Bay Goes From Transformers to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[Snowden's Secret]

Seeing as how all of the good "Noooooo-" videos have been taken, I'll just have to use this instead (it's symbolic of what Bay is doing to the franchise(-ish)).


Seriously, this is getting rather silly. Plus wasn't there already a TMNT movie a few years ago?

 

[Lepre-Khan]

Allow me to sum up the reactions of those of nerd kind with a brain (not very many, but their ya go).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQuBUy1dgo

Seeing as how all of the good "Noooooo-" videos have been taken, I'll just have to use this instead (it's symbolic of what Bay is doing to the franchise(-ish)).


Seriously, this is getting rather silly. Plus wasn't there already a TMNT movie a few years ago?

Yeah, a crappy CGI one with Mako sounding like he smoked a million marborls and where the only cool bit was the city. Either way, how does that movie being released a few years ago make things any better or worse?

 

[katsabas]

My goddamn memories just got

 

[Dogstile]

Why are you all saying this will be the worst thing ever

Bay makes action films. He makes good ACTION films. If you want a film with story and plot go somewhere else but i'm getting tired of everyone who thinks its alright to hate on anything bay does. He's good at what he does. If you don't like it don't pay to see it.

Pretty much

You don't HAVE to watch it.

Why should a movie be just about action? Bay could hire any number of good writers to make a great story and still have great action within the film. the biggest thing that I have against Transformers and Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is the whole humans being the main characters.

If the movie title has the word Transformers in it you would think it should be about the Transformers and not some teenager wanting to date a girl.

Because, my fellow escapee, bay doesn't do story, he does action. He's horrible at story, so he throws in something really, really simple so the masses don't complain then covers it up with explosions.

He's good at making big colours and making the crowd go "ohhhh, ahhhhh, colours!" and for some reason, its like everyones expecting more from this guy on here. Its crazy.

 

[Aanorith]

Bloody hell, now Bay will ruin part of my childhood with american flags in every scene possible.
Great, just great.

 

[aaronmcc]

Sorry to buy into the stereotype but...

ARGH!!! Leave my fucking childhood alone Bay! You fucking ballbag!

 

[Gigano]

That guy's got a serious grudge against toy lineups from the 1980's and/or the nostaligia of men who were kids at the time...

Well, this revenge-flick probably won't be much worse than most other things to come out of Hollywood messing around with movies based on actual toy products and video games.

 

[The Last Nomad]

Only If he calls it Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles, Like it used to be called,

Only if they are groovy teenagers like above and not those angry TMNT ones with no eyes,
and only if Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady are in it and look somewhat like their former selves, Then I'll go see it...

 

[Primus1985]

Ya know Bay gets alot of hate but ya know what? Both Transformers movies made hundreds of millions of dollars, obviously somebody must enjoy them.(I do) If people hate him so much, dont see his movies!

Just that simple, and if enough people dont see said movie guess what? He wont remake another franchise.

Heed my advise Escapist, im tired of all the Bay-hate and maybe this will be a way to settle the debate(and get Moviebob to stop mentioning it every three seconds in his reviews)

 

[Fightgarr]

Since when?

The original TMNT, the one that was nothing but gore and Splinter trained the turtles specifically to murder Shredder, was a rather deep (if not slightly morbid) story.
Those comics never made it into the main stream for a reason, and are very hard to find. The turtles that most people know today are from the first TV show, that is the incarnation that has lived on.

I hope Bay sticks to the darker side of the turtles. They have become far too campy, and even the latest digital version of the turtles was a little more camp than I could stand for.

Here's the thing, most Turtle fans don't actually read the comics. I'm actually pretty glad I never did, because I actually like the campiness.
Here's the other thing: the 'dark turtles' wouldn't work today. Back then it may have been a lot cooler to have mutant turtles killing things, but now the Turtles are something entirely different. Do you really think anyone is going to take a movie about anthropomorphic turtles seriously? Scratch that, do you think a movie about anthropomorphic turtles that takes itself seriously could actually be good?
In the case of your "since when"? Since no one gave a shit about the comics, which has been the greater part of their existence. I'm sorry but the version of the turtles that were dark and bloody are never going to re-emerge and suggesting it now seems exactly like the kind of bullshit people say about wanting a bloody, gory version of Pokemon. It's taking (what is now) a show admired by children and looked upon with nostalgia for its campy nature, and saying: hey, let's alienate the target audience. In my opinion, the only way to make a Turtles film anymore is to take movie making about as seriously as Bay, where any collision is an explosion and any joke is about as subtle and classy as two animatronic rats having sex.

 

[Primus1985]

Anyway, Michael Bay has yet to ruin Street Sharks, so at least I can relax knowing that.

