Didn't they just release a study that said the lockdowns were more harmful than good?
Also yes it is a disaster, I don't think I've ever argued agaisnt that. But it is strictly because of a failure of our governments to get their shit straight for whatever reason. There are lots of conspiracies as to why but who can really say whether any of that shit is real?
This virus didn't get this bad because of your average joe not getting vaxxed or not masking or not tight enough lockdowns. It got this bad because the world governments are fucking inept and quick frankly people can NOT work together on anything in a massive scale. There has never and will never be a unification of the world to battle a common foe. Even if Aliens invaded us, there would be people selling each other out.
Humans just don't work this way.
It's a NOVEL coronavirus. I.e. getting their shit straight wasn't really possible. I, for example, feel like I can only criticise Trump so much because there was so much they did know early on. Even now, there really isn't that much known. And you probably know that I will criticise Trump every time he does something wrong.
As to a combined global effort. I would agree with your points here for the lockdowns. Vaxxing and masking is partially about propaganda and the opposing propaganda was way better... mainly because it doesn't rely on logic. Scientist have yet to realise that using logic is just going to fail as an argument. But much of this is personal choice and unless the government mandates vaccines, it never going to reach 80%. People just arent going to do something unless there is a reason to. It doesnt matter how beneficial it is. That's just not how humans work
And yes, I would agree that if aliens came, we would not combine to help our own world. Ozymandias/ Alan Moore has always been wrong and doesnt understand humans
Not really relevant. Seriousness is relative. Some people who say 1 person dead is too many. It all depends on the scope you are talking about. A small number of dead is serious to a single person. For the WORLD to buckle down it would take a LOT more people. Humans have historically thrown away millions and millions of lives in any number of wars without much of a care really. 85 million dead in WW2. 20 million in WW1. 9 million in the fairly small viatnam war. 5 million in the Korean war.
At some point, in regards to Covid, we have to live our lives. Even the medical experts are now saying that Covid isn't going anywhere anytime soon, it'll continue to mutate, it'll continue to make it's rounds. So how long are you prepared to let the economic disaster unfold, for a disease that isn't all that crippling in the grand scheme of things.
I think at this point we need to reform paid-sick time so that workers aren't forced to work while sick. Identify clear warning signs such as fevor or whatever and educate the public so that people will be encouraged to get checked out and not go out if they are feeling "iffy". Things like this will do wonders to minimize the future impact of covid going forward. Continuing to cower behind face masks (of which 99% of people don't use effective masks and have never used effective masks anyway) and expecting the goverenment unemployment check to keep you going, is just not going to cut it.
Just to be clear. I was ask for YOUR number. I did not care about anyone else. I just asked for yours. You're talking about things being relative when I talking about your personal number
If you don't have a number, that's fine. You WERE talking about only 2% dying (I think it was) thus we shouldn't take things seriously only a few posts ago. So I know at what percentage you don't think we should take it seriously. I just want to know when you do. Not everyone else. Just your own personal one. If you dont have a number, so be it
...You think doctors are saying NOW that COVID isnt going anywhere. They were saying this around Easter 2020. Estimates were 5 to 7 years before we can have any normality. We haven't really started this pandemic yet... well, I suppose it good that you know it now
Today, in my corner of the world there was a pundit talking about the potential war in Ukraine. And that many EU countries were maybe hesitant to go to war due to the huge gas pipeline supply them from Russia. Sure, makes sense. Then he went on about how this pipeline was caused by those Greenie wind and solar people and they are the ones who put the EU in such dire straits. (Side note: no, I don't call it natural gas, because that power company propaganda to sell it to counties as a 'positive alternative'. It is utterly disgusting that is still a thing.) Which is such a break in logic that it almost broke my neck from whiplash. How could someone associate gas with renewables in this day and age is just astounding. I bring this up as an Australian, who has been 'under lockdown' for two year, a fascist hellhole by Rogan standards and... it has done incredibly little to damage the economy. We were one of the few countries that didnt go into a recession. So, you stating that 'lockdowns causes economy damage' now gives me that whiplash (with the proviso that international tourism is non-extent so there was some damage.) Particularly now that we ARE opened up and I see more shops closing now and less people dining, because the VIRUS causes economic disaster. You can go look at countries that didnt really bother with lockdowns and see that they had an economic disaster as well. I'm aware that this is anecdotal, but now I'm going to need some actually substantial to change my current stance.
Another proviso. I do NOT think all lockdowns were the same. Eg. Looking at any of the US or UK lockdowns just makes me see a complete waste of time. Nor do I have no problems with the lockdowns that we did do. Because I think it was a mess. Particularly, between the federal government and states. I would like more studies done on this, but comparing different ways to lockdown
Now, I don't know if we are talking about the same study. I do remember seeing one study that talked about there being more suicides due to isolation. And then you look at suicide rate during covid and they are down. When the rate of suicide has been climbing for years. In both the 'lockdown' countries or non-lockdown countries. And you realise that it just followed a talking point from FOX and didnt bother to do any research. It wouldn't surprise me to find out it was some RAND funded study or whatnot. There was a study about the Great Resignation thing but... that wasn't because of mandates. Most people quit based on the dangers they saw at work. From Covid. And anti-masker. And just seeing that life doesnt have to be as shit as it is. News pundits are spending so much time about getting kids back to school.... and parents are just not sending their kids to school. Because they see it as dangerous. Like .2% deaths is still 200,000 kids dying. In America. Parents now have to choose between going to work or keeping their kids safe (unless they are very lucky with their work.) Also, there are hundreds of thousand of new ORPHANS in two years in the US. Which is *checks notes* not a good for the children. But hey, gotta send those kids to school without doing any damage mitigation and pretend it 2019. That will work.... (if you havent got it yet, opening schools is an ECNOMIC DISASTER. I heard you were concerned about that.)
Bari Wiess went on Bill Maher complaining how she wanted this covid thing to end... like she still thinks that the US in lockdown. Which I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a lockdown for a long time in most states. You can even go overseas. Like, other than masks, you can do you whatever even want. But... its fucking virus. It does not care about what you feel. Its called 'living WITH the virus.' Not 'living WITHOUT the virus.' People keep talking about 'living with it' without realising that they actually need to CHANGE to live with it. For example, living with it probably means always wearing masks. Or having to be vaccinated to go overseas, school or work. It probably means that most people will make their birthday parties smaller, particular not inviting the oldies. For you, living with it means that the advice from governments will ALWAYS change, no matter how you feel. Deal with that instead of complaining about it. If that makes you angry. Great. It's how everyone else feels when someone say, 'live with it'
As to your suggestions, agree with the first half, not so much the second. With the proviso that I think a lot of the problems is the asymptomatic people and you're ideas probably wont work. And I don't have a good work around for that.
