Batman is exactly why I don't PC game

[VincentX3]

[HEADING=1]*ASSASSIN'S CREED UNITY*[/HEADING]

Is why I don't console game. Oh wait. Can I replace that with the Halo collection? :^)


For those who don't get my sarcasm (Probably the OP), what I'm trying to say is there's plenty of broken games on consoles too, but by that same rule there's plenty of GOOD games on PC and consoles.

So for every shitty Batman port there's 100 other games that are fun and run just fine.

 

[Pseudonym]

If I buy a game for a console, it's going to fucking work. I don't have to search forums looking for a fix for an issue instead of actually playing the game. I put in the disc and in a couple minutes (at most), I'm playing the game. Time is very important to me as I try to spend as much time enjoying myself as I can as time is limited regardless if it's gaming or anything else I enjoy doing. I'm sure after the game is officially or unofficially patched to fix the issues, Batman would be a better experience on PC but by then, I will have already played and beat Batman. I realize that Batman is not the norm but several games (and big releases) do have such issues that cause many gamers to not be able to use a product they purchased. The pro to having set hardware is shit will work whereas having any hardware configuration imaginable means there's potential for a better experience, but that's not guaranteed either because shit may not work.

You know, I see your point. I've just had Europa Universalis crash on me today, twice. I was pretty pissed off. However, consoles don't have Europa Universalis or anything like it so there is that. Indeed, an advantage of consoles is that they ussually work better. I still prefer the overall package of my PC (though I own a 360 and a 3ds) but I understand why this sort of shit might turn you off pc-gaming. Then again, no online subscription fee, steam sales, GOG sales, several genres worth of exclusives (how many strategy, MOBA or MMO's are there on consoles) a larger library overall, backwards compatibility with my earlier PC's, better graphics depending on your machine. I can even put my screen on another table, shift a chair around and I can PC game with a controller from the same nice chair that I play halo in.

 

[Doom972]

I tried playing Arkham City on an Xbox 360 once at a friend's house. The low framerate was too annoying, plus being 3 meters away from the TV really broke immersion from me.

Some games come out with certain issues, and since the previous generation it has become just as widespread on consoles. They don't test games thoroughly anymore.

When I get a game like that, I'm glad I can at least troubleshoot or download unofficial patches instead of just waiting for the publisher to take his sweet time with a patch. Worst case scenario - I can always get a refund.

For many PC users, setting up a build is a pleasurable experience. Watching benchmarks and assembling a customized system is an enjoyable task, as opposed to simply buying a mass produced prebuild. You may not find so, but the higher initial barrier to entry does not automatically make it worse.

I'm a PC tech, I build my own computers too. I even tweak Windows as well, disabling a bunch of services and programs, doing some registry edits, etc. I really use no other Microsoft software other than Windows itself like I don't use Windows Media Player, Firewall, Defender, even automatics updates are disabled. I don't even have an anti-virus install as there's no point because on the extreme rarity that I get one, restoring an image is faster than running the anti-virus. I game on a console primarily (I do play some PC games) not because it's pre-built but because it allows me to spend more time gaming instead of trying to fix shit.

You really should let Windows update (Important updates only would suffice). Some games rely on those updates, but the developers sometimes neglect to mention specific needed updates. Registry edits can also have adverse effects you may have not taken into consideration.

 

[Emanuele Ciriachi]

So you will settle for a sub-par experience that costs more simply because you are not willing to learn how to maintain a PC in working order.
As long as it suits you...

 

[happyninja42]

Really? Clearly you didn't play the Skyrim I did on Xbox 360, that shit itself every 5 minutes and couldn't even get through the opening cinematic cart ride without glitching out entirely, forcing me to reload.

You do understand that this argument is kind of pointless, right? A lot of users didn't get glitches in Skyrim.

And plenty of people don't get glitches with PC ports of games. But the OP was making a blanket statement, using one example as to justify the stance that all PC ports are shit, which isn't the case. I at least presented multiple examples of games on a console that he seems to think were just fine. Because as he said "i know they will fucking work." And yet, they didn't work, in fact, some of them are infamous for not working. So either the OP didn't know about these examples, (which I doubt), or just felt like ignoring them to make his false statement. Which is why I pointed it out.

