Did you catch the news about the policeman shooting and killing somebody who wasn't a suspect in anything, in a private residence, while she was in bed?
Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread
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You can SAY you condemn something, but if your actions contradict that statement, it smacks of bullshit. I mean, I can say I hate kicking puppies all day, but if you see me then, constantly kicking puppies, I think people would be justified to think I am fucking lying.
But his actions don't contradict the statement. He has policies specifically to benefit racial minorities. He brags when they do well. Where's the contradiction?
I'd check if you were being paid minimum wage to kick those puppies all day, because that would track.
Agreed. Example of something I would like some enforcement mechanism brought into effect: when body cams are not used and should have been. Even if nothing untoward happens. I cannot think of a legit reason they would answer a call or be doing a raid without them turned on. If nothing else, if something does happen, the camera can offer exculpatory evidence.
If you are writing of Breana Taylor, while much of your fact pattern is wrong, they STILL didn't have their body cams on, which they should have been. One cop is seen after the fact improperly intruding into the property allegedly and improperly looking for shell cases. This is a story worth following.
But you are trying to make a debaters argument and it fails. A cop doing his duty is not the same thing as some viscous thugs assaulting people.
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Like 2/3? None. But they should easily retain control. Senate is going to be the close race, it's within possibility that they get half (impossible to get 60). Fun to note that at the moment, the democrat in the senate have received something like 15 millions more vote than the republican, they currently have 0 power there.
The house is pretty safe, apparently. The Senate is a toss up. There's a lot of close races there, including LIndsey Graham in South Carolina, bless his hypocritical black little heart, who was complaining he's getting buried in the funding race.
‘Help me’: Graham begs for cash in tighter-than-expected race
South Carolina hasn’t voted for a Democratic senator since 1998, but Graham faces a well-funded opponent and changing political tides.
www.politico.com
I'm sure if he prays hard enough Jesus will send him some money or failing that, his boy Donald.
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"Kushner's axed coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and they could blame the governors, report says"
"As U.S. deaths mount, virus takes outsize toll on minorities"
"The Majority Of Children Who Die From COVID-19 Are Children Of Color"
"Trump's food stamp cuts begin soon – and black Americans to be hardest hit"
Abandoning minorities because he thinks it kills more democrats isn't benefiting minorities. Forcing Tribes to sue to receive their COVID-19 aid isn't helping minorities. Taking away minorities food stamps isn't helping minorities. Trump fast tracking the keystone pipeline after Obama stopped it to cause harm to the Tribes by bypassing environmental impact studies forcing them to sue to stop him isn't helping minorities. Repealing the Affordable Care Act Disproportionately affects Minorities relying on the Medicaid expansion and relying on subsidies is not helping minorities. Trumps attacks on low income housing disproportionality affects minorities isn't helping minorities... just to name a few... Sick, hungry, homeless, dead isn't helping..
Native American Tribes Sue Treasury Over Stimulus Aid as They Feud Over Funding (Published 2020)
A dispute among native populations over $8 billion in federal coronavirus relief has delayed aid to tribes that are among the hardest-hit by Covid-19.
Kushner's axed coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and they could blame the governors, report says - News Break
Some members of Jared Kushner's axed coronavirus task force believed the pandemic would affect Democratic areas worse, according to a Vanity Fair report, and may have adjusted their approach accordingly. During March and early April, Kushner gathered a team to devise a nationwide response to the...
www.newsbreak.com
Cases, Data, and Surveillance
Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.
As U.S. deaths mount, virus takes outsize toll on minorities
As many as 215,000 more people than usual died in the U.S. during the first seven months of 2020, suggesting that the number of lives lost to the coronavirus is significantly higher than the official toll. And half the dead were people of color.
www.modernhealthcare.com
The Majority Of Children Who Die From COVID-19 Are Children Of Color
According to data reported to the CDC, 121 children died from COVID-19 between February and July of this year. And 78% of the children who died were Hispanic, Black or Native American.
www.npr.org
A judge handed the Standing Rock tribes a big win in their Dakota Access Pipeline fight.
He halted operations indefinitely.
www.motherjones.com
African American Uninsured Rate Dropped by More Than a Third Under Affordable Care Act | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
The Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) expansion of Medicaid and reforms to the individual insurance market, including subsidized coverage for people with incomes up to four times the poverty line, have...
www.cbpp.org
Trump's food stamp cuts begin soon – and black Americans to be hardest hit
New work requirements are set to throw 700,000 people off Snap benefits, with African Americans to be particularly hard hit
www.theguardian.com
You have no idea how much I wish Graham would lose. Him and the rest of those jack asses blocking the $600 unemployment relief.. I hope his opponent is running ads making sure everyone hears " over my dead body" and why he won't send the help they need now 24/7.The house is pretty safe, apparently. The Senate is a toss up. There's a lot of close races there, including LIndsey Graham in South Carolina, bless his hypocritical black little heart, who was complaining he's getting buried in the funding race.
