Awful Characters Find Their Way Into ME3

[Avatar Roku]

Well, I'll take the new character over Kaiden or Ashley. I'm just pointing out that it's somewhat odd that they're, in your terms, filling a niche that (regardless of the player's actions) will have already been filled. As for complaining about old characters, it was moreso the virtue that I didn't enjoy them as party members that I took issue with. I'd be more than okay with Wrex or Liara returning, as well as (almost) anyone from ME2.

Maybe I should clarify. I was referring to the fact that every ME1 squadmate seems to be leading some kind of faction. For example, Tali is influential among the Migrant Fleet (if she was found innocent), Wrex leads the Krogan, I'd be shocked if Garrus didn't get another badass squad together, etc. It's possible the Human Survivor from ME1 will be influential enough in the Alliance to get help. Sanders seems more like a straight-up squadmate.

Ah, okay, that makes sense, I see what you mean.

One has to wonder though, based on all the recruitable characters they've confirmed from both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, how much room is going to be left for new recruitable characters. I'd at least like a couple few, maybe two or three, if that's not too much to ask. Then again, maybe ME 3 will just have a "crazy huge" roster. After all, the roster jumped from 6 to 11 characters from 1 to 2 (not including DLC characters from 2).

See my above post, I sort of have an idea about that. Basically, I think that the ME1 (and maybe ME2) squadmates will only be in for 1 mission each in which you unite their factions behind you. Before and after that, they just stay with their people and try to rally them. Then, you get new squadmates like Sanders who are with you the whole time.

On that subject, something else just occurred to me. The Game Informer article said that the Salarian homeworld is in turmoil because of the Genophage, and the Geth and Migrant Fleet are at war, and you'll have to settle those conflicts. What if you have to choose between Wrex and Mordin, and between Tali and Legion? That would be awesome and a kick in the balls at the same time.

 

[Silent Biohazard Solid]

It's all a matter of opinion, who's a good character and who isn't. And while most people say that they didn't like Alenko, frnakly, I liked Ashley better than Liara.

 

[DeadSpaced]

Well, I'll take the new character over Kaiden or Ashley. I'm just pointing out that it's somewhat odd that they're, in your terms, filling a niche that (regardless of the player's actions) will have already been filled. As for complaining about old characters, it was moreso the virtue that I didn't enjoy them as party members that I took issue with. I'd be more than okay with Wrex or Liara returning, as well as (almost) anyone from ME2.

Maybe I should clarify. I was referring to the fact that every ME1 squadmate seems to be leading some kind of faction. For example, Tali is influential among the Migrant Fleet (if she was found innocent), Wrex leads the Krogan, I'd be shocked if Garrus didn't get another badass squad together, etc. It's possible the Human Survivor from ME1 will be influential enough in the Alliance to get help. Sanders seems more like a straight-up squadmate.

Ah, okay, that makes sense, I see what you mean.

One has to wonder though, based on all the recruitable characters they've confirmed from both Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, how much room is going to be left for new recruitable characters. I'd at least like a couple few, maybe two or three, if that's not too much to ask. Then again, maybe ME 3 will just have a "crazy huge" roster. After all, the roster jumped from 6 to 11 characters from 1 to 2 (not including DLC characters from 2).

See my above post, I sort of have an idea about that. Basically, I think that the ME1 (and maybe ME2) squadmates will only be in for 1 mission each in which you unite their factions behind you. Before and after that, they just stay with their people and try to rally them. Then, you get new squadmates like Sanders who are with you the whole time.

On that subject, something else just occurred to me. The Game Informer article said that the Salarian homeworld is in turmoil because of the Genophage, and the Geth and Migrant Fleet are at war, and you'll have to settle those conflicts. What if you have to choose between Wrex and Mordin, and between Tali and Legion? That would be awesome and a kick in the balls at the same time.

Yikes, yeah, tough decisions are ahead, if such is the case. Here's to hoping that I can level up my persuasive abilities to dodge such a problem (I was able to get out of the Tali-Legion spat in Mass Effect 2 without losing loyalty from either...Miranda/Jack, I wasn't so lucky with).

 

[HandsomeJack]

Did you learn about the characters via one-line quips from someone who didnt like the game, or do you abridge every person/character you encounter to the point of parody?

Ash has GOOD reason to be distrustful. The first two things the Krogan did when they got access to space travel was genocide a species and try to conquer the galaxy. When the Turians first encountered humans was try to genocide them.

