Sorry what I meant is "know". What we're talking about is belief not the actual truth.Mortai Gravesend said:Well why go into that when the grounds for you claiming it is extraordinary are blatantly false?zehydra said:I know what I think it means, I just want to make sure we're on the same page. To me, any claim that says that "something which is non-falsifiable is false" is an extraordinary claim, because you suggest or imply that you have made an assertion which is illogical. That is, you are saying that (x which cannot be known to be true or false) is false. A contradiction.Mortai Gravesend said:"Oh hey I'm going to use a word and when someone calls me on it then I'm going to ask them to define it hehehe"zehydra said:Explain then explicitly what you mean by "extraordinary".Mortai Gravesend said:Non-falsifiable does not mean extraordinary. Seriously, you're trying way too hard to fit this where it doesn't. To claim that something non-falsifiable is false is not extraordinary. It does not mean you have evidence of anything to make a claim. So no, that logic is bunk.zehydra said:because it is non-falsifiable. Any claim that something which is non-falsifiable is false is extraordinary, no? It means you have evidence for that which there is none, which to me is pretty damn extraordinary.Mortai Gravesend said:How the hell is the claim that there is no being that is above all known laws of physics an extraordinary claim?zehydra said:Unfortunately the existence of a God is an extraordinary claim, but unfortunately so is the claim that one does not exist at all.
Yeah, no. That's just stupid. If you don't know what it means, why the hell were you using it?
Now will you PLEASE tell me what YOU think extraordinary means to we can avoid senseless communication?
It is not a contradiction to say that something you can't know to be false is false. It would be a contradiction to say that you *know* it to be false, not to say it *is* false. Your logic there is really shoddy.
That is, it is a contradiction to suppose that a non-falsifiable thing is knowably false, which is what a person who actively believes that there is no god believes.