‘Help me’: Graham begs for cash in tighter-than-expected race
South Carolina hasn’t voted for a Democratic senator since 1998, but Graham faces a well-funded opponent and changing political tides.
I'm sure if he prays hard enough Jesus will send him some money or failing that, his boy Donald.
Based on last time, Biden is behind.
The polls for Hillary were saying was far ahead in 2016 so even if he's only slightly ahead in the polls it means in real terms he's behind because when you take the polls in Portland and Silicon valley you have to remember to adjust them for the rest of the USA.
And you know actually stop people just basically screwing over Red States for the sake of it because they don't have the population density. Otherwise you could get some asshole presidential candidate go "Well dump all our nuclear waste in the open in the useless flyover states because they don't matter and they'll just have to deal with it".
And Bernie then goes "Well if getting free healthcare for those who need it and people not facing the choice of death by cancer or death by debt having survived it is socialism then I think a lot of people would very much like that. Be it the average worker who can recover and then not be stressing out at work or the business owner who gets a workforce not racked with stress and barely able to work just turning up because they have to. Instead they get less stressed healthier workers."
People who stick with the "Trump was behind in the polls last time too, the polls are wrong!"
Understand in 2016, America was fighting among its own parties and generally filled with apathy and complacency cause "trump could never actually win"
2020 America has seen trump can win, hasn't split their party with infighting and wants him out.
Understand in 2016, America was fighting among its own parties and generally filled with apathy and complacency cause "trump could never actually win"
2020 America has seen trump can win, hasn't split their party with infighting and wants him out.
Based on last time, Biden is behind.
The polls for Hillary were saying was far ahead in 2016 so even if he's only slightly ahead in the polls it means in real terms he's behind because when you take the polls in Portland and Silicon valley you have to remember to adjust them for the rest of the USA.
And you know actually stop people just basically screwing over Red States for the sake of it because they don't have the population density. Otherwise you could get some asshole presidential candidate go "Well dump all our nuclear waste in the open in the useless flyover states because they don't matter and they'll just have to deal with it".
His actually words were "Yes I will sure, who do you want me to specifically condemn, which group would you like me to condemn"
To which the moderator couldn't name a specific group and Trump didn't then tell White supremacists to stand back and stand by but The proud Boys which based on the debate as the moderator couldn't name any specific white supremacist groups means the proud boys aren't white supremacists.
It's actually a clever trick by Trump when you think about it because the argument is you can't condemn AntiFA violence because AnitFA aren't a group so he turned it round seemingly to apply the same arguement the other way round to show an example of the issue with said arguments. If it was deliberate or accidental who knows but again if AntiFA isn't a group and the vague ideology can't be condemned because they're not a group then the same can be argued the other way round.
I mean of course you should be able to condemn the ideology of White supremacy & burning down small buisnesses ithe USA and acting like Brownshirts in the streets while claiming to be fighting fascists.
No just Anti-Israel sentiment and conspiracies about Rothchild weather control machines
Well some of it (based on arrests and charges) was being prepared at The Riot kitchen.
Mostly the hierachy seems to be local cell leaders and groups and cells calling on other cells for assistance.
Seems like it.
The Proud Boys
AntiFa
Which based on the arguments presented The Proud Boys aren't white supremacist because the moderator didn't name them as a White supremacist group Trump needed to denounce. If they were so clearly that then why wouldn't the moderator just name them?
Well I'm sure they're loving the fact a recent special adviser to Obama said if the Democrats didn't win they'd be calling for a break up of the union with blue states breaking away from Red States to form their own independent country.
I didn't see anything this year that compared to the schism between the clinton and bernie supporters.
Obviously the primaries are all about competing with each other.
Is it true what Trump said though that he released more black people from prison than previous administration? The democrat '3 strikes out' law have always struck me as particularly harsh and has in no small part contributed to black people being disproportionally locked up for minor offenses.
I could kinda follow his approach to the covid crisis. Trump did what he could by closing down the airports but now that the virus is endemic there needs to be a proportionate response. Children aren't affected. Younger people aren't affected. Healthy people aren't affected. It are mostly the very old, fat and those with severe underlying medical disorders and mostly both. I've always considered an approach where high risk and low risk minimize contact to be the best because this virus is here to stay for atleast a decade. After that it probably diminishes in severity due to natural selection.
