Anonymous PSN Attackers Arrested in Spain
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Yes because they were obviously justified in the attacks of PSN by hurting Sony, many developers including indie developers who can't afford setbacks, and the consumer is also affected in negative ways.Wulfheri said:
With this mindset you could justify anything that anyone does as long as it may benefit security or something else in the future.
I am sure that Sony and other companies will put more money into securing their servers in hopes attacks like these won't happen again which will in turn help the consumer and developers, however to say that was their reason just to "show" Sony their vulnerability and teach consumers a lesson is just absurd
Highly doubt these guys have anything to do with what the police are saying.
Most likely scape goats to keep their population in check.
Also: Those who believe everything is AS IS in these type of news articles, have no idea that government agencies and police lie to us all the time.
Most likely scape goats to keep their population in check.
Also: Those who believe everything is AS IS in these type of news articles, have no idea that government agencies and police lie to us all the time.
The Cracked article? You realize that doesn't have any credibility whatsoever, and bringing it up in a discussion instantly invalidates your opinion, yes?Frostbite3789 said:
But on to the real part: I never claimed that bringing down the governments' websites had any influence on the outcome of the uprisings. However, they helped shut down information lines, which was more than anybody in the West did. I really have no idea why you replied to my post, given that you had nothing of substance to add sans a rather trite rant, but the sheer amount of projecting you're doing is absolutely hilarious!
I'm a little hesitant to comment on this because I Facebook commented on one of the stories and, for my opinion, got the hell insulted out of me by several teenagers in bars (judging from their pictures) who didn't bother to support their argument, simply saying that I was "slowing down our evolution" because I had the radical notion that someone committing a crime should suffer some sort of punishment, and telling me to "go live in my fairy world where nobody is ever bad", despite the fact that I was speaking in opposition to people doing illegal things (pretty sure that's recognizing that people can be bad). This ruffled my feathers a bit, because I cannot tolerate the "I'm right because I say so" mindset (anyone here who recognizes me knows that I don't pick fights, and I'm always courteous to everyone regardless of their opinions, so when I don't get the same courtesy in return, I don't care about what you have to say anymore). Since then, I've been a bit hesitant to weigh in on the hacking stories, but here I go:
Anon, your reputation already took a hefty hit for your supposed association with the PSN outage. I still don't think it was an organized group attack, so I never wished you as an organization any ill will. But ponder this: Sending a thinly veiled threat, apparently aimed at a police force, for arresting people suspected of illegal activity...that's not really making you look like the good guys. Hell, I'll come out an just say it: threatening the police for doing their jobs outright makes you the bad guys.
Anon, your reputation already took a hefty hit for your supposed association with the PSN outage. I still don't think it was an organized group attack, so I never wished you as an organization any ill will. But ponder this: Sending a thinly veiled threat, apparently aimed at a police force, for arresting people suspected of illegal activity...that's not really making you look like the good guys. Hell, I'll come out an just say it: threatening the police for doing their jobs outright makes you the bad guys.
you'll see.
I'm a bit short on popcorn
*goes back to the kitchen*
Alright back... Well this is something entertaining to watch to be honest. It's really watching a bunch of hypocrites (on both sides) have a go at it.
Anon is bad... So is sony for pulling some BS with the ps3. I can't say I hate one more than the other, but mainly because I wasn't affected
*goes back to the kitchen*
Alright back... Well this is something entertaining to watch to be honest. It's really watching a bunch of hypocrites (on both sides) have a go at it.
Anon is bad... So is sony for pulling some BS with the ps3. I can't say I hate one more than the other, but mainly because I wasn't affected
Anonymous has been proven to do things pretty extreme. I'm not picking sides, but they ARE legion. Those three guys in Spain would have so much Anonymous support if they receive a more expected sentence of 10 to 15 years. The amount of money they were having corporations shell for more cyber-security was gargantuan in size, which doesn't weigh up to the 3 years they might have to spend in prison.