 

[kasperbbs]

Last time i checked the game worked, it has 30 FPS cap and downgraded graphics compared to a ps4 for example. All of these 'game breaking' issues are more common in consoles actually, not sure why you even brought this game up. I must be very lucky or something because the biggest issues i ever had with pc gaming was forgetting to update my directx version or installing Microsoft visual C++ or some shite like that.

 

[Something Amyss]

And plenty of people don't get glitches with PC ports of games.

Can you show me such a case for Arkham Knight?

 

[Rattja]

Well to be fair, the amount of PC games that are flat out broken like this is rather rare, especially if you consider how many of them there are. And that is kinda the big deal with PC really, at least for me, the amount of games available to you all on the same platform. If I want to play a 10 year old game, I can.
Should there be something wrong with a game, 90% of the time it can be solved by a google search and 5 minutes, because on a PC normal people can fix things, on a console you can't.
I can also choose freely between what kind of controller I want to use, on console you are basically stuck with one.

So yea, that is my reason for being a PC gamer. A few problems here and there is more than worth the freedom to me.

 

[sagitel]

Also, I don't have to upgrade my console every year in order to play a new release.

i never got this. I have a shitty 6-7 years old laptop that i play with. And it was mediocre even at the time i bought it. The newest game i played on it was shadow of mordor and it ran on medium-low just fine at about 50 fps. Of course i cant play on ultra but thats what you get with a 300$ laptop. (Cheaper than 360, lasted more, can do more things) you dont have to upgrade every year even every 5 years if you treat the pc right.

 

[Wiggum Esquilax]

It's your own fault if you preorder. Batman isn't my problem unless I make it my problem, and I prefer to buy games that actually work.

Console, PC, it doesn't matter. Batman never happened to me, and neither do any other broken releases.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Yeah, unless you're talking about Nintendo 1st party games, that's on the stupid side of reasons against PC.
Every console has games that just don't work. Lets not pretend that some PC exclusive shit.

In fact, PC has the modding community which usually fix bugs way before the official patch release, so those day one game breaking bugs are usually fixed by the community on PC, while they stay for a rather long time on consoles because it's expensive to patch your game.

Also don't pretend that it's something that happens often. Batman and what other game? AC Unity? It's your fault for getting that shit in the first place. If you buy a Ubishit game on release, you deserve what you get. You're encouraging shitty practices, so why not make you feel them on your skin.

@ the people saying how they spend more time fixing games than actually playing them.
Maybe you should learn how to use a PC because Microsoft made sure that their PC system works far better than their console system, nVidia releases constant driver updates, AMD is catching up and starting to be less awful about their driver and game installations will install everything that the game needs to run. PC's are as simple to use as the consoles from 2 generations ago, simpler than consoles nowadays. Insert disk (buy from Steam), press next, next, install, run the game. Oh, wow, so hard. And the games work.
If your game doesn't work on Steam, right click the game in the steam menu, properties, check files. It will check the files and fix them if needed.

 

[stroopwafel]

I blame consoles and their consumers for this. Building games for more than one platform when the PC can do it all is stupid. It leads to problems like this. If developers made games for a single platform, they would be much better optimized. Before someone talks to me about competition, there is competition on PC. Hardware manufacturers and software companies compete. The consoles are holding back the industry with artificial monopolies and closed off proprietary hardware.

Hardware manufacturers for PCs have nowhere near the marketing push of consoles. And why would some manufacturer of a graphics card promote, market and finance a (high-profile) videogame in the first place? Without consoles all there would be to play on PCs are point&click adventures and strategy games. Without platform holders like Sony and MS there would be no means for investment as PC sales alone would be insufficient to recoup the costs. That is not even considering the marketing, financial incentives and technical assistance that Sony or MS provides to developers/publishers. All critical in the process of making games. Simply put without consoles you would have neither the means for investment nor the sales figures to recoup said investment. You need to have a facilitator that does all the marketing, financing and distribution to get a title out there and PCs simply aren't a singular product like a console(so, other than some ancillary companies providing components, no parties involved that would thrive on its success).