Wow you get old school cred for that one. I loved Street Sharks, heck they had 3 or four seasons, damn good for a syndicated cartoon.

And really why has anyone tried to make a movie out of that? Wouldnt really need to set up for a sequal could wrap it up in two hours time. Quick origin, few fights, confontation with Dr. badguy(forgot his name). Could end it with them becoming human again or still as sharks.

Between the CGI and makeup effects they have now, if they can make a realistic looking Hellboy then the Sharks should be no problem.

 

[Somethingfake]

*Does a Wilhelm Scream*

 

[SamElliot'sMustache]

I think some people really need to go back and watch the old Transformers and TMNT shows and movies and ask themselves if they are really as good as they remember.

The first TMNT movie? Yes, absolutely. It had a good mixture of dark (almost gritty) plotting, campy family fun, and decent effects work, along with pitch-perfect voices for the turtles and Elias Koteas was an awesome Casey Jones (Right before crushing the Shredder in a trash compactor: "Oops!")

The sequels and the series? Not really.

Transformers? Actually didn't give a crap about (same with G.I. Joe), mostly because the part of my childhood not occupied with the Turtles or comic books was spent watching Aliens, Predator, and Robocop, with the occassional bout of Terminator.

EDIT: And the first one was actually fun, something that I've never actually gotten out of Bay. Most movies that I find to be fun, like the original Turtles movie, Doomsday, The Host, Blank Man, Caddyshack, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, District 9 (probably the most fun movie of last year), Return of the Living Dead, and so many other examples, have two things in common: a)They don't sacrifice writing/acting/coherency, and b)they still have this sense of "Just about anything can happen, and it'll be awesome!" With Bay's movies, I don't get that. His movies are so safe and dull, no matter how much he tries to pack in explosions, bullets, and 'witty banter,' because he refuses to be challenging in any way (and I don't mean "And the award goes to..."-challenging, I just mean in giving viewers a reason to care). Essentially, the difference is between a great kids' film (E.T.) and a really terrible one (Mac and Me).

 

[squid5580]

Oh there will be a horrific murder don't kid yourself.

 

[De Ronneman]

He's only in the producer's seat now, but if he gets his way, it'll be about the guys who made the sewer in which the turtles grew up, and April trying to hook up with one of them, whilst the TMNT do something cool behind a cloud of smoke or dust in the dark...

 

[Ravariel]

Can Mr. Bay please stop shitting on franchises that I grew up loving? If he does a Thundercats movie, I may just have to rant angrily on the internet

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Both Transformers movies made hundreds of millions of dollars, obviously somebody must enjoy them.

Correlation not causation. A lot of people watched them, but if you replace the Transformers in the film with the Gundam, Gobots or any other robots, the same people would enjoy those films.

That makes it not a Transformer film, just a big robot film.

(I do)

And I don't diss you for that.

If people hate him so much, dont see his movies!

Therein lies the rub. Lots of non-Transformer fans see it because of the sex+explosions. Lots of Transformer fans see it because of the name.

What the franchise fans are still missing (and now can't get to see because of the licence) is a film about the Transformers, which is why the fans rant.

Just that simple, and if enough people dont see said movie guess what? He wont remake another franchise.

Not that simple. People want to see a summer blockbuster, and will see it regardless of its merit. Some of those fans will be happy with booty shots and explosions, regardless of the context. But it's the use of context/franchise with no reference to it that infuriates.

Heed my advise Escapist, im tired of all the Bay-hate and maybe this will be a way to settle the debate(and get Moviebob to stop mentioning it every three seconds in his reviews)

It won't be, and the main reason is that Bay will keep taking ready made franchises and throwing in his own blend of microwave-meals movies on top of them. No effort, no re-writes, loads of money, and a new horde of slavering fans that think their version is the real one.

If you want to get n million people to have a good time, get the lot of them drunk on hype, stick some sexiness in and end in a big explosion. That doesn't make it a good film, and it certainly doesn't make it a Transformers film. It just makes it a summer blockbuster.

And what chance do the original franchise fans have? See the film they've been dreaming of (even though they know it's crap) or get crucified by the leagues of people who enjoyed a film designed to play on their base emotions?

Bay cannot make a good film. He can take a great story and use it as a background to retell the same story that always makes money. What he also does in the same hand-wave is add in his own personal prejudices and biases.

Want proof? Watch what happens with SATC2. Hideously overblown budget, stupid script, repulsive message, critics pan it - and I bet it still makes a profit. Exactly the same with Twilight and for the same reasons. It takes a great premise and then feeds the audience with their own preconceptions/aspirations.

Result: Huge box office, lots of new fans. No relation to the power of the original.