Bay Goes From Transformers to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[rembrandtqeinstein]

as long a as this song is in it I will be happy

 

[Antari]

As much as I hate Bay ... if he tries to make the movies more like the old origional comics ... his tendancy of blowing everything up will actually work out well.

 

[crypt-creature]

Here's the thing, most Turtle fans don't actually read the comics. I'm actually pretty glad I never did, because I actually like the campiness.
Here's the other thing: the 'dark turtles' wouldn't work today. Back then it may have been a lot cooler to have mutant turtles killing things, but now the Turtles are something entirely different. Do you really think anyone is going to take a movie about anthropomorphic turtles seriously? Scratch that, do you think a movie about anthropomorphic turtles that takes itself seriously could actually be good?
In the case of your "since when"? Since no one gave a shit about the comics, which has been the greater part of their existence. I'm sorry but the version of the turtles that were dark and bloody are never going to re-emerge and suggesting it now seems exactly like the kind of bullshit people say about wanting a bloody, gory version of Pokemon. It's taking (what is now) a show admired by children and looked upon with nostalgia for its campy nature, and saying: hey, let's alienate the target audience. In my opinion, the only way to make a Turtles film anymore is to take movie making about as seriously as Bay, where any collision is an explosion and any joke is about as subtle and classy as two animatronic rats having sex.

You know, everything you just used to try and convince me a 'darker' turtles movie could never happen... failed.

Why?

You could say the exact (almost, minus the Anthropomorphic part) things about Batman, and The Dark Knight was a massive change over the entire series.
Turtles could most certainly go that route, and be successful.

After all, the first movie did take its self far more seriously than its sequels, and it did well.
Your comparison to Pokemon has a slight flaw... I have never seen it advertised or shown in any way as to where it was a 'dark and violent' series at one point.

The Turtles as we know them now have alienated their original target audience, and many of its long-time fans with its over-the-top campiness.
The comics (1984) were a short series, and then they were done. People did care about them, quite a bit, but at the time they had a limited initial run (only around 3,000 copies were made). The comics had a slow start at first, but became a huge hit within a short amount of time (so huge the original creators ended up extending the series within a short period of time), and I'm curious as to how old you are.

Kids today aren't as big on comics, and since the TV show(s) (which had nothing to do with the original creators) came out many kids have latched on to those instead of caring about the comics (whereas the older audience had no choice but to read the comics if they liked the series).

Besides, younger kids only became the main target audience when they were willing to throw more money at the series (1987-1996, when the cartoons were produced and adapted to be a bit more family friendly. The comics, for a time, were still more violent than the cartoons) than their older fans, and the more companies made from them the more it became a kids show and alienated its original audience.
The comics followed suit

You're trying to tell me that many of the older fans wouldn't like another sequel closer to the very first Ninja Turtles movie (which was darker, and not really gory mind you) and it wouldn't be popular, and still have moments of campiness?
I find that very hard to believe, and find it even harder to believe that the younger generation would be turned away from it.

Also realize I said darker, which does not automatically include gory.
I'd appreciate it if you'd choose your words a little more carefully.

 

[Lucifron]

Michael Bay is the new Uwe Boll, except not quite as bad. Yay?

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

I'm sure he'll be able to justify this to fans of the original series by saying "Your childhood was dressed provocatively, it was practically begging for it."

 

[TheRealCJ]

Sound of every sane person rageing in 3...2...

Fixed for you.

Get out Bay, now. Don't even look back. Just keep walking.

Slowly, while a massive explosion fills the background.

 

[sephiroth1991]

It's as if he like destroying things people loved, what's next?

 

[TheRealCJ]

Why are you all saying this will be the worst thing ever

Bay makes action films. He makes good ACTION films. If you want a film with story and plot go somewhere else but i'm getting tired of everyone who thinks its alright to hate on anything bay does. He's good at what he does. If you don't like it don't pay to see it.

Pretty much

You don't HAVE to watch it.

No, what bay does is make good action SCENES.

All the bits that aren't shit-blowing-up are banal and stupid.

 

[Xanthious]

Well it seems Michael Bay is hell bent on raping all my fond childhood memories. Up next Michael Bay sexually assaults my third grade teacher!

 

[Dogstile]

Why are you all saying this will be the worst thing ever

Bay makes action films. He makes good ACTION films. If you want a film with story and plot go somewhere else but i'm getting tired of everyone who thinks its alright to hate on anything bay does. He's good at what he does. If you don't like it don't pay to see it.

Pretty much

You don't HAVE to watch it.

No, what bay does is make good action SCENES.

All the bits that aren't shit-blowing-up are banal and stupid.

You know as well as I do that the only reason those scenes are in there is because he has to put them in to make it "acceptable" to the producers

 

[pigmypython]

Maybe he will do a complete reversal and make the movie like the ORIGINAL comic book. You know, blood, guts, mean...but I highly doubt it. They really should though because all the original fans are pretty old now so why not?

 

[Vitor Goncalves]

Is nothing sacred anymore?