I mean, you can debate the 'superiority' of PCs all day long(and from a technical standpoint I fully agree) but making games is more a matter of marketing and sales figures than having the best system to produce games for. Even a much beloved developer like CDPR admits that without console sales they could have never made Witcher 3. Consoles are becoming more and more 'PC-like' in their architecture though, so I guess there's that. However Arkham Knight shows having somewhat synchronous hardware is nowhere near a guarantee. Though, it also proves the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Yeah I kinda agreed. Console games, they build the game to make sure it works on it while it is the other way around for pc at times.

Still that is the point on not buying it on release day if you can be patience just abit longer.

 

[happyninja42]

And plenty of people don't get glitches with PC ports of games.

Can you show me such a case for Arkham Knight?

For that game specifically, I can't, but that's my point. The OP is saying "Arkham Knight doesn't work! And that's why PC ports all suck! I know for a console that the game will work!" My point, that I stated, is that one game isn't a good example for any blanket statement like that. He said "console games will work" and I could think of about 3 offhand that I've personally played that didn't work well, even long after release. So by the OP's logic, (ie: using one example to declare an entire blanket statement) then console's are terrible too. It's a false premise.

I've had very few issues with PC ports of any games over the years, even for titles that were notorious for bugs, on all platforms. I've had several issues with console games simply freaking the fuck out and not working well, no matter what I did.

So from my standpoint, the opposite situation is true. That all console games are shit, and you should stick to PC ports.

But that's not true either, it's also a false premise, one I put up to try and illustrate the flaw in the OP's argument. Some games get developed for shit, no matter the platform, there isn't anything intrinsically good or bad about either way to play the game. So saying "PC gaming is shit because of X" is just as flawed as saying "Console gaming is shit because of Y" Arkham Knights is a fuck up, sure, I've seen no evidence to refute that one specifically. But one example isn't a trend, it's a data point.

 

[UrinalDook]

I'm a PC tech, I build my own computers too. I even tweak Windows as well, disabling a bunch of services and programs, doing some registry edits, etc. I really use no other Microsoft software other than Windows itself like I don't use Windows Media Player, Firewall, Defender, even automatics updates are disabled. I don't even have an anti-virus install as there's no point because on the extreme rarity that I get one, restoring an image is faster than running the anti-virus. I game on a console primarily (I do play some PC games) not because it's pre-built but because it allows me to spend more time gaming instead of trying to fix shit.

Oh Christ, you're one of those. You know, the tweaks and registry hacks are probably contributing to the issues you face right? That and the fact you're not pulling updates that patch issues newer software is built around having fixed.

Didn't you read? He doesn't use Windows Media Player! This guy's a fucking PC genius. I've been trying for years to change my PC so I wouldn't have to use Media Player. I've tried everything. I've tried throwing rocks at it, I've tried jumping up and down on my chair screaming at it, I sacrificed my sister to the gods... Nothing worked.

He's even disabled automatic updates, which is great because, y'know, there's all those viruses Microsoft keep putting out. I've got their number. Sell me an OS and then give me viruses so I have to buy a new one. OP's one smart ************ avoiding all that.

Last time I was on Ops with the military I tried playing Battlefield II. I had pre installed it before I left because I know the internet is not very good when we are away. It's good enough to open pages (eventually) but drops in and out a lot and cannot stream (not even YouTube).

I started the game... all well and good... then had the issue. No sound. Nothing. I had just finished Dust, and from the high that left me this sound issue left me broken. What is a Star Wars game without the trademark wooshes and pews?

I trawled the net looking for fixes. Not many had my issue. Most people had said to re install... but I was sure it wouldn't need that. I moved drivers. Changed some text files. Copied the game into a different place... tried everything that I barely understood written by people who either speak in special techie language, or badly google translated engrish. My rage eventually boiled over, and left me a sobbing deflated wreck.