LOL what? I understood half that. oh and insulting people based upon what country they are in does get people warnings, is rude and is racist.Robot Overlord said:
As an american i am fine with how the government of spain does whatever it does in acordance with the laws of spain. as in I dont give a rats ass how they punish them, or how they deal with evidence.
If they get 2 years, well thats what they get and i think the time does fit the crime. As for evidence? i think the world needs to see it. what exact crimes were commited and to who? were they involved in the DDOS attack against Sony or were they involved in the hack or both? then they should be extradited to the USA and be tried here for that and pay out the 2 years Spain gave them and whatever added ontop of it for the Sony attacks. But the question is what evidence is there to support it? was it they were on the chat channel when the DDOS was planned but did not involve themselves? If thats the case then etradition would not be needed for a petty crime of not reporting it.
You need to realize that hacking a system across international borders that have extradition treaties can and usualy will be prosecuted in the country the hack affected if extradition is requested or the country of origin is given the job of trial and punishing them.
So like I said if the evidence states that they were involved in the PSN hack then yes American law will apply once the Spanish court system finishes with them. We have treaties for international crimes and that would fall into them.
Actually I mostly felt the need to let you know how utterly ridiculous it was for you to say they deserved medals for doing absolutely nothing.thethingthatlurks said:
"Hey, I know you robbed a bank just now, but here's a medal for planting a tree. That one time."
They caught them because the FBI have computer experts too. There was a story a few days ago, in which it was revealed that the FBI have thoroughly infiltrated hacking communities - as many as 1/4 "hackers" are apparently government informants (it's pretty easy for the police to roll hackers when they meet face-to-face) or are agents themselves.
I'll bet the FBI actually know the identities of a lot of the hackers, but haven't arrested them yet and are hoping to get more names, info and evidence to build a case. If I was an Anonymous member, I would go dark for a while.
Anonymous could have been a good thing. I don't disagree with all that they did, but they started to get arrogant, vindictive and their very chaotic nature meant that criminals would (and did) join their group and use their name. Their biggest strength ended up being their biggest PR liability. They thought they were invincible. No one is. Not the government, and not Anonymous.
If Anonymous stuck to purely political activism (exposing real government and corporate corruption) then I'd be all for them. But they didn't. Say what you will, Sony is not Evil Inc. Had Anonymous hacked BAE systems to try to find corrupt dealings with Saudi Officials, I'd be out there on the street protesting for their release. But they didn't - they engaged in petulant, almost childish attacks on entertainment companies. Some big righteous freedom fighters they were.
And their actions carried risks. Maybe they were too young to realize that if you fight people, they will (and can!) fight back. They aren't the only ones with computers, and the NSA have some pretty nasty technical and information gathering capabilities. You wave a flag at a bull, expect it to charge.
I'll bet the FBI actually know the identities of a lot of the hackers, but haven't arrested them yet and are hoping to get more names, info and evidence to build a case. If I was an Anonymous member, I would go dark for a while.
Anonymous could have been a good thing. I don't disagree with all that they did, but they started to get arrogant, vindictive and their very chaotic nature meant that criminals would (and did) join their group and use their name. Their biggest strength ended up being their biggest PR liability. They thought they were invincible. No one is. Not the government, and not Anonymous.
If Anonymous stuck to purely political activism (exposing real government and corporate corruption) then I'd be all for them. But they didn't. Say what you will, Sony is not Evil Inc. Had Anonymous hacked BAE systems to try to find corrupt dealings with Saudi Officials, I'd be out there on the street protesting for their release. But they didn't - they engaged in petulant, almost childish attacks on entertainment companies. Some big righteous freedom fighters they were.
And their actions carried risks. Maybe they were too young to realize that if you fight people, they will (and can!) fight back. They aren't the only ones with computers, and the NSA have some pretty nasty technical and information gathering capabilities. You wave a flag at a bull, expect it to charge.