BioWare Co-Founder Promises Closure For Mass Effect 3

[Agente L]

Really? That's it? People are bitching because the story ends a tragedy? Maybe the point is that it doesn't matter what you do. I think that it's a valid artistic statement. You "fans" have to stop your bitching.

You missed the point of that post completely.

It never was about having a "tragedy end". Most of us expected it.

What was lame was the entire disregard for estabilished canon, the useless sacrifice shepard did (since the entire galactic community will die) and the choices we made (and the whole war "thingies" I can't remember the name you gather at me3) doesn't matter.

I suggest you to watch this video. It got really nice, well thought arguments about that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E

 

[shintakie10]

I see alot of people mad about no closure, and no choices. I saw plenty of choices through the game. I agree it might have been better they had not made all those promises and you just played the game. As far as closure goes, yeah it would be nice to have that. But what if they didn't do it because they were making another game. I just remember hearing something about this was just the end of Shepard's story and not the end of the Mass Effect universe. But that could be me just dreaming.
Nothing is ever set in stone. But would more choices make the ending that much better? If it was indoctrination, I would almost consider that more badass that he overcame something, nobody else had. Something that had been improved upon over thousands, even millions of years, and Shepard overcame it?

Explain to me how all the choices in Mass Effect 1-3 have absolutely any effect on the endin of Mass Effect 3? Remember that amazin moral dilemma in Mass Effect 2 where you need to decide whether to mind control the renegade geth or blow them up? Really great stuff right there. Fast forward to the end of Mass Effect 3, how in any way shape or form did that decision which should have had lastin impact on the universe changed anythin? Or how about the Rachni in Mass Effect 1? What about the decision to save the council in the first game?

Now how about the decisions in Mass Effect 3. Say you are unable to get the Geth and Quarians to team up. How in any way does your endin differ from someone who actually did stop them and get them to reconcile? It didn't, at all. Because of the retarded war assets a person who did fuck all to get the galaxy ready for the final fight can have the exact same, literal carbon copy, endin as someone who carefully prepared for the end. Do you not realize how, in a series that prides itself so much on player choice matterin, that is completely fucked.

 

[MrGalactus]

This is whole ME ending scandal is almost a genius marketing scheme....the DLC sales will be....................immense.

 

[Seanfall]

I'm still hoping the ending falls under the 'indoctrination' theory. I do, it's looking less and less likely with every statement they make. And yeah I know it 'stinks of desperation'. But I still hope that this was the plan from the beginning. It's not likely but if it was if it IS. They'd have pulled off something amazing.

Sadly the cynic in me is more then willing to belief they fucked up five+ years of writing, Plot, and Character development to pull off some avant-grade art house BS. Which...no I don't have any respect for. Call me a close minded bastard if you want. I don't care I just want a good ending.

Yes...a GOOD ending, I want at least a chance at a happy ending, Different from the ones we got, not just closure, not just an explanation I want a happy ending no wait let me rephrase that. I want the CHANCE to get the happy ending. I don't care if I have to work my ass off for it, if I have to do Multiplayer I was planning on it anyway when we got Geth up in there. But I want the shot the chance the CHOICE. Does everyone have to live? No...should everyone get the CHANCE to live. Yes. That's what, to me, Mass Effect, at least with Shepard's story, has been about overcoming all odds and somehow walking away from it all to fight another day.

And again: Please let the indoctrination theory be true. Just....for something to make sense.

 

[Aggieknight]

Explaining why the Normandy was mid jump while a war was still raging on would be a nice start.

Honestly, at this point, that would make me happy. That's my biggest beef. I can explain the rest of the stupid ending in my mind, but I can't begin to come up with a scenario that explains why/how Joker is fleeing the battle with the two people that I was assaulting the reapers with to crash on random planet.

 

[Hollock]

We realize our fans are fucking losers and that the promise of fucking Tali for another couple decades was their only reason for living so we're gonna fix the ending where you unite the entire fucking universe to defeat something that has been destroying civilizations for millions of years. Because games aren't art. You win.

 

[BoogieManFL]

I refuse to believe they thought the ending was good, it almost defies belief how out of the spirit of the series it is. It's short, poorly done, virtually no difference for the "multiple endings" and gave nothing back in the form of closure or answers and is absolutely infested with plot holes.

As well crafted as the rest of the game and the series is, it's a real mind fuck how hard they dropped the ball in the last 10 minutes.