What's next?! A Flash Gordon remake?! Oh fuck, I should have kept my mouth shut!... :S

 

[benbenthegamerman]

....
alrighty then. im not going to blow this out of proportion, ill just be right back.

five minutes later...

ITS OVER ITS ALL OVER MY CHILDHOOD HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN DESECRATED OH JESUS I CANT DO IT ANYMORE!!!

[gunshot noise]

 

[Aura Guardian]

This might have a 10% chance of being good.

 

[DustyDrB]

Spoiler: So a quick thread recap for those late to the party...(and apologies to the mods)

Screw you Michael Bay. I don't need anyone damaging my childhood memories more than they already have been. Leave TMNT alone, damnit!

Is it Michael Bays main aim to ruin every ones childhood

Another piece of my childhood about to be manhandled.

Well, there goes my childhood. First transformers, now TMNT. Thanks Michel Bay. Thanks.

Great, now he'll have fucked up the two biggest things in my childhood!

Enough! Michael Bay has gone too far his goal is clear, it's his desire to destroy everything in our childhoods. Something must be done!

You know, everyone accuses Rule 34 of "raping their childhood". Personally, I've decided just to accuse Michael Bay. I've never had to sit through news items on Rule 34. I've never seen commercials for Rule 34. I've never had the douchebags at the watercooler tell me how much better Rule 34 is than my childhood memories.

And as far as surprise testicles, 34 and Bay are running about even.

What is Bay's problem with my childhood?

My childhood is really tired of being raped. I really can't find words to express how crap this is.

Sigh...guess nothing from my childhood will ever be sacred. The entertainment industry desperately needs some *gasp* new ideas instead of just rebooting every damn film franchise.

God Damnit NO. No means No Bay, stop raping my childhood.

Everyone's childhood just died a bit more because of this man.

Wasn't killing ONE childhood icon enough to sate Bays thirst? There should be a limit on the number of icons a person is allowed to destory in their lifetime. In Bays case, that limit is One. One because he's already done one in. Any more than that, and I say, mmm, penalty of beheading.

My childhood memories... my poor, aching childhood memories.

What hath this demon wrought now?

[HEADING=1]STOP RAPING MY CHILDHOOD WITH EXPLOSIVES, MICHAEL BAY. THAT IS ALL.[/HEADING]

Michael Bay using my childhood franchises to learn? If you learn to play the drums you got to go to a studio! Go to an original story for God's sake! Why are you jeopardizing my childhood? I can't get behind a Michael Bay!

Why not? It's not like the Turtles don't already have a few stinkers already.

...Oh what am I saying?
The sodomy that Bay will commit with the TMNT franchise will make the previous lackluster movies and "musical" idiocy (run and never look back) seem like Citizen Kane in comparison.

I can't wait to see how he will butcher more of my childhood classics before someone does the sensible thing and takes the directing chair away from him.
...Or puts a bullet in his brain. Heaven knows I felt like I had three in mine while watching Transformers 2.

Oh. Shit. No.

Is no childhood memory safe from this man? NOTHING!?

..Bay, just.. walk. NOW!

Micheal Bay? Please stop retro-degrading my childhood? Please?!

After what he did to Transformers I don't think I'll ever watch one of his films again.

Dear God. He's attempting to sabotage the childhood memories of an entire generation... Next he'll get Thundercats... And then He-Man. WE'RE DOOMED!!

Bloody hell, now Bay will ruin part of my childhood with american flags in every scene possible.
Great, just great.

Sorry to buy into the stereotype but...

ARGH!!! Leave my fucking childhood alone Bay! You fucking ballbag!

Michael Bay is raping my childhood...

Oh god... NO! Do not f**king touch much childhood heroes. Don't you f**king dare. This makes me so sad.

No.... No! He's going to rape my childhood again!!

Why does this man want to destroy my childhood?

Well it seems Michael Bay is hell bent on raping all my fond childhood memories. Up next Michael Bay sexually assaults my third grade teacher!

....
alrighty then. im not going to blow this out of proportion, ill just be right back.

five minutes later...

ITS OVER ITS ALL OVER MY CHILDHOOD HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN DESECRATED OH JESUS I CANT DO IT ANYMORE!!!

[gunshot noise]

 

[Zing]

Hahahahahhaahahhaha

Hahahahahhaahahhahahahahah

Oh lawd. Why do people keep trying to make live action TMNT movies? It's just embarassing. Bay proves his incredible stupidity yet again.

 

[Necromancer1991]

Don't tell movie-bob, his rage will be like none ever witnessed by man!

 

[Nick Holmgren]

So a quick thread recap for those late to the party...(and apologies to the mods)

Screw you Michael Bay. I don't need anyone damaging my childhood memories more than they already have been. Leave TMNT alone, damnit!

Is it Michael Bays main aim to ruin every ones childhood

Another piece of my childhood about to be manhandled.

Well, there goes my childhood. First transformers, now TMNT. Thanks Michel Bay. Thanks.

Great, now he'll have fucked up the two biggest things in my childhood!

Enough! Michael Bay has gone too far his goal is clear, it's his desire to destroy everything in our childhoods. Something must be done!

