A Message to Those Unhappy With DmC

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Em you are aware this is still just basically a boycott? You may not be boycotting in the sense of Capcom but you are still boycotting the product.

 

[rob_simple]

So your advice is that we send Capcom the message that rather than pay for new products we'd rather hand them over money for the same stuff they released years ago?

I can see no way that this could backfire...*cough cough*Street Fighter Eleventy Billion Hundred Super Turbo Fun-Time*cough splutter dead*

 

[TehCookie]

I preferred the plan to preorder DmC then cancel it. I already bought the DMC HD collection.

 

[manaman]

Forget about the dumbass boycott and play the game. Of course once you play it, then make a judgement call. Really think you need to give something a chance, not hate it for changing your precious little Dante who will probably turn into the one you know and love as the game progresses.

Once you play it they already have your money. It's a little late to after that to try using your money to send a message.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

All I can say is that when Cole's new look in Infamous 2 was revealed early to the public, there was a huge outcry to change it because it didn't suit the character to go through such a radical change. I doubt that if Cole's new look remained with the game, there would be little difference to the gameplay.

Seeing new screen shots it seems that the same is going to happen with Dante (new look, similar game mechanics). So I'm not a 'huge' fan of Devil May Cry, but I did enjoy the games, and if this look is really going to be a let down to some people, then they should rally together to either change it, or deliver a message to the publisher by not supporting/purchasing the game, in hopes that there will be some patch/DLC that changes that.

 

[ablac]

Buying something else by Capcom wont really show em, youve got to either not buy anything or buy something of their competitors.

 

[Just_A_Glitch]

Naw. This is the first time I've had any genuine interest in the DMC series (much to the chagrin of my DMC friends).

 

[him over there]

I'm looking forward to DMC. The moving geometric landscape in that one trailer seems incredibly awesome, Dante while a prick seems more like some teenager so I hope they do something with the more lighthearted setting and Dante getting his smug ass handed to him. I'm probably gonna pick it up.

 

[Zeromaeus]

...But that'd still be supporting Capcom.

Buying something else by Capcom wont really show em, youve got to either not buy anything or buy something of their competitors.

So your advice is that we send Capcom the message that rather than pay for new products we'd rather hand them over money for the same stuff they released years ago?

I can see no way that this could backfire...*cough cough*Street Fighter Eleventy Billion Hundred Super Turbo Fun-Time*cough splutter dead*

I don't want Devil May Cry to go away, which is the likely result of a simple boycott. If this doesn't sell and there are no other factors at play, then they'll likely just cut the series and that'll be all she wrote for Dante, period. However, by supporting the HD release, it would show that there is a demand for Devil May Cry, just not for Ninja Theory's Devil may Cry.

Also to those say I'm whining or trying to convince people or whatever, I'm really not. I'm just trying to provide a direction for those who have already committed to this specific stance on the title. If you, or anyone else, wants DmC, more power to you.

Also, it is true that DMC is all about gameplay. Only, when I look at DmC, I see Heavenly Sword with DMC combos mixed in. The flow isn't there. There's a noticeable lag between the attacks that would get you killed in past games. The focus on air attacks noticeably makes combat less fluid, as well. Not to mention the emphasis on platforming, though that's more of a unique gripe on my part.

I will rent this when it comes out, and if it denies my expectations, I'll even buy it, but as I see it now, I can't get behind it. Instead of sitting around and complaining on the internet, I'm proposing a possible solution for those who came to the same conclusion as myself.

 

[Candescence]

The fans have been over Donte's appearance for a year, now. It's nearly everything else that they now they take issue with - dumbed-down gameplay that's a clone of Heavenly Sword (which in turn was a God of War clone), the downright idiotic attitudes of the developers (Tameem needs to be punched repeatedly in the face, the smug bastard), the game engine being locked to 30FPS, no actual style whatsoever, Donte's fighting style looking like a butchered copycat of Nero, terrible humor, the terrible approach at trying to be 'edgy' and 'underground', the topical, political aspects of the plot that'll inevitably become dated in a few years... Oh, and the fact that all of Ninja Theory's games to date have bombed hard and they really should be better off trying to be filmakers rather than game developers.

The shifting environments thing seems interesting, but even that will be marred by the typical UE3 vaseline filter.

The list goes on. I'm not the only person who thinks this way. It looks like shit, it smells like shit, it probably will be shit.

And yes, I have been calling 'him' Donte. That disgusting, stupid-looking asshole is /not Dante/. Enzo couldn't even be bothered to steal Dante's actual clothes this time.

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but it kinda had to be said. Could've done with less swearing, but, eh.

 

[rob_simple]

I don't want Devil May Cry to go away, which is the likely result of a simple boycott. If this doesn't sell and there are no other factors at play, then they'll likely just cut the series and that'll be all she wrote for Dante, period. However, by supporting the HD release, it would show that there is a demand for Devil May Cry, just not for Ninja Theory's Devil may Cry.