I took off my headphones, expecting to hear the hum of the Air Con flood back into the eerily silent void I had just been sitting in, to find it didn't. Air Con wasn't on. I looked at the headphones - pressed the button to show me the battery levels and... well... you know the rest.

It must have ran out between switching games... and it makes no noise when it does. With no ability to stream I had been using websites with no noise... Bastard things.

This is why I don't like PC games. If I had been playing my 3DS I would have known it was the headphones straight away!

...

What the hell are you talking about?

I mean, I'm sorry I'm being rude but... what? Maybe try again, all I'm getting is that you got really angry because... you're headphones ran out of batteries (?) ... and somehow this stopped the air conditioning working (!?) ... and it's all your PC's fault, and PC gaming isn't as good as the 3DS because of that?

To use the valley girl vernacular, I don't even.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

AC Unity - exact same problems Batman is having, but on a console.
I guess that's why you don't console game right?

Or the original PS3 Skyrim problems where it'd just stop working after a certain amount of time due to shit optimisation.

Honestly, your argument is "I can fix it on the PC whilst I can't on consoles, so I prefer consoles".

Because this shit happens on both. Only one can easily fix it themselves though. For every Batman, there is an AC Unity.
Seriously, this is the problem with the whole PC vs Console war diehards. This isn't about the advantage of a PC or the advantage of a console - because this shit happens to both, and if anything, PC gets the advantage for being able to fix it.

The AC Unity and Skyrim issues were in the game on all platforms whereas the console version very rarely has more issues.

Rather than tell you the 800 other reasons why PC out-does console and how that makes your one point irrelevant, I'll stick to the one point you brought up.

1. It's a shitty dev/pub that causes this to happen.
2. You shouldn't be pre-ordering anyway (three cheers for Steam refunds btw).
3. It's still cheaper on PC in most places anyway.
4. Because that's never happened on console amiright? No. It's happened plenty of times on console, so saying you stick to console because of that is, well, a tad stupid.

There might be some small amount of reasons to take console over PC depending on the scenario, this is true, but you should stick to them instead of trying to flimsily argue that this is one of them.

The game plays the same on PC or console, prettier graphics don't enhance my gaming experience. I don't pre-order. It's cheaper on console because I can sell the game after I'm done, plus the console is cheaper.

"In short, I simply do not believe you."

Unless you're referring to it straight up not turning on, in which case, why on earth would you bring up Batman? It turns on and functions, albeit poorly. So did Skyrim on the PS3. So did Assassin's Creed: Unity on every platform.

I never had a game not be playable. The issue that caused Skyrim's PS3 issues were on all platforms, it just occurred more on PS3. Plus, I don't buy Bethesda games because they can't write, which is rather important to freaking RPGs. I've never had a console game that I bought where I couldn't play it to a satisfactory degree.

Know what, all the game's I've bought recently have worked like a dream. Witcher 3 on recommended settings was fine [Upper settings only had the low FPS due to hardware], Galactic Civ III was fine, Kerbal Space Program is like a dream.

Why would I expect a PC game not to just work when they all have until now?
Personal experience ain't everything I'm afraid. You might not have been burned, but a lot of console users have been.

I've been on official message boards before just discussing the game and seen half the threads be about PC gamers literally not being able to play the game, like say Splinter Cell Blacklist.

Au contraire, OP. I got Elder Scrolls Online for PS4 and it has some serious bugs. Some of the quest NPCs are invisible (thus meaning I can't talk to them and hand in my quests), I STILL don't have my Explorer's Pack that I paid for. Console games do come buggy, just like PC games. I prefer PC games because generally, on PC, at least you have the potential to be able to fix the problem yourself. I can't do anything with my ESO game, since the PS4 is a locked down system.

Are those console specific issues or issues with the game? There's a difference between issues that happen on all platforms vs issues that only happen on one platform. The latter very rarely happens on consoles.

You do realize that these problems happen on consoles too, Phoenix?

Not in Batman this time, true. But they do happen.

And when they happen you are powerless. I dont like being powerless. Do you?
You might not have noticed but many people want to play this game on settings higher than what consoles can achieve. And they cant because it was coded by hairy whale people.

