A petition to black out Steam for an hour

[Madame_Lawliet]

there is a good chance she might of done it to her self

Wow, going straight for the victim blaming angle huh? Great way to get people to see your side of the issue pal.

I already showed evidence on the first page that there's a very probable chance they are made up, if you chose not to acknowledge that evidence that's on you.

Look, I don't know which corner of 4chan you pulled that crap out of, but calling anything that arbitrary and flimsy "evidence" is insulting. A few people on this thread have already explained how every single point on that thing can be easily debunked so I won't echo what's already been said, but ask yourself for a minute, why are you so willing to cling to this conspiracy? Why are you so resolute in making Anita Sarkesian the bad guy by any means necessary? What in the hell could she possibly stand to gain by faking something like this? Do you really think this is still about publicity when damn close to everyone who gives a shit already knew her name before any of this happened? Can you in good conscience put death/rape threats past the gaming community at this point?
I didn't think so.

I could site the literally hundreds of examples of so-called "SJWs" experiencing very real death threats, rape threats, threats of violence, you name it that have accumulated over the last couple years that have been verified, but I know I'd just be wasting my breath.

No by all means show me.

FYI Number of games critics killed for criticizing games = 0

You still don't get it do you? This isn't about whether people have been killed or not for criticizing games, it's about being decent human beings to one another, and showing a bare minimum of human empathy.
This about getting the community to finally evolve, adapt, and grow up.

I will concede that most of the threats sent against so-called "SJWs" were probably empty with no intentions of being followed up on, but that doesn't change the fact that, genuine of intention or not, they were made by real people and they did put other in a state of fear and/or distress, and if you don't see what wrong with that on a basic level of human decency then I have nothing further to say to you.

 

[Vigormortis]

Because that is equivocal to a public figure, some of whom's personal details are publicly known, receiving a threat that obviously seemed especially dangerous in relation the hundreds of other threats she has received.

Given the kinds of threats she usually describes receiving, I fail to see how this new batch of quick-posted, one-time threats are any different.

And even if there was some perceived note of serious intent, the messages themselves are so vague they border on comical. (though malicious)

Public figures receive these sorts of "threats" all the time. In most cases, the more serious and vague the threat sounds the more it is likely from some anonymous troll just trying to be a dick.

Death threats are no laughing matter. Until they are.

 

[Drizzitdude]

What a fucking poser, I mean really, this is clearly fake and she is doing this shit just for attention.

 

[Final7111]

First off if she doesn't like the threats here's a fun thought stop making yourself a target! I agree that threats of death/rape are not ok, however if you keep pissing everyone off like she does, then you can't act surprised when the known outcome happens! Sadly this is the world we live in, with all the trolls. As for steam shutting down for an hour, are you honestly saying we should punish everyone for the few that are bad? Personally I think she set it all up so she can make herself out to be the martyr.

 

[Don Incognito]

First off if she doesn't like the threats here's a fun thought stop making yourself a target!

Yeah!

And she dresses like a slut, you know she wanted it! It's her fault she got raped!




Seriously, dude, take a second and think about what you write.

 

[Jodan]

What does this matter stuff like this does nothing to imporve society only antagonize it. By opposing something you create its opposite in a new form( see foucault, derrida, etc.) this will only hinder other peoples lives they are doing somthing that gives them joy. that is not fair to those who are not sexist or any ist you cant blanket fix mankind one must preceive it relitivley and realize it is at it is and cannot be fixed in a subjective sense but merely altered.

 

[disgruntledgamer]

Look, I don't know which corner of 4chan you pulled that crap out of, but calling anything that arbitrary and flimsy "evidence" is insulting. A few people on this thread have already explained how every single point on that thing can be easily debunked so I won't echo what's already been said, but ask yourself for a minute, why are you so willing to cling to this conspiracy? Why are you so resolute in making Anita Sarkesian the bad guy by any means necessary? What in the hell could she possibly stand to gain by faking something like this? Do you really think this is still about publicity when damn close to everyone who gives a shit already knew her name before any of this happened? Can you in good conscience put death/rape threats past the gaming community at this point?
I didn't think so.

