Bay Goes From Transformers to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Waif

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chozo_hybrid said:
Waif said:
Aww, this is awesome ^~^! The Ninja Turtles are going back to their roots >~<! I am seriously excited to hear this news ^~^! The fact that they are gonna do it old school without all the computer animation, is just icing on the cake. I remember the first video when I was a kid, man that was like the most memorable moment ever! The second movie not so much, and the third I never saw (and from what I understand , this is a good thing), but I will always remember the first movie. I hope Michael Bay does really good with this! I liked what he did with the Transformers, as it did make sense to what I remembered from the 80's (well as far as personality with the transformers is concerned). I know that there will be a few people who don't like the rehashing of sacred childhood memories, but if this can help breath life back into what was one of the best franchises in the 80's then I am all for it.
Breathe new life into something that had a recent series and movie?

Also, you liked what he did to the Transformers? Giving them less screen time then they should have seeing as how the films are supposed to be about them. Making dogs hump onscreen and have a Transformer do it and to top it off, having Devastator appear just to make a testicle joke. He destroyed Cybertron so it can't ever be used, can't even follow his own continuity with several issues and gets some basic geography wrong as well.

Yeah, it really was just like the series /sarcasm.
If you noticed that in brackets I was referring to how the Transformers were portrayed as far as personalities were concerned. I had not elaborated on anything else. I, however, have yet to watch the second one.

When I said "breath new life" I was disregarding the new computer animated version of TMNT. Which I don't like at all. Likely because it is so far from what I remember of the ninja turtles. The article wrote of how he would use the old school method of portraying the ninja turtles (as in from the first 3 movies). It is the breath of life into this very aspect that I am referring to.

I hope that I have better clarified my points.
 

chozo_hybrid

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Waif said:
chozo_hybrid said:
Waif said:
Aww, this is awesome ^~^! The Ninja Turtles are going back to their roots >~<! I am seriously excited to hear this news ^~^! The fact that they are gonna do it old school without all the computer animation, is just icing on the cake. I remember the first video when I was a kid, man that was like the most memorable moment ever! The second movie not so much, and the third I never saw (and from what I understand , this is a good thing), but I will always remember the first movie. I hope Michael Bay does really good with this! I liked what he did with the Transformers, as it did make sense to what I remembered from the 80's (well as far as personality with the transformers is concerned). I know that there will be a few people who don't like the rehashing of sacred childhood memories, but if this can help breath life back into what was one of the best franchises in the 80's then I am all for it.
Breathe new life into something that had a recent series and movie?

Also, you liked what he did to the Transformers? Giving them less screen time then they should have seeing as how the films are supposed to be about them. Making dogs hump onscreen and have a Transformer do it and to top it off, having Devastator appear just to make a testicle joke. He destroyed Cybertron so it can't ever be used, can't even follow his own continuity with several issues and gets some basic geography wrong as well.

Yeah, it really was just like the series /sarcasm.
If you noticed that in brackets I was referring to how the Transformers were portrayed as far as personalities were concerned. I had not elaborated on anything else. I, however, have yet to watch the second one.

When I said "breath new life" I was disregarding the new computer animated version of TMNT. Which I don't like at all. Likely because it is so far from what I remember of the ninja turtles. The article wrote of how he would use the old school method of portraying the ninja turtles (as in from the first 3 movies). It is the breath of life into this very aspect that I am referring to.

I hope that I have better clarified my points.
The Transformers in the new movies had little to no personality because they had no real time to develop on screen, they were all pretty two dimensional.

But thanks for the clarification on the Turtles bit, I get what you mean.
 

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Don't worry, guys. I'm on this Michael Bay problem...*Cocks gun*

I'm not even gonna watch whatever crap he produces. As far as I'm concerned, this isn't happening.
 

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Well i wasent ever a massive fan of TMNT....ok i did enjoy transformers...and maybe the 2nd one


ok ill shut up before i get linched.
I enjoyed them as well. That doesn't mean that they are good movies.

I am just hoping that he doesn't fuck it up like everything else he has done.
 

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Oh christ, another thing Bay's out to ruin.
i would say TMNT has already been ruined...Bay is just being the nice guy who comes around to make sure it is dead and not suffering in a pit. Ok I'll shut up now before I get lynched.
 