Moreover, they are on the equivalent of the first nuclear submarine...concerns about persons who arent SWORN LOYALS having access makes a hell of a lot of sense.

As for Kaiden being emo...I dont think it counts as emo if you carry yourself with dignity and only express your harships when asked. Sounds like a normal human to me. He doesnt even go into it unless you ask him. If he spouted the stuff unsolicited, I would say he was a little damaged. If he also injected it into all his flavor text when you are walking around, I would agree with you.

Glad Garrus is back, Tali better be back too...they are the two lynchpins! And although I doubt it will happen I want Urdnot Wrex back in my party! ME1 my party was Wrex/Tali all the time. ME2 it was Garrus/Tali as oft as I could get away with. In ME2 both Garrus and Tali really got to come into thier own more and became far more awesome for it...if Wrex comes back and gets a similar awesome injection I fear ME3 will become a singularity of epic awesome from which I may never escape!

The only character I dont want to see again is Jack...she needs to get over herself...

 

[jboking]

Bah. As long as I have Garrus, Tali, and possibly Wrex, I am fine.

All three will be in the game, but Tali and Wrex won't be in your party at all. Garrus will be the only one on your list that you actually get to use in ME3.


OT: I liked Ashley and Kaiden. Also, as I put myself in the story, it was actually a little difficult to choose who would die. Ultimately it was Kaiden who died, but whatever. Either way, thought, this probably won't effect my ME3 play. Garrus - all day, every day. I do wish I had Wrex back though. Garrus and him made for great diversity in the party.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

This probably the reason they weren't recruitable in ME2 - they wanted at least one of them alive for canon - same with Liara.

Agreed. Although i'm sure that it would be interesting to see how 3 plays out in a file where everyone (or the max amount of people) died in 2.

 

[Omnific One]

Um, I wanted my old squadmates, so, in essence, PS3 players can deal with it.

F*** yeah for Garrus and Liara as my squad. It's gonna be good to have that back.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

No amount of conversation or logic seemed to pry her away from her convictions.

Just like people in real life. Did you really think Shepard would be that charismatic that he'd change some people's core belief. We all have to work with people we disagree with; we just don't have to bang them. I think the clash of ideologies made the game more realistic.

 

[Saint Anaeis]

i made sure that all my characters survived in ME1&2 even Kelly!, except for Kadain, some sacrifices had to be made. So i say the more the merrier, hopefully with more characters we can finally go down to the 5th deck of the Normandy.
but thats just me. and I'm weird, like "if i had a room on the Destiny from ST:U how would i decorate it?" weird.
--whispers-- the answer is: "like star trek"

 

[DeadSpaced]

No amount of conversation or logic seemed to pry her away from her convictions.

Just like people in real life. Did you really think Shepard would be that charismatic that he'd change some people's core belief. We all have to work with people we disagree with; we just don't have to bang them. I think the clash of ideologies made the game more realistic.

Programmed_For_Darr, I completely agree with you that the game was more in line with how actual interactions happen in real life. I was jokingly lamenting that fact that, unlike in most video games, two to three minutes of persuasive dialogue was not enough to make her see the err of her ways...like when I defused the impasse that Tali and Legion arrived at later in the game.

 

[urahara75]

So long as Jack, Samara, and Liara stay away things are fine. (Why is every Asari either evil or personality-deficient?)

Heeyyy... I resent those remarks (okay, just a little bit). I'll remind you that canonically, Asari are overall (pretty much) the most Spock-like species, save for Geth. As the oldest space-fairing species still in existence, they see themselves as the "Big Sis'" of the galaxy, and conduct themselves more like Jedi towards non-Jedi. As such, being known for their keen, tactful, inflective, and reserved nature is most prominent/forthcoming when individuals of other species interact with them.

Concerning Samara tho': did we even play the same loyalty mission?? The lady was on a (semi)personal die-hard quest. She couldn't exactly afford to flippantly meet-&-greet and have deep expository conversations while her sociopathic vamp of a daughter is perusing the galaxy for her next queue of sex-sucker/victims. Idle dialogue outside of her story arc suggests Samara has tons of character, but being a Justicar obviously comes before any other aspect of her life. If you can hold her "lack of character" against her, you can do the same for Jacob, Grunt, Legion, (sometimes) Miranda, and (sometimes) Garrus who also seem to have stretches of one-track trains of thought as well.