I'm for collective health insurance because it's a sign of civilization but costs get out of control really fast. In Europe it eats up like a third or even crawling up to half of the entire government budget. It also has the adverse effect that there is a clear division between those that pay and those who spent the resources. Now ofcourse nobody can help if they get sick but much of those resources are wasted on frivolous visits or expensive treatments that might expand the lifespan with a few days. I sometimes feel it really benefits the insurance and drug companies more because it's basically profit at market value without any of the competition or risks. Trump is not wrong that Medicare will drive up prices.
Trump also has a better point with the climate change crisis. It needs to be a gradual process and if people are able to buy more fuel efficient cars than this would be preferable over aiming too high at excessive costs. Biden's vision of a 'green economy' that provide well paying jobs for those at the minimum seems like a pipe dream to me. Atleast for the foreseeable future. It's really a selective expertise that only a few companies make good money from because of government(ie taxpayer) compensation. Sooner or later the old, polluting economy needs to be replaced but it can't be done overnight. The finances simply aren't there and when push comes to shove there is no public support to carry the costs other than 'the government' needs to pay. Start with small incentives and gradually it will build up. It's already working with huge energy companies switching to durable energies and a reduced demand for fossile fuels and huge overproduction in the middle east. It should be a concerted global effort otherwise it's pointless.
Concerning the mail-in ballots Trump does have a point that it's potentially very fraudulent. It could delay the outcome of the election for months and might necessitate the supreme court to make a decision which is damaging to democratic legitimacy. No justice should decide over this. Espescially with elections as controversial as this one. I also never understood how some districts weigh heavier than others and why college votes are a thing instead of the candidate with the majority votes as it should be in a democracy. But it is what it is I guess.
I could kinda follow his approach to the covid crisis. Trump did what he could by closing down the airports but now that the virus is endemic there needs to be a proportionate response. Children aren't affected. Younger people aren't affected. Healthy people aren't affected. It are mostly the very old, fat and those with severe underlying medical disorders and mostly both. I've always considered an approach where high risk and low risk minimize contact to be the best because this virus is here to stay for atleast a decade. After that it probably diminishes in severity due to natural selection.
I'm for collective health insurance because it's a sign of civilization but costs get out of control really fast. In Europe it eats up like a third or even crawling up to half of the entire government budget. It also has the adverse effect that there is a clear division between those that pay and those who spent the resources. Now ofcourse nobody can help if they get sick but much of those resources are wasted on frivolous visits or expensive treatments that might expand the lifespan with a few days. I sometimes feel it really benefits the insurance and drug companies more because it's basically profit at market value without any of the competition or risks. Trump is not wrong that Medicare will drive up prices.
Trump also has a better point with the climate change crisis. It needs to be a gradual process and if people are able to buy more fuel efficient cars than this would be preferable over aiming too high at excessive costs. Biden's vision of a 'green economy' that provide well paying jobs for those at the minimum seems like a pipe dream to me. Atleast for the foreseeable future. It's really a selective expertise that only a few companies make good money from because of government(ie taxpayer) compensation. Sooner or later the old, polluting economy needs to be replaced but it can't be done overnight. The finances simply aren't there and when push comes to shove there is no public support to carry the costs other than 'the government' needs to pay. Start with small incentives and gradually it will build up. It's already working with huge energy companies switching to durable energies and a reduced demand for fossile fuels and huge overproduction in the middle east. It should be a concerted global effort otherwise it's pointless.
Concerning the mail-in ballots Trump does have a point that it's potentially very fraudulent. It could delay the outcome of the election for months and might necessitate the supreme court to make a decision which is damaging to democratic legitimacy. No justice should decide over this. Espescially with elections as controversial as this one. I also never understood how some districts weigh heavier than others and why college votes are a thing instead of the candidate with the majority votes as it should be in a democracy. But it is what it is I guess.
Nope. The final set of polls last time put Clinton about 3% up at the end. Her winning margin on the popular vote was 2.1%, so the polls were pretty good. She lost because she lost a load of key battlegrounds states by very tight margins (~1% or under).
Biden is ~7% up nationally. If the polls are similarly accurate to 2016, then Trump needs to get that down to at least 4% just to have a shot of keeping the presidency. Bear in mind there are also a load of individual state polls, and these reinforce the apparent national picture. In a lot of these key battleground states he won by very small margins in 2016, Trump is about 5% down. Voters seem to already be extremely locked in, hence the incredible stability of the polls: Biden's been consistently about 6-8% for months and months, with very few spikes or troughs.
The current picture looks extremely grim for Trump. There's still lots that can happen, of course.
But he never actually does it. He's specifically prompted to do so and he doesn't do it. Read the transcript:
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Fact is, when prompted to condemn white supremacy and groups that pursue it (which should be so easy to do), he fails to do so. Says he going to, but doesn't. Bottles it. Fluffs it. Swings and misses. Shits the bed.
lol no.
How is that any different from "Trump couldn't possibly win a second time"?
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