Bad game, good sequel?

[IamSofaKingRaw]

Mercenaries 2 was fucking fantastic.

. I think you made a typing error. I can honestly say (and I've played some really bad games) that Mercs 2 is in the top 3 worst games I've EVER played. First is Tenka on ps1, Uprising on ps1, and then Mercs 2. Yup, I've played PS1,2 and 3 games (along with PSP and 360) that are much more enjoyable

 

[Zhukov]

The Witcher.

Although I'm not sure I'd say the second game was good enough to qualify, but it was a huge (huuuuuuge) improvement on the original.

Is running around and stating unpopular opinions about PC exclusives a hobby of yours or something? It seems like you just have to let the world know you hate X PC exclusive or think Y PC exclusive is average every chance you get...

Or do you just think it is cool to bash critically acclaimed games?

Uhh... what?

My apologies, I wasn't aware that Witcher 2 > Witcher 1 was an unpopular opinion.

Not sure where you got the idea about PC exclusives though...

EDIT: Oh right, you're that sore Hard Reset guy. Mate, go grind your pathetic axe somewhere else. I'm really not interested.

 

[BristolBerserker]

Assassin's Creed is what everyone is saying. Although i wouldn't call it bad, when i played Killzone i was a bit disappointed by it. Then Killzone 2 rocked up, punched me in the face and told me i was it's *****.

 

[RheynbowDash]

Mercenaries 2 was fucking fantastic.

. I think you made a typing error. I can honestly say (and I've played some really bad games) that Mercs 2 is in the top 3 worst games I've EVER played. First is Tenka on ps1, Uprising on ps1, and then Mercs 2. Yup, I've played PS1,2 and 3 games (along with PSP and 360) that are much more enjoyable

Nope, I have it correct. Yes, the story is outlandish, but the action is over the top and ridiculous. But overall its FUN. You guys remember that right? Also a very good 3rd person shooter everyone should check out that was better than the original: 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I hear the original Street Fighter was kinda ass. I can't really think of any others off of the top of my head...you could arguably mention Link to the Past being better than Zelda 2 and, everything after the CDi Zelda's being better. Final Fantasy games can also possibly fall into this category.

 

[Pjotr84]

The Witcher.

Although I'm not sure I'd say the second game was good enough to qualify, but it was a huge (huuuuuuge) improvement on the original.

Is running around and stating unpopular opinions about PC exclusives a hobby of yours or something? It seems like you just have to let the world know you hate X PC exclusive or think Y PC exclusive is average every chance you get...

Or do you just think it is cool to bash critically acclaimed games?

Uhh... what?

My apologies, I wasn't aware that Witcher 2 > Witcher 1 was an unpopular opinion.

What's the point of having an opinion if it can't be an unpopular one?

Also, I do think the Witcher was the better game

 

[Stall]

Uhh... what?

My apologies, I wasn't aware that Witcher 2 > Witcher 1 was an unpopular opinion.

Not sure where you got the idea about PC exclusives though...

EDIT: Oh right, you're that sore Hard Reset guy. Mate, go grind your pathetic axe somewhere else. I'm really not interested.

Ah, just because I called you out on lying means I'm "butthurt," eh? Real mature... real fucking mature.

Oh, and nice red herring by the way. Anyways, yes. I do get the sense that you do get a kick out of running around and bashing PC exclusives in hopes that you get a rise out of some poor PC gamer. Your post basically just called the Witcher 2 shit. What other connotation can "Although I'm not sure I'd say the [The Witcher 2] was good enough to qualify" have in a thread named "Bad Game, Good Sequel"? You bluntly said The Witcher 2 wasn't a good game (it's metascore of 87 would disagree with you). This, in turn, implies you think the Witcher is REALLY shit... which again, is just wrong.

So let me get this straight: one of the single most critically acclaimed RPGs this year, if not THIS generation, is not "good enough" to qualify for a "bad original, good sequel" thread? Did you SERIOUSLY just said that a highly acclaimed original IP is shit, and THEN have the absolute gall to insult its even MORE highly acclaimed sequel? You know what, I figured it out. It's common knowledge PC gamers are protective of their exclusives... you just want to piss off some PC gamers, don't you? I mean, there's no other reason to sit around and spew bile about PC exclusives every fucking chance you get (I mean, what other reason would you have to let people know your opinion about X game otherwise?). You could have just as easily said "I thought TW2 was better than TW1" without bashing both games (don't deny it... it's clear as fucking daylight that is what you said). Could you BE more of a negative person?

There's a certain word for people who post intentionally inflammatory material on forums in order to get an emotional response from the reader. I cannot seem to remember the word though...