But sure. Be happy with mortal games on a mortal platform. I cant change you, unfortunately.

I've never had a game not play in a satisfactory manner. Plus, if there's an issue with a console game, it's usually an issue on all platforms, which is then a bug of the game, not the port. Prettier graphics doesn't make a game play better nor does it enhance my gaming experience, it's all about aesthetics, not graphic fidelity. It's like Fallout 4 is going to be all brown and grey regardless how high res the textures are or how many fps the game is running, you're just seeing more frames of brown and grey lol (yeah, I have no interest in Fallout 4).

Oh Christ, you're one of those. You know, the tweaks and registry hacks are probably contributing to the issues you face right? That and the fact you're not pulling updates that patch issues newer software is built around having fixed.

I only made a few registry tweaks to change how Windows explorer looks (more like XP). Out of the 3 PC games I have right now (Divinity OS, Shadowrun Dragonfall, and Mark of the Ninja), I have no issues. I don't update anything unless it's required or because shit isn't working right. Chances are higher that an update will break something (not talking about games) vs fixing something. Last time I updated Firefox (as I figured I should since it was probably at least a year since I updated last), the GUI changed and it took me half an hour to get the new Firefox looking like the old Firefox. I also run an over 5 year old firewall because it's so light and the newer versions are shitty. Old software is quite often better and less bloated than new software (it's why oldversion.com exists). Why would I update something when it's running perfectly fine? I also have no anti-virus on my computer either, I'd bet all my money there's nothing on it but harmless tracking cookies at worst.

 

[G00N3R7883]

I'm pretty sure consoles have had their fair share of problems over the years too. Didn't Skyrim launch in a borderline unplayable state on one console? I'm sure there are more examples.

Anyway, the real statement that should come out of this mess is "Batman is exactly why I don't preorder video games". They pretty much all launch with some bugs, sometimes minor, sometimes major. Its always best to wait a few weeks or months to get the best experience.

Having said that, I guess if *everyone* waited, there would be nobody to identify the problems that the devs need to fix.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I am not against consoles. I owned the last generation and most of the machines from every generation back to the initial Atari. However, the current generation of consoles is just a complete mess. They lack the things that make them competitive platforms and those are compelling first party/exclusive titles and comparable performance to PC at a reasonable price point and investment level. I have completely skipped the XboxOne this time around and probably never will get it and I own a PS4 solely for one game (Bloodborne) and as an overpriced Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/Blu-ray player.

Firstly, the point of my thread wasn't console is better than PC. PC gamers mostly ignore all the pros of consoles while ignoring cons of the PC. My most anticipated games are currently The Last Guardian and Horizon, they won't be on PC. I'm not Sony fanboy either, only 1 Uncharted is good, only 1 God of War is good, etc. If consoles aren't competitive, then why do more people play most games on a console? I'd say that's very competitive. Building a PC with a $100 CPU and $100-$150 video card is basically right at $500, and that machine won't run the new games on high on 1080p at 60fps. Getting those better graphics costs much more than a console's $400 price tag. And, the PS4 is way better than last gen consoles; you can download/install everything in the background, it only takes about 2 minutes of prep to start playing your brand new game at worst.

So you will settle for a sub-par experience that costs more simply because you are not willing to learn how to maintain a PC in working order.
As long as it suits you...

I bet my PC is in better working order than yours and more efficient (literally the only thing in my system tray is my firewall). I'm a PC tech BTW.

being 3 meters away from the TV really broke immersion from me.

You really should let Windows update (Important updates only would suffice). Some games rely on those updates, but the developers sometimes neglect to mention specific needed updates. Registry edits can also have adverse effects you may have not taken into consideration.

Uhh... sit closer.

I play very few PC games. I don't update anything unless it's mandatory or something is not working. Updates have a habit of breaking more things than they fix. I only changed the look of Windows explorer with registry tweaks.