Who said it was 4chan the things all over the place, but if you want it broken down and explained better.

http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself

And no people haven't explained how every single point on that thing can be easily debunked unless you count mindless raging and complete dismissal of facts. I've seen better arguments that the Xbox One is stronger than the PS4.

Anita Sarkesian has been caught lying without shame before and yes I do think this is still about publicity in fact it's perfectly timed. She stands to gain money and attention from this when her over all popularity was in decline. She's made a career out of being a professional victim and even "IF" she didn't orchestrate those Tweets in some way she's milking it for all its worth and deep in the "boy who cried wolf" territory. So No I'm not going to give her the benefit of the doubt no way no how, but why do you care so much, why are you eager to blindly rush to her defense?

You still don't get it do you? This isn't about.....

So nothing thought so.

 

[Zontar]

First off if she doesn't like the threats here's a fun thought stop making yourself a target!

Yeah!

And she dresses like a slut, you know she wanted it! It's her fault she got raped!




Seriously, dude, take a second and think about what you write.

He does have a point, anyone who tries to make a hobby and its user base look bad by lying threw their teeth, and doing so for money, is bound to get flak from members of said user base they are insulting because what do you know, people don't like being called shit for liking the hobbies they do.

It's also more appropriate with Anita, her history with 4chan being best summarised as her spamming their boards with ads for her kickstarter, then using the predictable flak she got for it as fuel for that very same kickstarter.

 

[SadisticFire]

Blackout Steam, steam. The place that has actually been the most accepting community I've seen. The thing that I'm on constantly cause I like the people there and they treat me well. The thing that I like. Yeah, "Fuck those guys/girls! Show them being nice means giving up what you like for an hour!"

I got nothing to contribute other than "What the hell?"

 

[oooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

Except I'm the one pointing out how a persons perspective can influence the magnitude to the problem you're the one claiming their is a binary order to it.

And as such imposing a binary order and being unable to see how perspective impacts the magnitude of a problem.

Binary in this case essentially means something is limited to two options. There is nothing binary about saying there are multiple degrees of attention to give each problem based specifically on that problem. There is when you're saying I'm either accepting your argument or completely dismissing all the problems you bring up. I am claiming something close there being an objective order, which to be fair, there isn't really. But again, I understand what I sometimes go through is bad, at lot worse than many of the people around me. It doesn't begin to compare to a life that involves the fear of being raped or having a marriage and most of your life arranged for you. Individual perspective is actually pretty irrelevant when you're working with millions if not billions of people and the issues that effect people on that scale.

Ok as it appears you've missed my points I'll try another approach.

The man on the Island has two problems, he needs to get milk from the shops and he's stuck on a Island surrounded by Piranhas with no boat and a paper cut. Before he can get the milk, he needs to tackle the rather more important problem stopping him leaving the Island.

However let say a man who does own a boat has two problems Get milk and find out what happened to his friend who went missing while swimming between Islands.

Now in the second case he could do either first, there is no priority as such beyond sentiment, not having milk doesn't stop him finding his friend and not having his friend doesn't stop him getting milk.

I actually had a better idea of what you were saying before this. And yes I did understand that you were saying individual perspective matters, to which I was responding, that if you can see your problems as equivocal to the widespread problems of women being raped, forced out of education, etc, then personal perspective really doesn't matter. I'm going to assume the utilitarian stuff at the end isn't trying to also make it's own point.

No just pointing out the strange stupidity that telling people an act any sane person would identify as bad as being bad isn't going to stop those deranged enough to do it.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, I mean surely that applies to all rape, and in fact any sort of horrific crime in general.

Also while depression isn't exclusively a Men's right issue the dismissal of it or other factors as yet unidentified do lead more men to suicide.