You know, everyone accuses Rule 34 of "raping their childhood". Personally, I've decided just to accuse Michael Bay. I've never had to sit through news items on Rule 34. I've never seen commercials for Rule 34. I've never had the douchebags at the watercooler tell me how much better Rule 34 is than my childhood memories.

And as far as surprise testicles, 34 and Bay are running about even.

What is Bay's problem with my childhood?

My childhood is really tired of being raped. I really can't find words to express how crap this is.

Sigh...guess nothing from my childhood will ever be sacred. The entertainment industry desperately needs some *gasp* new ideas instead of just rebooting every damn film franchise.

God Damnit NO. No means No Bay, stop raping my childhood.

Everyone's childhood just died a bit more because of this man.

Wasn't killing ONE childhood icon enough to sate Bays thirst? There should be a limit on the number of icons a person is allowed to destory in their lifetime. In Bays case, that limit is One. One because he's already done one in. Any more than that, and I say, mmm, penalty of beheading.

My childhood memories... my poor, aching childhood memories.

What hath this demon wrought now?

[HEADING=1]STOP RAPING MY CHILDHOOD WITH EXPLOSIVES, MICHAEL BAY. THAT IS ALL.[/HEADING]

Michael Bay using my childhood franchises to learn? If you learn to play the drums you got to go to a studio! Go to an original story for God's sake! Why are you jeopardizing my childhood? I can't get behind a Michael Bay!

Why not? It's not like the Turtles don't already have a few stinkers already.

...Oh what am I saying?
The sodomy that Bay will commit with the TMNT franchise will make the previous lackluster movies and "musical" idiocy (run and never look back) seem like Citizen Kane in comparison.

I can't wait to see how he will butcher more of my childhood classics before someone does the sensible thing and takes the directing chair away from him.
...Or puts a bullet in his brain. Heaven knows I felt like I had three in mine while watching Transformers 2.

Oh. Shit. No.

Is no childhood memory safe from this man? NOTHING!?

..Bay, just.. walk. NOW!

Micheal Bay? Please stop retro-degrading my childhood? Please?!

After what he did to Transformers I don't think I'll ever watch one of his films again.

Dear God. He's attempting to sabotage the childhood memories of an entire generation... Next he'll get Thundercats... And then He-Man. WE'RE DOOMED!!

Bloody hell, now Bay will ruin part of my childhood with american flags in every scene possible.
Great, just great.

Sorry to buy into the stereotype but...

ARGH!!! Leave my fucking childhood alone Bay! You fucking ballbag!

Michael Bay is raping my childhood...

Oh god... NO! Do not f**king touch much childhood heroes. Don't you f**king dare. This makes me so sad.

No.... No! He's going to rape my childhood again!!

Why does this man want to destroy my childhood?

Well it seems Michael Bay is hell bent on raping all my fond childhood memories. Up next Michael Bay sexually assaults my third grade teacher!

....
alrighty then. im not going to blow this out of proportion, ill just be right back.

five minutes later...

ITS OVER ITS ALL OVER MY CHILDHOOD HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN DESECRATED OH JESUS I CANT DO IT ANYMORE!!!

[gunshot noise]

Yeah, pretty much. Everything Micheal Bay touches these days turns to crap. Then that crap comes back to rape you, in the childhood.

 

[ninja555]

I think Xan can best explain this: "Were all doomed."

 

[Atmos Duality]

Bay makes action films. He makes good ACTION films. If you want a film with story and plot go somewhere else but i'm getting tired of everyone who thinks its alright to hate on anything bay does.


You don't HAVE to watch it.

I'm afraid "You don't have to watch it." cannot excuse what I saw, and what I wish I could unsee. No, I didn't have to watch it to see how bad it was (but got dragged into seeing it anyway...long story).
Transformers 2 proved one thing to me: Bay does NOT make good action films. Rather, he takes a premise or license, cranks out a poorly made plot, and pads it out to the point where his own action becomes meaningless.

There's a few points in his movie where the time differential (such as when Megan Fox traveled across the continental US in only 3 hours...in a car?) doesn't match up. I suspect it's because he shot the scenes one after another, and then later added scenes in between those in post-production to lengthen the movie's running time.

Also, I give a Gold Star to whoever said that Bay makes good "action scenes", because to anyone who hasn't noticed yet, Michael Bay's method of shooting a movie revolves around two key practices:

1) The camera is to NEVER stop moving for more than 3 seconds. If it does, a transition is to occur.
2) Keep average clip and shot lengths to about 8 seconds. This makes the movie easy to edit.

Why does he use these techniques in every movie he shoots?
Because Michael Bay cannot develop a real scene for shit. Ever. He's great at making filler though.
His shots are brief because he cannot develop scenes any longer than that. They are also easy to remove or edit in post-production without hurting the movie's running time too badly.

The best scenes in my mind are those that build on themselves, but do not linger for so long that they become tiring for the audience. These scenes also move the plot forward without needing some stupid filler to pad the film out.

Bay's longest scenes are dedicated to his filler and toilet humor.
John Saturo in a speedo. Most of the potty humor. Megan Fox's "glory shots". These all get more scene length than just about any of the actual plot related scenes do.