be taken very, very seriously.

Keep in mind that Hitler's first attempt at a coup was a poorly planned and executed disaster and he even went to jail for it. In 1923 no one took NSDAP seriously and considered it all the silly antics of some fascist loons. Ten years later the NSDAP had passed the emergency act that allowed them to dismantle German democracy.
 
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