That's fair enough, but half the depressed people I know are female, and imagine being on the other side, struggling with depression and being told it's not actually your issue, it's a women's rights issue that needs to be solved for women.

Given the kinds of threats she usually describes receiving, I fail to see how this new batch of quick-posted, one-time threats are any different.

And even if there was some perceived note of serious intent, the messages themselves are so vague they border on comical. (though malicious)

Public figures receive these sorts of "threats" all the time. In most cases, the more serious and vague the threat sounds the more it is likely from some anonymous troll just trying to be a dick.

Death threats are no laughing matter. Until they are.

None of us here have any authority whatsoever to judge the validity of death threats, so I'm entirely happy to bow to the understanding of those with experience. By the sounds of it, the authorities are involved and I trust them to have a better idea of whats dangerous than a bunch forum posters do.

 

[Gokuofuin]

Two Questions
1) Who the hell is this broad?
2) Why should I care?

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Regardless how much of an issue the sexism in gaming is. All this talk is making people not give a crap about it. Its getting like PETA now, everyone can agree that animal abuse is bad, but now due to all the stupid stunts PETA does everyone now just ignores them or laughs at them. Their message now lost.

Thing is gaming is big business. Companies are not going to make a ton of gender equality games just because people moan. It will take time. When you are spending millions to make a game you are not going to risk it on a project that wont sell. Thing is why just games, what about movies? TV shows? Music videos? Deal with it in real life first, the likes of Miley etc using their bodies to sell albums. Magazines having woman airbrushed to perfection yet selling them as an ideal female figure. Sort this stuff out and im sure games will follow.

Oh gods, its true.

Now I won't be able to look at any 'gaming feminism' thread without laughing now.

 

[disgruntledgamer]

Self-Entitlement, Steam Black Outs, and You: Why This is Silly
By: Carl Batchelor on August 28, 2014 at 8:36 pm @rpgendboss
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File this one under ?Holy self entitlement, Batman?: But apparently some of Anita Sarkeesian?s supports/friends/whatever have started an online petition to get Steam shut down for an hour in a show of protest for Anita?s recent cyber-bullying. Wow.

By now you probably know of the supposed harassment Anita Sarkeesian received for her recent Tropes video and the ensuing fallout, so I won?t waste time repeating it here?since the entire gaming internet has fallen over itself in a mad rush to paint her as the injured, suffering victim. You can?t shake a digital stick right now without bumping into some depressingly apologetic article that grovels at her feet like a wounded dog begging for mercy. As it stands now, you, reading this article, are being told you have to be ashamed to be a gamer and that your hobby is either dead or deserves to die.

All because a fake sockpuppet troll on twitter cyber-bullied Anita Sarkeesian.

Yes, let?s talk about that before we go on, shall we?

Notice anything about this threat maker?

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see this isn?t even real. Ten tweets? Default ?egg? avatar? Every tweet solely devoted to Anita? Smells like a typical sockpuppet troll to me.

But no, Anita, like every other emotionally stunted internet neophyte, thinks this is real. She thinks someone is going to broadcast over the internet their intent to do her harm and that they?ll actually follow through with it. You know, like every single one of us got stabbed when some angry jerk-off on twitter/IRC/4chan/Gfaqs/Gamespot/IGN/ICQ/AOL/Instant Messenger/Facebook/Myspace/Ebaums/Newgrounds/Yahoo/ messaged us and told us they?d kill us. I mean, yeah, we were so totally dead right? I mean, after all, the internet is as real as real life, so if someone says they?ll do something to you online, they will so totally do it in real life, right? It?s like that really hot blonde I met on Yahoo ten years ago who said she had a model body and wanted to ?do me all night?. She totally wasn?t a guy with a beard and severe acne who just turned 53 and lived with his ailing mother. Definitely not. Because, you know, everything on the internet should totally be taken at face value.

