The Cheshire said:Excuuuuuse me princesses, but these people have little to do with the PSN hack, which by the way hasn't been proved to find it's guilty part in Anonymous.
These people were attacking websites of the Spanish goverment after several quite unjustified actions done by said goverment, who are a bunch of corrupt assholes that kneel before banks and markets and sell our rights to the market economy. That said, these people also attacked several websites of the goverments involved in the repression of the Arab Spring revolts. So yes, they have my support, I hope they get released.
The situation in Spain is pretty bad at the moment, corruption is at it's tops and nothing is being done to solve it, Anonymous is one of the groups who is trying to give these assholes on the top a lesson. Why anyone should be happy about this arrest is a mistery to me.
I don't know.GHudston said:Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?
Just let your freedom be stolen by everyone.(sarcasm) Anonymous defends our freedom, they are working for ideals.Mumorpuger said:I really hate Anonymous. Their "boilerplate response" only adds to my annoyance.
I cant see how you see this as a good day. millions of dollars(tax payer dollars) are being spent every day and the best they can come up with is 3? Not to mention that they probably are not even leaders considering that Anon has no real leaders just justifies that they are trying to make themselves look good to the public. All they really did was take 3 legs off of a centipede and if my biology serves right a centipede can still move with 3 legs missing.Awexsome said:Huzzah! A good day for the world to see these criminals apprehended!
It depends. Arresting three /b/tards using scripts someone else wrote to attack a website will do nothing. Arresting three hackers who know what they're doing well enough to break into PSN and steal credit card numbers will do a lot of damage. If there are thousands of people working with Anonymous, you can bet only a handful will actually have any real impact. The rest are there just to serve as cannon fodder should shit hit the fan.Fasckira said:Three hackers in Spain does not equal the Anon collective there?
Considering Anon is "supposed" to be leaderless too, arresting 3 guys wont really have that much of an effect, aside from perhaps scaring those who know the three a little.
There's no such thing as a leaderless group, we as humans always follow the alpha no matter how hard we try to avoid it. If anon is a group, then they'll have a leader, they'd probably not even realize it or like to admit it, but they will be. Not to sound cliche but its human nature as a social, tribal species.Saltyk said:I don't know.GHudston said:Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?
But maybe, just maybe, and this is a stretch, I know, Anon isn't quite as leaderless as they want people to think. It's kind of hard to organize anything if everyone is just doing whatever the hell they want. In all likely hood, these men were the leaders of certain operations, not the group as a whole. If you've ever been involved in any group work, you probably have an idea of what I am talking about.
The choice of what people do with their personal data should be left with them and not at the whims of an internet group. Doing that pretty much puts them in the whole "Do what we say or else" area.Wulfheri said:Excuse me, I think that the PSN attacks were with a REASON. To show people how important privacy is. Never give personal data away, that's their message.
Yep, telling us what we can and can't do with our personal information is really defending our freedoms to do what we like...Wulfheri said:Just let your freedom be stolen by everyone.(sarcasm) Anonymous defends our freedom, they are working for ideals.Mumorpuger said:I really hate Anonymous. Their "boilerplate response" only adds to my annoyance.
I must've skipped that line. It would teach me to do 6 things at a time. I've edited it out anow I'm wondering if we'll see a domino effect from this.Avaholic03 said:Why? It was my understanding that Anonymous threw these guys under the bus already.Random Argument Man said:I'll expect a reaction from Anonymous as some point.
Yeah, that was kind of my point. If Anon truly had no organization or leadership, they would never accomplish anything as a group. The existence of AnonOps kind of underscores that.Sovvolf said:There's no such thing as a leaderless group, we as humans always follow the alpha no matter how hard we try to avoid it. If anon is a group, then they'll have a leader, they'd probably not even realize it or like to admit it, but they will be. Not to sound cliche but its human nature as a social, tribal species.Saltyk said:I don't know.GHudston said:Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?
But maybe, just maybe, and this is a stretch, I know, Anon isn't quite as leaderless as they want people to think. It's kind of hard to organize anything if everyone is just doing whatever the hell they want. In all likely hood, these men were the leaders of certain operations, not the group as a whole. If you've ever been involved in any group work, you probably have an idea of what I am talking about.
That argument never made any sense to me. Justice has nothing to do with a person's intelligence.similar.squirrel said:Because a crime is a crime, and criminals are criminals. And because I couldn't frag for two whole weeks.Raiyan 1.0 said:Waiting for Escapists to demand they be punished by prison rape, performed by state-sponsored rapists.
I'm sort of neutral on this issue. They were stupid enough to get caught, so they deserved to.
Exactly, I have the funny feeling that the Spanish government really doesn't understand this thing at all.GHudston said:Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?