BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

[Still Life]

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I don't make a habit of pandering to people who manufacture reasons to be sanctimonious gas canisters.


I make no apologies for the broader point I made which apparently directly involves you. So be it.

 

[Knight Templar]

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I don't make a habit of pandering to people who manufacture reasons to be sanctimonious gas canisters.

Apologizing for a mistake is pandering? Being honestly insulted is creating a problem?
Suddenly you make a lot more sense,

I make no apologies for the broader point I made which apparently directly involves you. So be it.

So were you just pretending to understand what I was saying before?

So I've been trolled, great. Thanks for wasting my time, next time get your fun some other way. I should have caught on when you were arguing that comments directly referencing me were unrelated to me.

 

[Sovvolf]

Reported for low post content . Now give yourself a warning or possibly a probation.

-flees and hides behind desk-

As for the article... Good. ME3's ending spoiled the entire series for me. May seem a little extreme saying that but it's true. I was going to replay it beginning to end probably countless times more however... With an ending like that? Whats the point?.

-Reads the following page- Seems I got beaten to the punch -hangs head in shame-

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

 

[megaadair]

I wasn't satisfyed with the ending either, but this is a little over the top. All I want is the relays to still work and the universe to comtinue.

 

[Bvenged]

People are even more angry about the Extended Cut DLC?

I was actually moderately pleased ._.

The bad ending is already out there, no point taking it all back now, the only thing worth doing is making it less bad.

It is a step in the right direction, and only if by "clarification" they mean "actual reflection on the decisions you've made".

A re-written ending is massively preferred, but full and proper clarification will suffice.

 

[Ishigami]

Of course it is false advertising. Calling them out on it is also completely within the consumer rights. I hope some day something like this makes it to a court.
That would be delightful.

 

[Nimcha]

Majorie Stephens, the director of communications for the Better Business Bureau of Northern Indiana

Smart girl, this one. Now everybody knows who she is!

 

[Still Life]

So I've been trolled, great.

Such a pity it's such a tired trump card. I needn't have indulged in the aforementioned sin when you did such a spectacular job on yourself.

There was no pretension before you decided to become an add-water-histrionic, who puts socks into mouths and chimes 'troll'. You got/get a free slice of apathy for that.

I wasn't satisfyed with the ending either, but this is a little over the top. All I want is the relays to still work and the universe to comtinue.

Judging from the news that has come out (PA report) and after watching the PAX panel QA, you'll most likely get just that.

The idea of an 'extended cut', or an 'addendum' isn't new to film or literature so I don't really relate to that particular tenet of the 'artistic integrity' side of the debate. Having said that, it appears Bioware are staying with the ending and adding some layers of clarity to what was established, which I see as a good thing.

 

[Knight Templar]

So I've been trolled, great.

Such a pity it's such a tired trump card. I needn't have indulged in the aforementioned sin when you did such a spectacular job on yourself.

There was no pretension before you decided to become an add-water-histrionic, who puts socks into mouths and chimes 'troll'. You got/get a free slice of apathy for that.

Rather than continuing to spew pretentious and baseless insults at me you could just agree, it's as obvious either way. And I'm done feeding you.

If you were not trolling then try to keep a better track of your own opinion in the future. But you won't be getting any more from me, go on do the whole "I'm so great" dance you're getting into, don't let the fact nobody is listening stop you.

EDIT: IS casually making light of mental conditions a common thing for you? Here's a tip, if you don't want to look like a troll do not try to pretend the other side suffers from a psychological disorder to justify your antics. Unlike the ending to a videogame this is serious, not something for you to thow around to make yourself feel big.

EDIT2: "I do charity work." So? Ahahah.
How do you breathe through all that irony? lol. Good for you, first person I ever put on ignore.

 

[Krukmeister]

People don't like the endings they're given. 'I know,' says Bioware, 'let's expand on the endings that the people don't like!'

Just sheer genius.

 

[Mister K]

Obviously you haven't heard of the fans blackout boycott of Modern Warfare 3 on 4-20-12

Youpoint, like most of the douche bags and asshole journalist like movie Bob, and that Colin guy at ign who has his head up his ass. if people are promised something and built up and invested into it(fans who spent money and expected the advertising to hold up to the money invested into a gross product IS AN INVESTMENT) have a right to complain when a company didn't deliver what it advertised.let's say you ordered a pizza and they royally fucked up your order and then ignore your complaints for one month, then when they finally respond they tell you they will clarify why they did that and they are not going to give you a new one, wouldn't you feel entitled to get what you paid MONEY for? Or would let the company continue to treat you and its consumers like shit?