I regret falling for your ploy you once. I won't fall for it again. You probably aren't interested because you are afraid of getting 'called out'.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Mercenaries 2 was fucking fantastic.

Wait, are you honestly saying that Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction was a bad game, and that Mercenaries 2 was entirely better?

 

[Zhukov]

[Snipping like a boss]

I honestly have no idea where you're getting these notions.

For one, I play games on PC myself. I don't own a console (yet). So trolling PC gamers would be, I dunno... hypocritical or something?

Secondly, you're a bit off the mark in evaluating my opinions. Yes, I think Witcher 1 is a lousy game. I stopped playing after about an hour because I saw absolutely nothing of merit.

However, I quite enjoyed Witcher 2 and consider it to be significantly better than it's predecessor, which is why I brought it up in this thread. I even remember typing up a fairly positive post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.285308-The-Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Pleasantly-surprised?page=1] about it back when it came out. Thing is, while the first half of the game was really good, the second half proceeded to shit itself inside out. So, in my oh-so-very-humble opinion, the game levels out at just above average, which is why I added the qualifier in my original post.

Thirdly, I don't see how a positive critical reception should prevent me from expressing a less-than-positive opinion of a game. Do you jump down the collective throats of all the people who criticize Mass Effect 2? (Metascore: 96.) How about Halo: Combat Evolved? (Metascore 97.)

 

[Kyrian007]

Mercenaries 2 was fucking fantastic.

. I think you made a typing error. I can honestly say (and I've played some really bad games) that Mercs 2 is in the top 3 worst games I've EVER played. First is Tenka on ps1, Uprising on ps1, and then Mercs 2. Yup, I've played PS1,2 and 3 games (along with PSP and 360) that are much more enjoyable

Nope, I have it correct. Yes, the story is outlandish, but the action is over the top and ridiculous. But overall its FUN. You guys remember that right? Also a very good 3rd person shooter everyone should check out that was better than the original: 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand.

There may have been a few new weapons and airstrikes and such, but Mercs 1 seemed to me to be faaaarrrr better than 2. But I can see where 2 could have been way better. If it's multiplayer feature was better it would have been by default superior. But as far as a few more for the topic.

Masters of Orion was really destroyed by MoO 2. Three couldn't even compare to 2.
Tecmo's Deception was bad to the point of being unplayable. Kagero Deception 2 was fantastic.

 

[Strangeronpcp]

Warcrat 1 to warcraft 2 and then warcraft 3. waccraft 1 had two raises with the same stats 2 better 3 the best

 

[Raika]

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II comes immediately to mind.

 

[subjectseven]

This is the only time I will ever acknowledge devil may cry 2s existence

Devil may cry 3 > devil may cry 2

I'm curious to know why you thought Devil May Cry 2 was so bad? I know I'm on the short list of people who liked that game but I never understood why. I thought it was great. Though it might have something to do with me playing Devil May Cry 2 first instead of the original.

 

[subjectseven]

I thought the original Valkyrie Profile was a shocking disaster of a JRPG. From what I remember, you're given a time limit to recruit an army of characters in order to fight a war. Everything you do in the game like visiting towns, dungeons and recruiting characters takes up various periods of time, almost limiting the full freedom to explore or train your characters. Once you think you've recruited enough characters, you fight the war and the game ends. It's actually possible to beat the game in 55 minutes.

On the other hand, I would say Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria is the 2nd greatest JRPG out there to date.

 

[nokori3byo]

In the tech-driven world of gaming, it should come as no surprise that sequels are sometimes better than what came before them.

That said, The RDR games are probably the ur-example from recent franchises.

Also, I loved loved loved the original Mass Effect, but for gameplay reasons found it very hard to go back to after the sequel.

(edited for spelling)

 

[Ryu-Kage]

Subjective view is subjective, but I might as well throw this out here.

I hated Metroid on the NES for two reasons: 1.) Whenever you die (not "if", "when"), you come back to life with not even full health. Hell, you don't even START the game with full health; you have 30 Energy when you start when you could carry 99 Energy. And even when you collect all six Energy Tanks in the game, you STILL only revive with 30 Energy when you die. 2.) No map. Why? IIRC, Metroid may have come out before The Legend of Zelda in the U.S., but Zelda was released before Metroid in Japan. So why is there no map to help you where to go? You could even just have that be the pause screen.

These are a couple of reasons why Super Metroid blows its NES predecessor out of the water. You actually stand a chance of living in the game due to more health pickups and the fact that you revive with the amount of health you saved with last. You have a map to help guide where you're supposed to go, too, so you don't get as lost. Also, the boss battles in Super Metroid are often times more fun and intense than the ones where you simply find the best place to stand and shoot until the boss dies.