This will never happen, though, because I guarantee you the average consumer as well as the people who will buy the new DmC on the strength of brand recognition far outweigh the purists who think it should stay true to it's roots and would be willing to boycott it, (although I'm not entirely sure what these roots are, given that it's been one of the most inconsistent series in recent memory).

The simple fact is that the people who really care about this are in the minority and what you are proposing will, at best, simply give the new game slightly reduced sales and the HD collection a boost in sales; meaning Capcom is unlikely to draw any correlation between the two.

 

[DigitalAtlas]

...But that'd still be supporting Capcom.

Buying something else by Capcom wont really show em, youve got to either not buy anything or buy something of their competitors.

So your advice is that we send Capcom the message that rather than pay for new products we'd rather hand them over money for the same stuff they released years ago?

I can see no way that this could backfire...*cough cough*Street Fighter Eleventy Billion Hundred Super Turbo Fun-Time*cough splutter dead*

I don't want Devil May Cry to go away, which is the likely result of a simple boycott. If this doesn't sell and there are no other factors at play, then they'll likely just cut the series and that'll be all she wrote for Dante, period. However, by supporting the HD release, it would show that there is a demand for Devil May Cry, just not for Ninja Theory's Devil may Cry.

Also to those say I'm whining or trying to convince people or whatever, I'm really not. I'm just trying to provide a direction for those who have already committed to this specific stance on the title. If you, or anyone else, wants DmC, more power to you.

Also, it is true that DMC is all about gameplay. Only, when I look at DmC, I see Heavenly Sword with DMC combos mixed in. The flow isn't there. There's a noticeable lag between the attacks that would get you killed in past games. The focus on air attacks noticeably makes combat less fluid, as well. Not to mention the emphasis on platforming, though that's more of a unique gripe on my part.

I will rent this when it comes out, and if it denies my expectations, I'll even buy it, but as I see it now, I can't get behind it. Instead of sitting around and complaining on the internet, I'm proposing a possible solution for those who came to the same conclusion as myself.

>Read as far as "I don't want DMC to go away"

I don't, but I sure as hell want CAPCOM to go away. Far far away.

Besides, Hideki Kamiya would likely pickup the rights to the series if Capcom dissolved.

 

[DigitalAtlas]

(although I'm not entirely sure what these roots are, given that it's been one of the most inconsistent series in recent memory).

His hair isn't white. People are pissed.

Otherwise, yes, you're right. Because the franchise has been passed around Capcom like a whore around a college campus, it's been incredibly inconsistent with huge changes from title to title in gameplay, art, and story. Honestly, the hate DmC is getting is the most forgivable "crime" committed by Capcom, mainly because it isn't one. Ninja Theory is doing great and people need to GIVE THEM CREDIT for being the only Western dev to actually TRY to make action games, and good ones at that. Plus, how do you know that they're butchering everything if you know nothing of the story? For all we know the opening cutscene is Dante dyeing his hair black to avoid looking like his father and we'll get a look of the internal struggle the character should have in this alternate universe.

In short, shut up. I don't like Capcom, so I'm getting this one used and at a cheap price. You should play the game before complaining about it.

 

[rob_simple]

(although I'm not entirely sure what these roots are, given that it's been one of the most inconsistent series in recent memory).

His hair isn't white. People are pissed.

Otherwise, yes, you're right. Because the franchise has been passed around Capcom like a whore around a college campus, it's been incredibly inconsistent with huge changes from title to title in gameplay, art, and story. Honestly, the hate DmC is getting is the most forgivable "crime" committed by Capcom, mainly because it isn't one. Ninja Theory is doing great and people need to GIVE THEM CREDIT for being the only Western dev to actually TRY to make action games, and good ones at that.

So now he looks like a Linkin Park fan instead of a particularly violent old lady, yeah pass the pitchforks.

I'm not familiar with any of Ninja Theory's previous games, but I've enjoyed all the previous DMC's precisely because, as you say, they are always changing --sometimes for better, sometimes for worse-- so I'm keen to see what they do with it. And, as another particularly enlightened user pointed out, I plan to wait and see how the game reviews, take it for a spin myself when the demo drops, then decide if it sucks or not.

 

[Zeromaeus]

I have played Ninja Theory's other action games. That's one of the reasons that I feel this will not work out well. Both games I played (Heavenly Sword and Enslaved), took a flash over substance approach. While the stories were played up by critics, I found both to be dull and over-sensationalized. The games were pretty, but in addition to the poor story, the games suffered from really lackluster gameplay. Heavenly Sword was effectively a God of War rip-off control-wise and Enslaved wasn't much better.