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I'm really getting sick to death of all the nerdraging about Michael Bay. Jesus fucking Christ! Grow the hell up! It's not like he's the fucking Antichrist or anything. And it's not like he's directing the goddamn thing anyway. He's just producing it. Regardless of whether he's good or not, Paramount gave it to him simply because he's been proven to make them MONEY!!!!

Or let me put it another way...they don't CARE about you nerds, no matter how much you complain. It's really kind of pathetic seeing a whole bunch of nerds getting apoplectic on the internet over this guy. And frankly, I don't think his films are all that bad. I can think of guys who are worse (Uwe Boll and Tom Six come to mind). I've seen The Rock, Armageddon and The Island and I like them all. I have no problems with them whatsoever. Yes, ROTF was bad, but that was because of the writer's strike since the guys who wrote the movie weren't available for input. Bay had to take up the slack, and a lot of the stuff everyone hated, like Mudflap and Skids and Devastator's balls, were his ideas. So no, as a writer he sucks. Fortunately there's a full-time writer for Transformers 3, and he'll mitigate a lot of Bay's ideas.

You want to do something productive? Write Paramount. Get a petition started. Put all your money together and make your own fucking studio. SOMETHING! Just grow the hell up and stop bitching on the internet about it.
 

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chozo_hybrid said:
Waif said:
chozo_hybrid said:
Waif said:
Aww, this is awesome ^~^! The Ninja Turtles are going back to their roots >~<! I am seriously excited to hear this news ^~^! The fact that they are gonna do it old school without all the computer animation, is just icing on the cake. I remember the first video when I was a kid, man that was like the most memorable moment ever! The second movie not so much, and the third I never saw (and from what I understand , this is a good thing), but I will always remember the first movie. I hope Michael Bay does really good with this! I liked what he did with the Transformers, as it did make sense to what I remembered from the 80's (well as far as personality with the transformers is concerned). I know that there will be a few people who don't like the rehashing of sacred childhood memories, but if this can help breath life back into what was one of the best franchises in the 80's then I am all for it.
Breathe new life into something that had a recent series and movie?

Also, you liked what he did to the Transformers? Giving them less screen time then they should have seeing as how the films are supposed to be about them. Making dogs hump onscreen and have a Transformer do it and to top it off, having Devastator appear just to make a testicle joke. He destroyed Cybertron so it can't ever be used, can't even follow his own continuity with several issues and gets some basic geography wrong as well.

Yeah, it really was just like the series /sarcasm.
If you noticed that in brackets I was referring to how the Transformers were portrayed as far as personalities were concerned. I had not elaborated on anything else. I, however, have yet to watch the second one.

When I said "breath new life" I was disregarding the new computer animated version of TMNT. Which I don't like at all. Likely because it is so far from what I remember of the ninja turtles. The article wrote of how he would use the old school method of portraying the ninja turtles (as in from the first 3 movies). It is the breath of life into this very aspect that I am referring to.

I hope that I have better clarified my points.
The Transformers in the new movies had little to no personality because they had no real time to develop on screen, they were all pretty two dimensional.

But thanks for the clarification on the Turtles bit, I get what you mean.
Well, I don't know. Maybe I was just filling in the blanks with my own memories. Though Optimus Prime seemed really significant to me. To me it seemed that the characters fit with what I had remembered. The humor employed was, lacking. Though I never watched the movie for the humor, it was just to see the new Transformers. It is true that to people who did not even know of the Transformers before they saw the movie would not have had time to really understand the characters involved. Maybe I have made a mistake in my earlier judgement. My thanks for the information.
 

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Michael Bay must be stopped, gather you pitch forks and torches my brethren its time to go angry mob on his ass.
 

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Hmmm, well I have mixed thoughts on the subject due to my opinion on the source material.

Years ago I really liked the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" when they were in the black and white comic form, and the storylines while including humor were fairly serious. This was at a time when the comics code was dying, and one of the things that made TMNT cool was how the silliness was meshed so well with the grit and brutality. It could be said that like "The Punisher" at the time, TMNT was an analysis of comics as a whole on some levels, and also a criticism-in print of both publication standards of the time, and the conventions brought into comics themselves to try and work within those limitations... like the time honored "code against killing".

