Anonymous Attacks US Government
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Yeah, we get it Anonymous: You're a bunch of brats with an inflated sense of entitlement who think you're better than everyone else because you're good with computers.
I hope they cross a line eventually and really get themselves in trouble.
I hope they cross a line eventually and really get themselves in trouble.
That depends on who you ask, and what exactly it is they want.Verlander said:
Some people just want to be able to get stuff for free.
The other side of the coin is what's commonly called 'fair use', which as a concept doesn't necessarily exist in the laws of a lot of countries.
Think of all the fan-made 'tribute' projects that get shut down due to copyright laws...
And then consider a site like the escapist...
If they wanted to, I'm sure it'd be possible to get most of the escapist content removed on copyright violation terms.
Sure it's probably 'fair use', but laws keep getting more and more restrictive.
It comes down to a battle between who has control over content.
Should the Author have absolute and unquestionable control over anything and everything anyone does with their work?
Should the general public be able to do whatever they feel like with anyone's IP?
But more importantly, where does the balance fall between these two extremes?
I get the feeling that somehow, this will end up with some black ops sneaking in and blowing 4chan's main servers into shit =P
to quote that random-ass marine from halo 2, "This is bad. Real bad." everything else had no actual power, the government...just doesn't seem like a good idea.
It infringes on already existing rights; so-called 'natural rights'. These are ideas that go back to the Magna Carta and were given distinct form in the Enlightenment, which is reflected in the constitution of the United States. You have the right for example to write stuff and pass it around; by what right does anyone else have to physically stop you putting a pen to paper? The First Amendment forbids the US government from making any law that infringes on this. But a special exception is made for copyright.Verlander said:
The original justification for copyright laws in light of the rights they infringe on was that they were there to protect public access to information; so supporting the principle of free expression rather than interfering with it. The argument was that if authors had some limited copyrights over their work then they would get a return on their investment in it, encouraging them to make more original work. It would all eventually be freely available in the public domain once the exclusive copyrights expired.
A far cry from modern copyright law; which exists for and serves the polar opposite purpose.
Anon isn't an organized group per se. It's not like it has any listed members. Anonymous is just a name that people doing these things give themselves. It has no leaders or anything. As the poster before said, they're mostly bored trolls.Talvrae said:
Granted, the title does conjure up images of wanton destruction, not of minor inconvenience, but does it ultimately matter? I'm really not sure whether or not copyright law is flawed (although every lawyer of the RIAA deserves to get repeatedly anally violated by an irate rhinoceros), but hey, free entertainment. Now if only they could do to the RIAA's site what they did to Gene Simmon's site...
Prediction: Like what happened with chanology, Anonymous will develop several more large and toothed angry heads that will eat and consume this one.
I respect what they're doing, to a degree - piracy is still "theft" for want of a better word (like "piracy"), but I just want everyone to know that I fucking called it when we get headlines like "Anonymous attack Operation Payback".
I respect what they're doing, to a degree - piracy is still "theft" for want of a better word (like "piracy"), but I just want everyone to know that I fucking called it when we get headlines like "Anonymous attack Operation Payback".
The source is an interview conducted by Panda Labs - http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/an-interview-with-anonymous/Woem said:
As for who said it, I can't tell you. The group is called Anonymous for a reason.
Ok. Well I'm... I'm not exactly against piracy, but I'm not for it. Far as I'm concerned, it's always gonna be there. I don't care.
Anyway, well I don't agree with the methods of Anonymous, they are amusing.
Although, was this about piracy at all, or were they just protesting copyright laws? I suppose the two are hand in hand really.
Anyway, well I don't agree with the methods of Anonymous, they are amusing.
Although, was this about piracy at all, or were they just protesting copyright laws? I suppose the two are hand in hand really.
At which the governments of the world release their deadly neurotoxins and make the Internet a happier place.Logan Westbrook said:
this is a triumph...
-- Steve
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The greater irony (for me, anyway) is that Anonymous's first "big" target was the Church of Scientology, which also had an "Operation Payback"... which was also illegal.Zeeky_Santos said:
Why do I get the feeling that Anonymous are only going to make things worse? I mean, declaring war on Gene Simmons was just hilarious, but I don't think the Government will react well if they keep it up. If we act like children, they're going to keep on treating us like children, including taking our toys away. Clearly we're not mature enough to use them.
I admit, I've pirated songs. I don't like the idea of pirating films, and usually I've got no problem with buying my music, but occasionally there's something you can't find anywhere else. So I've no real problem on the crackdown on piracy, it's the restrictions of Fair Use that bother me. They're coming down far too hard on anything that even vaguely resembles copyright infringement, and it ends up upsetting a lot of people. Things like tribute videos or putting a song in the background of your own work isn't hurting anyone, or so I think. My university can't even use pictures in lecture slides any more, or else they'll get fined.
I don't know much about copyright law but I think the system needs a re-think, because right now it isn't going too well. We've taken baby steps in terms of Creative Commons, but we need compromise, because it isn't ever going to go away completely. At least, that's my opinion.
I admit, I've pirated songs. I don't like the idea of pirating films, and usually I've got no problem with buying my music, but occasionally there's something you can't find anywhere else. So I've no real problem on the crackdown on piracy, it's the restrictions of Fair Use that bother me. They're coming down far too hard on anything that even vaguely resembles copyright infringement, and it ends up upsetting a lot of people. Things like tribute videos or putting a song in the background of your own work isn't hurting anyone, or so I think. My university can't even use pictures in lecture slides any more, or else they'll get fined.
I don't know much about copyright law but I think the system needs a re-think, because right now it isn't going too well. We've taken baby steps in terms of Creative Commons, but we need compromise, because it isn't ever going to go away completely. At least, that's my opinion.