Too all the people defending it, you're wrong. Yes, me, who always says everyone is entitled to their own opinion is saying you're just flat wrong. It's not artistic decision, it's just plain bad. If you paint a big beautiful canvas that evokes emotion and wonder at it's masterful nature, and then you slap some crappy drunken finger painting in the middle people are going to notice and going to point out how it doesn't fit in with the rest and in fact ruins the whole with it's presence.

 

[Gather]

I'd patch in about 2 minutes of text saying all this shit that characters did after the explosion, then told everyone to fuck off. The game isn't perfect, live with it.

That is what I would have wanted. A cool cut-scene (What we have) with some stills afterwards with some guy explaining how your actions have changed the galaxy in the next 10/20 years.

Heck, text scroll with music in the background would have been nice (if a little cheap). I can't help but think this ending was limited by the "Shoot stuff, ignore story" gameplay mode because the people who would choose that mode wouldn't give two damns about the ending... So Bioware went for the bare minimum to save money.

 

[Sansha]

I'm actually disappointed that they're caving. There's various animations, bugs and images that certainly need repairing, but they shouldn't change the ending and story because people don't like it.

Game's aren't art. Stories are.

 

[Kanatatsu]

Call it "art" all you like, Ray, but if you keep fucking it up, pissing off the people who buy the "art", then charging them to correct it (DLC), you'll be out of business sooner than you think.

 

[Lancer873]

I... i... I'm sorry but I still can't get over the FTC complaint over false advertising bit...
WHAT? I just... what?

 

[Saulkar]

The endings were just bad!
This video explains why.

This is a potential counter argument but it does not address several plot holes and generally bad execution.


Do not tell me no shit about artistic integrity.

 

[Saulkar]

Of course there's going to be closure. Hell, post-game DLC was a given. And check this out:

http://angryjoeshow.com/2012/03/indoctrination-theory-proof-of-me3-ending-dlc/

It's highly unlikely that the "end" of ME3 was the true finale.

It has arrived. The dawn of integral game components being shaved off to be sold as DLC like the endings.

 

[beniki]

Oh really? New games and DLC for us to buy? You're too kind.

I stand by my opinion that the ending of Mass Effect 3 was a marketing choice, and has as much to do with 'artistic integrity' as... you know what, I can't think of an appropriate analogy. Basically, it has nothing to do with artistic choice, and I'm almost certain we'll be hearing how it was forced on the devs in a few years time.

 

[Metalrocks]

i feel so much better now. (sarcasm)
the ending just sucks and once a DLC will come out, it better be free. because i payed for a full game with a full ending, not half a game were i have to get a DLC to see how it really ends.
nice of him to step up but his explanation is still weak.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Oh really? New games and DLC for us to buy? You're too kind.

I stand by my opinion that the ending of Mass Effect 3 was a marketing choice, and has as much to do with 'artistic integrity' as... you know what, I can't think of an appropriate analogy. Basically, it has nothing to do with artistic choice, and I'm almost certain we'll be hearing how it was forced on the devs in a few years time.

They had another ending that made more sense that they scrapped when half the people writing it either left or got laid off. Then they made a new one in the span of the last half a year (Probably less) or so.

 

[CleverCover]

Thank goodness they replied because there was nothing about their promises of "different" endings in what they gave us. Artistic integrity nonsense. That doesn't stop people from calling you out on something crappy.

I'm actually just as upset at everyone defending that like it means something. I don't care about it being art. That makes it sound pretentious, I just want it to be taken seriously. I want to be able to say "That studio is like Pixar, but in videogames. They are that awesome. They tell a story and make you care about the characters and entertain you." I want it to not be seen as a thing only for geeks and loners.

If people can call out Bullshit on Shamalayan movies and Stephanie Meyer books, why can't we do the same here? They have just as much artistic integrity as Hudson and Walters do. we criticize them and call out when we think something is just crap. Hell, Meyer still thinks her books are great, but she's not writing much any more is she? Bioware can play that card too, but eventually people will stop buying their stuff out of avoiding dissapointment.

They made an epic trilogy and decided to end it with a twist as a cop out to justify DLC, but I know they can make satisfying endings or at least endings that make sense. They've done it for a bunch of other games. Jade Empire had an ending that changed based on what you did or didn't do and it was freaking text based. I enjoyed that more than the three color nonsense.

They can pretend to hide behind art, but I'm not going to go out and pay for a Picasso painting because I don't like it. I'm not going to commission that guy who painted Iron Man's face in pee for something nice to put on my wall. If I want a game with a satisfying ending, then I might not get that unless people get super pissed.

This whole thing could have been avoided if they just put an ending that could at least bring closure, not bring more questions and effectively kill the more at the same time. It's almost as bad as Fable 2....

....wow, that was cathartic....