A Question for all you Global Warming skeptics
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I think most global warming skeptics believe, not that it isnt happening, but that we're powerless to stop it. This is what I believe, but I believe that we're certainly speeding up the process, and that we can slow it down. However, I doubt that energy will ever be renewable AND sustainable, although I hope hydrogen will replace fossil fuels.
The Ice Age and Global Warming are two completely different things.Rex Fallout said:
It's been proven that in the past 100-110 years, Human Activity, whether that be mass deforestation or burning of fossil fuels have drastically peaked CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
It's also been proven that more CO2 = more infrared radiation that can't escape through the atmosphere (heating basically...)
So taking this into account, "it gets hot, it gets cold" is true, but add human activity, through burning of fossil fuels, and you get "it gets hotter, it gets colder" We do not effect the climate directly, it doesn't change the cycle of getting hot and then cooling, we just speed this up by pumping CO2 into the atmosphere.
It's snowing in MAY... after the harshest winter in Minnesota records for decades. I'm starting to have my doubts about global warming... more to the point, even if it is happening what can I really do about it? Especially when at any point a volcano can erupt and undo all of our green efforts from the past several years in a matter of days.
I believe it's happening definitely but it's not having as much of a current affect as people are ranting about, plus the whole ice caps melting is like a ice cube in a drink melting, where it doesn't really have as much of an effect as everyone thinks, but also hell yes I think we should be stopping it from happening...that's contribution 
I believe it's happening definitely but it's not having as much of a current affect as people are ranting about, plus the whole ice caps melting is like a ice cube in a drink melting, where it doesn't really have as much of an effect as everyone thinks, but also hell yes I think we should be stopping it from happening...that's contribution
What part of global warming reads 'ice age' to you?Rosetta said:
Does ice come about from a rising temperature now?
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Okay, you can sod right off.
Did you read the part about not being an arse with your opinion? Heed it.
I agree with this completely (and you can see plenty of actual science backing this up if you read 'State of Fear' by Michael Crichton) but I do think that we should be trying to 'go green' because while I believe global warming is utter nonsense, there are a myriad of other things that humanity is doing that have substantial adverse effects on the environment.Rosetta said:
I agree with most of this, though I think it is hard to say that all we do is not changing it at allRosetta said:
I just have problem with anyone wishing to "close the debate".
First of all, for the intelligent opposition, it isn't the existence of global warming we doubt. What we doubt is the cause. Actual research into global warming causes is done in very flawed methods that fail to test for the many confounding variables. And furthermore, my personal opposition to the global warming people isn't their interest in furthering research into alternative and cleaner-burning fuels, if indeed that is their goal at all - something else I genuinely doubt.TheRealCJ said:
No, my opposition comes to all the bullshit that goes into it. Al Gore, who is essentially the poster child of this movement, is a fucking fear-monger, discarding fact and scientific rigor in favor of making a political point and garnering followers; followers who have gone on to interfere with the scientific process by hunting out Spanish Inquisition style any who even dare to suggest that Gore's position might not be correct. The thing that sickens me the most, though, is that it's all needless. You don't need some bullshit about saving the world to give people a reason to do all the things Gore is trying to push. Just the many benefits to human health are enough, but instead of sticking to the things that all rational and logical people would go for, he gives blowjobs to the environmental special interest groups so that they will continue to fund his political campaigns.
You know what? Read this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300661/posts Probably the best article on why the global warming political movement is a totally fucked up piece of shit.
I am a sceptic towards the concept of global warming for a simple reason; I think we'll run out of resources before we even get that far, and that'll perform the apocalypse for us.TheRealCJ said:
Fact of the matter is, your statement is a generalisation. I'm not against preventative measures at all, but I am against screaming my argument from the rooftops and telling everyone to go green without any solid evidence to back myself up. Global Warming is still a theory, and while there isn't any solid counter-evidence either, I'd rather concentrate on the fact rather than theory.
Ok, maybe there will be sea level rises in the next fifty years. Within that time we'll be out of coal, oil, gold, silver, copper, diamond, silicon and well on our way to having no more gas as well.
Frankly, I can see a lot more logic in resource preservation, changing lifestyles and alternative energy as a device to save our economies and general social fabric than using Global Warming as a hypothesis to push those solutions.
tl;dr: Ignore Al Gore, concentrate on dwindling reserves of resources.
Yes, I'm a geography student.
I'm going to have to go with this. Some people just look at recent science of temperatures going up and other things changing. But that's not giving a whole picture; you need to look at ALL of the science and see that this is going to happen regardless of what we do.Rosetta said:
As for all that "going green" stuff; stop pretending it's about global warming and saving the environment. It's about trying to save ourselves and making shitloads of money off hippies.
Another point we "arrogant" humans need to spot. Is 20-30 years of cold and hot ups and downs.GWarface said:
Mean nothing.
The planet is billions of years old, 20-30 years couldn't show a real change in anything. It's like seeing if someone is prematurely aging by watching them for a microsecond.
Oh don't forget the northern lights the good old aurora borealis the so called hole in the ooze that existed since human history was recorded, yet we made it only with the last 100 years of industry.
Oh and how it fluctuates as well, and we only freak about the "loss" but never report the equal regaining.
All for nature and protecting it, not for lies, misinformation to fund scientists.
I think I explained it fairly clearly to you already, but since you seemed unable to actually understand that, let me make it simple.Rosetta said:
1) The Earth heats up.
2) The polar caps begin to melt as a result of the increased temperature
3) There is an increase in fresh water in the oceans as a result of melting ice caps
4) The average density of the ocean water changes as salt water and fresh water have different densities
5) The underwater belts which control the flow of water in the oceans slow down and eventually stop as a result of the change in density
6) There is no longer hot water moving from the equator to towards the poles as the belts have stopped
7) A dramatic drop in temperature in the Northern and Southern regions of the Earth as a result of the lack of warm ocean water
8) Ice age
There have already been multiple cases of ocean life dying of hyperthermia near Northern as a result of the decrease in ocean temperature in the North.
That what I liked to point out as "Twisted History"Elcarsh said:
From the Columbus discovered American (he did not) looking for India (India did not exist it was called Hindustan) to the nature loving American indians were so meanly taken over and never fought back, oh and don't forget the left out Aztecs,Mayans and Egyptians who did brain surgery, made astrological charts with no telescopes or satellites and accurate calenders.
Cause you have to teach kids dumbed down history...not what's real. Which sums up global warming to me perfectly. It's real cause a scientists says so...to save his job.