Again, I can see Heavenly Sword's gameplay in this game. That's not a good sign.

And no, its not the hair. He could have a purple mohawk and I really wouldn't care. Its the gameplay I'm concerned about.

 

[DigitalAtlas]

(although I'm not entirely sure what these roots are, given that it's been one of the most inconsistent series in recent memory).

His hair isn't white. People are pissed.

Otherwise, yes, you're right. Because the franchise has been passed around Capcom like a whore around a college campus, it's been incredibly inconsistent with huge changes from title to title in gameplay, art, and story. Honestly, the hate DmC is getting is the most forgivable "crime" committed by Capcom, mainly because it isn't one. Ninja Theory is doing great and people need to GIVE THEM CREDIT for being the only Western dev to actually TRY to make action games, and good ones at that.

So now he looks like a Linkin Park fan instead of a particularly violent old lady, yeah pass the pitchforks.

I'm not familiar with any of Ninja Theory's previous games, but I've enjoyed all the previous DMC's precisely because, as you say, they are always changing --sometimes for better, sometimes for worse-- so I'm keen to see what they do with it. And, as another particularly enlightened user pointed out, I plan to wait and see how the game reviews, take it for a spin myself when the demo drops, then decide if it sucks or not.

Correct.

Enslaved was one of the best games of 2010, so that's something to consider. The only thing it lacked was a deeper fighting system, which DmC seems to have from videos. So, in other words, if it weren't named DmC, people would be hyped.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I have to say from rereading this thread after my post people who are against the boycott or idea of one are well behind on what people dislike about it from appearances in trailers. For example running it at 30 FPS and changing of Devil Trigger mechanics. Most people have gotten over the appearance and accept it as a reboot type thing and although while DMC lore may not be what it is praised for it is important to fans. So yes the now half Devil/Angel thing is BS and changes things for fans.

 

[rob_simple]

I have to say from rereading this thread after my post people who are against the boycott or idea of one are well behind on what people dislike about it from appearances in trailers. For example running it at 30 FPS and changing of Devil Trigger mechanics. Most people have gotten over the appearance and accept it as a reboot type thing and although while DMC lore may not be what it is praised for it is important to fans. So yes the now half Devil/Angel thing is BS and changes things for fans.

It's not important to fans, it's important to people who care about that particular aspect. I've played all the previous DMC games and I like them all (even 2, it wasn't as bad as people say) and I will welcome this new addition to the series until such times as I play it and find it to be complete horseshit.

There are two kinds of fans in this world: The kind who respect a team's choice to try and take an established series in a new direction (like what the second Casino Royale did for the Bond films) and the kind who will just play the same game every couple of years from now until the end of time (or what's more commonly known as the Nintendo Strategy)

Personally, I'd rather see a series I love try something new and fail (the latest Ratchet & Clank) than constantly repeat itself just because it's a surefire hit with the fans and guaranteed money-spinner (every Mario title since about 1996).

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I have to say from rereading this thread after my post people who are against the boycott or idea of one are well behind on what people dislike about it from appearances in trailers. For example running it at 30 FPS and changing of Devil Trigger mechanics. Most people have gotten over the appearance and accept it as a reboot type thing and although while DMC lore may not be what it is praised for it is important to fans. So yes the now half Devil/Angel thing is BS and changes things for fans.

It's not important to fans, it's important to people who care about that particular aspect. I've played all the previous DMC games and I like them all (even 2, it wasn't as bad as people say) and I will welcome this new addition to the series until such times as I play it and find it to be complete horseshit.

There are two kinds of fans in this world: The kind who respect a team's choice to try and take an established series in a new direction (like what the second Casino Royale did for the Bond films) and the kind who will just play the same game every couple of years from now until the end of time (or what's more commonly known as the Nintendo Strategy)

Personally, I'd rather see a series I love try something new and fail than constantly repeat itself just because it's a surefire hit with the fans and guaranteed money-spinner.

Whether you think so or not retcons are important and do change a lot. The other stuff I am willing to try but I am not happy about the 30 FPS.

I'm willing to try a lot but retcons that change origins annoy me.

 

[dimensional]

Dont see the problem the original DMC was bloody brilliant and since then it has struggled 3 was ok but the less said about 2 and 4 the better Ninja Theory cant do any worse than these latter two (unless they really try hard to make it suck) and Heavenly sword was quite fun mostly while Enslaved was ok as well (bit boring).

I also dont think Capcom would allow them to do anything with the series they didnt actually ok, Ninja Theory may be making it but not without Capcoms approval and I expect in certain cases to Capcoms complete direction. I will just wait and see on this but it looks quite good from the small bits I have seen, I would be more excited about Bayonetta 2 personally. I wont be getting the HD release though why should I buy the games I already own? and in the originals case have played many times already.