Oddly, maybe it's that I grew up too fast, or at least my tastes in fantasy did, but when 1990 rolled around I was 15. I was also less than impressed by the desician of Eastman and Laird to basically sell out to Archie Comics, and what they did with the franchise. The characters were greatly changed, and the tone was modified on a lot of levels to turn it into exactly the kind of politically correct "kiddified" comic that it set out to mock/turn away from to begin with. TMNT was never exactly a blood drenched book, but it didn't shy away from such things when appropriate. However with the change of sponsorship you would no longer even see the lethal connection of a weapon. Rather than the insersion of humor and silliness in to what were presented as some pretty serious situations, you saw the entire thriving on total absurdity.

To me what I guess kind of ruined The Turtles, despite oddly enough watching, was the TV show where they had this giant orange van, painted with turtle shells, that says "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" on the side, and is apparently loaded with death rays hanging off the sides... which nobody noticed as they drove it around. Yet somehow despite this monstrosity that was a shameless toy commercial, they still somehow had to hide in the sewers? They didn't even bother to keep the logic of the series consistant and for me I guess "To The Turtle Van" more or less defined what was wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Kevin Eastman (hey he even married Julie Strain for a while!) and Peter Laird... BUT I did not like the way they sold out this paticular creation, despite their differances.

The point of this rant is that I'm not really sure what Michael Bay could do to the Ninja Turtles that hasn't already been done. Hardly anyone knows the characters I was originally fond of, and the cartoon/archie comics version was such a satire that I don't think it's possible to ruin it... I mean at one point they had the characters turning into mutant "Hulk turtles" if I remember (very late in the evolution of one version of the show) and even introduced a female turtle into the series due to attacks about political correctness.

With "The Transformers" the shows WERE glorified toy commercials, and they were written for young children, but there was a fairly good overall plotline. I say fairly good, because we're dealing with something on the level of passable pulp sci-fi, not "OMG, someone start tossing out the awards". There are certain standards, and expectations for what characters should be like, how they should behave, and of course what themses the storyline is supposed to focus on.

With TMNT, they already destroyed it to the "we'll do anything for a gag" level, the characterization except for "Kowabunga" and "oh boy, Pizza", is more or less non-existant. The bad guys themselves are more of a running joke than a credible threat in most cases (I mean honestly, have Beebop and Rock Steady ever won a fight without massively extenuating circumstances?... they don't even do a decent job of at least ACTING like they could be formidible. I mean sure, Megatron lost in pretty much every episode, but at least he was written well enough where he was a credible badass... in the cartoons you couldn't even give Shredder much credit after a while.... in the comics they managed to keep him cool by killing him off when it was appropriate, instead of dusting him off for a masochistic beat down every 30 minutes).

Alright, enough rambling.

Bottom line here is that while I guess I can feel for the fans, I'm not sure if this is a franchise that can be ruined. Nothing I can think of that Michael Bay could do, could possibly be worse than some of the stuff they did in the TV series, especially when it lingered on long after it's time.

Even if you don't know the original comics, I think a lot of fans might be a bit suprised if they were to sit down and actually think on this one.
 

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NO, HELL NO, LEAVE THEM ALONE!

Yay to all the compilation videos that just so happen to express my true hatred for this idea...
 

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Wasn't killing ONE childhood icon enough to sate Bays thirst? There should be a limit on the number of icons a person is allowed to destory in their lifetime. In Bays case, that limit is One. One because he's already done one in. Any more than that, and I say, mmm, penalty of beheading.
 

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dogstile said:
Bay makes action films. He makes good ACTION films. If you want a film with story and plot go somewhere else but i'm getting tired of everyone who thinks its alright to hate on anything bay does. He's good at what he does. If you don't like it don't pay to see it.
I don't think most of the people here agree that Bay makes good action movies, and I can see why. This is all subjective, so saying that he's good at what he does doesn't mean that it's true, it's purely your opinion, so commenting on other people for having a different mindset is just kinda pointless. I don't agree with you, but I respect your opinion, even though I find most of his camera work is terrible, it usually focuses on the wrong part of an action scene (in Transformers 2, for example, when he had giant robots fighting in the background while we got a focus shot on the faces of soldiers).
 

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I think some people really need to go back and watch the old Transformers and TMNT shows and movies and ask themselves if they are really as good as they remember.