Is Anita this dense? Are her supporters that dense? How long have these people been online, anyway? If I went and hid under my bed every time someone told me they were going to kill me online, I would have shriveled up and died behind a locked door ages ago. Newsflash Anita & friends: This is the internet. Saying you?ll rip someone open is pretty much a term of endearment here. Heck, the first time I got on IRC back in 1996, the very first private message I received was from someone telling me he hated (slang term for homosexuals) and that he?d kick my (slang term for rear-end) for coming into his chat room. It?s just how the net is. Even someone as unimportant as me gets crap like that thrown at them on twitter. It?s meaningless. To actually give it power over you is to basically admit you?re too sensitive to be here in the first place.

I know what people will say to that though. But?But?They had her real address! They knew her family!

Ever hear of Google?

It?s shocking what you can find out about someone on Google. Googling my own name revealed an online document detailing the purchase I made of my old house in NJ back in 1999. From that, you could have gotten my address (If I still lived there) the name of my grandmother whom I bought the house from, and how much I paid. Further digging, which wouldn?t take too long, would get you my age, current address, marriage documents and loads of other info?all from easily obtainable public sources. You also wouldn?t be the first person to do it to me either.

Though imagine what a highly visible public internet figure like Anita has sitting out there. Especially if you get one of these highly motivated 4chan types who want to ?dox? her. You?d have names of family members, addresses and god knows what else.

So does merely copy-pasting some googled info with some really poorly written almost joke-quality threats require a call to the FBI and the purchase of a dog? Didn?t we stop taking online death threats seriously back in the late 90s? Isn?t it considered passé by now? Do people actually think they are real? In 2014? Will that 14 year old kid on battle.net sending me hateful messages kill me? Yeah, I?m sure he?ll show up at my house with his noodle arms and try to stab me for doing something to him in a video game.

No, and the real reason Anita made such a big deal of this is due to two things:

#1: It now makes her a sympathetic victim instead of the rabble-rousing negative attention seeker she truly is, and?

#2: It moves all the internet attention away from Zoe Quinn and the scandal involving gaming journalist?s lack of integrity.

It?s really a masterful move on her part, to be honest. I am willing to bet you that when she saw those threats pop up in her @mentions she was jumping up and down for joy and triumphantly texting her pals at Kotaku because she finally had a way to make gamers look like the bad guy again. Sort of like how we found out Adam Sessler and his buddies were in a bar watching Phil get ?hacked? in ?real-time?.

Actually, I wouldn?t be shocked if she purposely created that account and posted the threats herself. If Phil fish can ?hack? himself and pretend the ?leader? of ?Capital letter /V/? got him, then it makes absolutely perfect sense that Anita would borrow the same tactic to make herself look victimized and gain sympathy as well.

It didn?t work for Phil because Phil was a dude. Anita, well, the internet always cries for a girl in danger, so she knew she could rely on people leaving their bullshit detectors at home and jumping to easy (read: incorrect) conclusions.

Maybe I?m wearing too much tinfoil, but I think this was all planned. The SJW crew has been looking for a way to spin this whole fiasco back in everyone else?s faces and get the spotlight away from their own highly suspect shenanigans, and this is the perfect way to do it. Me? I?m not buying it. Two decades of internet use taught me a lot, and the most important lesson is that people lie to gain sympathy. All the time.

And nobody wants/needs sympathy right now in the gaming hobby more than the SJW movement.

Read more at http://nichegamer.net/2014/08/self-entitlement-steam-black-outs-and-you-why-this-is-silly/#oTcAm0XHFA1tyiFd.99


An article on the whole thing very nice and informative read.

 

[Don Incognito]

First off if she doesn't like the threats here's a fun thought stop making yourself a target!

Yeah!

And she dresses like a slut, you know she wanted it! It's her fault she got raped!




Seriously, dude, take a second and think about what you write.