Oh yeah, list of non-villain Asari: Aethyta (matriarch bartender on Ilium), Aria T'Loak (yeah, a merc, I know-- but a badass, chaotic-neutral merc), Lidanya (matriarch-commander of the Citadel dreadnaught from ME), Mallene Calis (businesswoman on Noveria who contracts you for that corporate espionage mission in ME), Shiala (Asari that got mind-hacked/"Grand Theft Me"'d by the Thorian). Keep in mind that the Asari encountered in ME that are not aligned with anyone or organization side are usually civilian NPCs.

 

[Karyyk]

This kind of ticks me off. If Bioware's idea of fixing any "roster discrepancies" that may or may not have happened due to characters being killed at the end of ME2 is to basically cut them out of ME3 entirely (or reduce them to pointless cameos) then I'm going to be hugely disappointed here. I'm hoping they're better than that.

 

[Brutal Peanut]

Pffft, I just hope there is a way to kick Miranda off my ship in ME3...or kill her off. Whichever.

That's right,.. I said it! I hate MIRANDA!

 

[Hader]

In fact, my only moral struggle in Mass Effect 1 was deciding if I was a bad person for wanting to abandon both of them on that planet (whose name escapes me).

Virmire.

And I am with you there. I sat there for such a long time, deciding who to save, because I couldn't decided who annoyed me more at that point.

 

[Kortney]

2. I am tired of saying this, Distrustful =/= Racist. If you look beyond just the fact that she does not trust the other races to much you will actually see that the reason for it is not that bad. If you also talked to her on Horizen she straight up says that she is not the biggest fan of aliens but Cerberus was extremists. How about you think about something before you go off the deep end?

Distrusting the opposite race for no logical, valid reason=racist. It's a fine line.

 

[VivaciousDeimos]

Well I think Vrex has got Ashley's back o I'll stick to Kaidan and the awful misuse of the word 'emo'.

See, here's the thing, kaidan isn't 'emo'. he has legitimate and wholly understandable psychological damage from being smacked around for years by an alien who'd participated in the war against his species and who was bullying him and other children into learning. On top of that he suffers from permanent migraines, gnawing hunger given his increased calorie intake and sees one of his friends die at the start of the first game.

That's not emo, that's called battle scarring and frankly you never learn about it unless you ask him, he's almost the anti-emo; someone with actual problems who doesn't whine about them.

I swear gamers just want one dimensional characters...bad-ass isn't a personality trait so much as a description of action and Kaidan does plenty of it.

What I think is absolutely hilarious when people say he's emo, is that he tells you--or tells you when you're romancing him, I don't know if he says it when you're not--is that he doesn't need you to fix him. He's had time to come to terms with all the shit that happened to him. He's telling you about his past because you're asking him about it.

 

[Zorg Machine]

Give me legion, Mordin, Grunt, Joker and EDI and I will be happy.

 

[LawlessSquirrel]

So long as Jack, Samara, and Liara stay away things are fine. (Why is every Asari either evil or personality-deficient?)

Jack? A pox on you, good sir! Also I think Liara was 'confirmed' as a squad member in that recent information wave, if you could call that reliable. Samara bored me until I replayed it, she has more depth of character once you know how things work with her.

Anyway, Ashley and Kaiden will probably be like Miranda and Jacob to me. They don't bother me, but I'll probably not be bringing them down on missions with me since they don't particularly interest me.

Interestingly, the more people complain about how characters are/aren't in your squad anymore, the more I start to think I'd LIKE for ME3 to have a lot of high-powered allies to call on without combat reasoning. But it's too early to judge, we need more information for that.

 

[TheTim]

I'm glad that Ashley is back in the series, and how is she disturbingly racist? she condemned Shepherds involvement with Cerberus, the Pro-human group... i'm not seeing her as racist.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

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Oh look, you're pissed because you didn't get to really know them because you're a ps3 player and you never played ME1. This was what I've been saying all along. I'm happy for you that you guys got this amazing game, but I knew people would complain about them bringing in people from ME1 and saying that they would be wastes of space and that there "won't be room for the ME2 characters". If you spent any time with any of the characters in ME1 you would realize that your statements about them are completely false. I'm not going to say more about this because I feel others did a better job. and I hate to break it to you, but they were putting in all ME2 characters THAT SURVIVED THE SUICIDE MISSION. They're also adding squadmates. If you read the article at all, there's a feature about James Sanders, one of your NEW sqaudmates.