Out of interest, are the Trumpists claiming the Trumpists injured/killed attacking the place were Antifa, and thus deserved what they got?
A few thoughts about January 6, 2021
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Yes and no. Both. It changes based on the group and the particular argument. The important thing to remember is to never believe them, because this is how they excuse invading Poland or seizing absolute power.
More importantly, fascism needs to be self-contradictory. It has to take both sides on an empirical event. When this starts happening, do not celebrate, believing the absurdity of it is an example of their house of cards tumbling down. The insanity of it is the point. Incoherence serves a mechanical purpose.
This is why I don’t humor conspiratorial thinking. Acknowledge the potential for deceit, seek truth, but disbelieving experts because they lie for power sometimes is stooge behavior. No, the government isn’t scheming to kill Biden so they can crackdown on dissent, and if they are or aren’t is irrelevant to whether or not such a crackdown would in any way be justifiable. You want everything to be sheep and propaganda because it justifies your own pessimism, but nothing is accomplished through assuming there is someone hunting you at every turn. The group infiltrated and run by the secret police during the Russian Revolution was the secretive militant wing of the SRs focused on undermining the secret police through assassination. If you assume there is no possibility of popular change, you make such change impossible.
Well, faced with the severe coginitive dissonance of thinking they are all for "law and order" and yet ending up killing a cop and sacking the Capitol, I think all sorts of excuses have emerged to try to explain it away amongst various groups. If we imagine that gunmen can kill and injure dozens in mass shootings and they can argue the victims are just actors, we're not exactly dealing with people who require solid evidence before making claims.
You might as well present evidence to a flat-earther dude. Good on you for putting in the effort and speaking out against bullshit like this, but Houseman is a lost fucking cause.
Obviously. Pretty confident he’s wholely bought in at this point. It’s just funny when he engages in the more obvious untruth.
The police officer whose head was smashed in a doorway by pro-Trump mob at US Capitol was injured and will be out of work 'for a while'
Video from the Capitol captured a pro-Trump mob barking as they crush a police officer's head in a door, pull at his gas mask, and hit him in the face.
www.insider.com
I just don't like having a lot of ammo. I dunno, it makes me uncomfortable with how much some people have. My brother dated a girl once whose dad was a huge gun nut, had like a separate room off the garage just filled with guns and tens of thousands of rounds and shells of various types. And I'm just like...why...unless you're planning for like...Fallout 4 and need ammo to fight off the mutants, why does anyone need so many guns and so much ammo. Its like having a thousand knives or axes.
Like this dude with 500 rounds and 2 pistols that hold at most 20 round each. How many times did he think the Secret Service would let him reload after he opens fire on the president?
Its sad that Rambo has turned into a symbol for like super over the top action. The first Rambo movie at least was practically a horror story about a broken, PTSD riddled soldier who just wants to find a way back into society. He was the type of guy the VA completely ignores and ends up homeless somewhere.
As to these rioters and would be assassins, fuck 'em. Thinking you're gonna be an action hero just gunning people down left and right. Fantasizing about killing people.
Yep, that's an act of violence
The police officer whose head was smashed in a doorway by pro-Trump mob at US Capitol was injured and will be out of work 'for a while'
Video from the Capitol captured a pro-Trump mob barking as they crush a police officer's head in a door, pull at his gas mask, and hit him in the face.
Yes that's the other act of violence I was alluding to.
Remember everyone, I began this by saying "But they also aren't a monolith, it's not impossible that a number of them would. It's just that the main hubs of trump-supporter activity aren't the frothing pot of hate and violence you might think they are."
The majority of them denounce the violence at the Capitol
I never claimed "no Trump supporter would ever hurt a fly", just that they wouldn't, speaking about the group in general, assassinate Biden.
See above
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Well, it's the way they ratchet up the tension, fear and aggravation, and the minute it spills over into a bad place start tutting and pretending they had nothing to do with it.
If violence happened it was justified but also we didn’t do it.
That’s a local affiliate and quite likely has very little to do with ABC or the “liberal media” and is more likely to be owned by one of the conservative news corporations that keep buying up local affiliates.
Edit: the time between the post and edit is how long it took me to figure out they’re owned by Sinclair, who are known for pushing conservative talking points on their stations. Are you even trying?
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