But the OP was making a blanket statement, using one example as to justify the stance that all PC ports are shit, which isn't the case. I at least presented multiple examples of games on a console that he seems to think were just fine. Because as he said "i know they will fucking work." And yet, they didn't work, in fact, some of them are infamous for not working. So either the OP didn't know about these examples, (which I doubt), or just felt like ignoring them to make his false statement. Which is why I pointed it out.

Lots more users have major issues with PC games every year vs every game I've ever played on a console (since NES) has worked. Game bugs that occur on all platforms are problems with game vs issues with a port of a game. I'm sure Fallout 4 will be buggy on every platform because the game will have bugs and its Bethesda, and I bet there is a much much greater chance there will be major issues for some PC users with Fallout 4 vs none of that for the console versions. On the Splinter Cell Blacklist forums when the game released, half the threads were about the PC game literally not running for players. I wasn't trying to say all PC ports are shit, I'm saying that a game I've been waiting to play and very excited for CAN/MAY end up having major issues for me getting running in a satisfactory manner on PC whereas that won't happen on a console.

I blame consoles and their consumers for this. Building games for more than one platform when the PC can do it all is stupid. It leads to problems like this. If developers made games for a single platform, they would be much better optimized. Before someone talks to me about competition, there is competition on PC. Hardware manufacturers and software companies compete. The consoles are holding back the industry with artificial monopolies and closed off proprietary hardware.

Gaming is at a point where better hardware doesn't equal better gameplay. I don't see the PC pushing stuff like AI, just better graphics.

The OP is saying "Arkham Knight doesn't work! And that's why PC ports all suck! I know for a console that the game will work!"

Not at all what I said. The thread is literally Batman is the reason I don't PC game. How in the hell does that imply, every PC port sucks. I'm saying that a game I've been waiting to play and very excited for CAN/MAY end up having major issues for me getting running in a satisfactory manner on PC whereas that won't happen on a console.

Actually, since the OP apparently counts 900p resolutions at 30 FPS as "Working," then Arkham Knight works exactly as well on PC as it does on console, which is the entire problem since the PC has greater hardware and FAR greater standards for performance and asset quality.

Because an extra 180p makes the game so much better!!! 60fps only really matters in fast-paced games.

Didn't you read? He doesn't use Windows Media Player! This guy's a fucking PC genius. I've been trying for years to change my PC so I wouldn't have to use Media Player. I've tried everything. I've tried throwing rocks at it, I've tried jumping up and down on my chair screaming at it, I sacrificed my sister to the gods... Nothing worked.

He's even disabled automatic updates, which is great because, y'know, there's all those viruses Microsoft keep putting out. I've got their number. Sell me an OS and then give me viruses so I have to buy a new one. OP's one smart ************ avoiding all that.

What's the point of updating when everything is working fine? The only way to get a virus is downloading it yourself nowadays. I don't even see why anyone runs an anti-virus as restoring an image is way faster in the rare event you actually get a virus.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

You are unique. The 1% of console gamers. Congrats.

"Usually" can often be a strong word .

Yes aesthetics are more important. I like both though

There's those few games you wait for and are very excited to play that you want to get on release. Chances are that game may/can have issues playing or running in a satisfactory manner on your PC whereas the console version won't.

 

[Mutant1988]

The only drawback of PC gaming is incompetent developers and people thinking their toasters can play the newest games (ie, ID-10T error).

The drawback with console gaming is monopolized market places, lack of versatility, monetized online functionality and widespread propagation of consumer hostile practises, such as the decimation of LAN (Although also present on PC, the console manufacturers are motivated to remove it to force people to pay for their online "services"), the online passes turning half a physical game into a license, the push towards digital content on a closed system with market monopoly where basic functionality can cease at any time for any reason, turning your hardware into a useless brick etc.

I'd rather play on PC and wait for a patch (Read: Not buy the game until it is actually functional) than buy on a console and support the systematic exploitation of consumers those entail and the complacency that facilitates it.

There's those few games you wait for and are very excited to play that you want to get on release. Chances are that game may/can have issues playing or running in a satisfactory manner on your PC whereas the console version won't.

No, the console version will just run like crap forever and it and it's tons of DLC will be priced higher for years to come.