He does have a point, anyone who tries to make a hobby and its user base look bad by lying threw their teeth, and doing so for money, is bound to get flak from members of said user base they are insulting because what do you know, people don't like being called shit for liking the hobbies they do.

It's also more appropriate with Anita, her history with 4chan being best summarised as her spamming their boards with ads for her kickstarter, then using the predictable flak she got for it as fuel for that very same kickstarter.

No, he does NOT have a point.

You don't blame the victim. Period. This is not a hard concept.

 

[Zontar]

No, he does NOT have a point.

You don't blame the victim. Period. This is not a hard concept.

That 'victim' intentionally went out of their way to become one to use it as part of a campaign to make money for a product most people would make for free. I'm sorry, but this is a case where you CAN blame the victim.

Think that you can never, ever blame the victim isn't a hard concept, what IS a hard concept is making it fit reality where there are a long laundry list of cases and crimes and so forth that prove it doesn't work as a model.

This was the internet equivalent of going to a bike bar, telling one of the patrons to punch you in the face, shoving him when he didn't and then complaining when you get the inevitable punch to the face for shoving them.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Honestly, I would love to see Valve shut down Steam for a while and explain that it's because of Anita and the other, Zoe or whatever she's called girl.

The people who made the petition obviously don't understand how people will react so... let them experience it first hand.
They will learn something, I'm sure of it.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Yes because its fucking Valve's fault that you get trolled so much?

 

[Don Incognito]

No, he does NOT have a point.

You don't blame the victim. Period. This is not a hard concept.

That 'victim' intentionally went out of their way to become one to use it as part of a campaign to make money for a product most people would make for free. I'm sorry, but this is a case where you CAN blame the victim.

Think that you can never, ever blame the victim isn't a hard concept, what IS a hard concept is making it fit reality where there are a long laundry list of cases and crimes and so forth that prove it doesn't work as a model.

This was the internet equivalent of going to a bike bar, telling one of the patrons to punch you in the face, shoving him when he didn't and then complaining when you get the inevitable punch to the face for shoving them.

No.

No one is responsible for your actions other than YOU.

You can not control what other people do. You can only control what you do.

So if someone threatened her life or safety, it is NOT her fault, no matter how much you disagree with what she said.

 

[Zontar]

No, he does NOT have a point.

You don't blame the victim. Period. This is not a hard concept.

That 'victim' intentionally went out of their way to become one to use it as part of a campaign to make money for a product most people would make for free. I'm sorry, but this is a case where you CAN blame the victim.

Think that you can never, ever blame the victim isn't a hard concept, what IS a hard concept is making it fit reality where there are a long laundry list of cases and crimes and so forth that prove it doesn't work as a model.

This was the internet equivalent of going to a bike bar, telling one of the patrons to punch you in the face, shoving him when he didn't and then complaining when you get the inevitable punch to the face for shoving them.

No.

No one is responsible for your actions other than YOU.

You can not control what other people do. You can only control what you do.

So if someone threatened her life or safety, it is NOT her fault, no matter how much you disagree with what she said.

She literally spammed 4chan to get harassment sent towards her to use as fuel for her kickstarter campaign. This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing with her, it's about her literally having gone out of her way to intentionally get harassment sent her way.

You can't cry victim after going out of your way to try to become a victim. It also doesn't help that her leaving her home because of threats sent her way was proven to be faked, either that or she can somehow respond to harassment before it occurred.

 

[Inglorious891]

You know what? I want this to happen.

Not because I think it's a good idea; just the opposite.

If this happens and a potential 4 million people, who have never heard of Zoe Quinn, can't play their video games because of it, hoy boy the shit storm that erupt will be beautiful. All of the Zoe/gaming journalism stuff seems to be winding down, but if this happens that's a potentail 4 million people who will know, and I doubt most of them will be happy.

So let the blackout come; if it hits I'll be monitoring twitter afterwords, twirling a cigar and laughing at the chaos.