Hmm... They promised an extraordinary expirience, they delivered.
They messed up with the ending, they are fixing it.
I don't see your point.
P.S. No need to call people names for having different opinions from yours. That is disrespectful for you and the target of your insults.
P.P.S. You want an example of bad company politics? Here you go:
Capcom. They released Street Fighter X Tekken with ALL the DLC content on the disk and, after Vita version will be released, they'll charge $20 for it.
Bioware messed up, true, but they delivered a complete gaming expirience, while Capcom is just being greedy.

 

[Still Life]

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I realise that for you, it's procedure to resort to accusations of trollery because you wallow in sanctimony. Soon, you'll have an entire pie of apathy because I do charity work.

Bioware messed up, true, but they delivered a complete gaming expirience, while Capcom is just being greedy.

Off on a tangent here:

What's really struck me since ME3 came out is how political one of my favorite hobbies has become. I had been subconsciously aware that the very essence of the industry has, in a manner of speaking, changed (since my childhood). However, recent events have highlighted it and I have to wonder if it's the increasing corporatisation mixed with highly social nature of it all.

 

[Mournblade94]

I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

I'm by no means a fat masturbating loser, and I fucked my girlfriend last night, and this morning before heading to work, and I lived in Afghanistan and Iraq for 8 years while deployed in the while in the army as a ranger, and yes life in a lot of ways sucked ass, but I fail to see the relevance to how customers feel cheated towards an investment(paying money for a product expecting a certain experience is an investment) Yes things are worse elsewhere but if you want to bend over and take it up the ass from these corporate dicks after failing to deliver what they advertised that's your problem. If you don't like the fact that others are complaining about thier investment, then simply ignore it. Bitching about people Bitching is just fucken retarded.

Good job Brother. I am a Navy man myself, but I was stationed with the Airborne and Greenberet at the Army 10th ASG on Torri Station Okinawa. I was a cryptologist, but I was a secondary security for Torri Station. Thanks for your 8!

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Because people really invested in the Mass Effect series, after completing Mass Effect 2 people went back through ME1 and ME2 to see how things changed.

Once they completed ME3 it didn't really seem like there was a point, I could spend 3 games alienating every possible ally and being a complete prick to all other races and the ending won't change in the slightest.

Well, it's not like any of the decisions you made in any of the games changed their respective ending in anyway. It boiled down to 'Save the council/Don't save the council' and 'Keep the Collector base/ Don't keep the collector base.' Nothing else done throughout the games changed those endings(Except for the post ending bit in ME2 were some of your team might be dead, the equivalent of which can easily be added to 3 via DLC, but, ultimately didn't change the ending in any way.), I don't see why people have tantrums because the third game followed suit.

Those weren't actually THE ending, just the end to the first and second games. MAss effect 3 ended the whole story, and nothing you did in the games changed the ending whatsoever, which would be kind of ok if it weren't for the fact that there were several alternative endings, but it all boiled down to pushing a button. Giving the player a button to push after specifically promising your actions would influence the story is just plain dumb.

 

[viranimus]

May I direct you to this blog post which has a wealth of such examples, most of which are far more specific than than a quick skim off the ME3 website?

No, you may not. What your directing me to are NOT advertisements for the game. If what your pointing to is not an advertisement then it cannot support the claim of false advertisement. What your directing me to is interviews and articles that people interpret as promises. What your putting forth is just the public interpretation of promises via forum discussions and interviews filled with a whole lot of speculation, circumstantial evidence and out and out extrapolation. Not actual advertisements as in viable print/video advertisements where the advertisement says in no uncertain terms that this game will have X feature.

Now I will have to quote myself in order to re illustrate exactly how and why info mining from the bioware forums and the Casey interview(or any interview for that matter) are not viable points to call on because again, its people making interpretations, not actual statements of features.

Spoiler: I really have to quote myself?

Yeah, and I'd say much more so, because we HAVE the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don't have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings CAN be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's NOT even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

Bold A: We HAVE the ability .. No where does he say that they WILL use it.

Bold B: The endings CAN be, there is no implication this will be utilized.

Bold C: People skip ahead to the ABC bit and completely ignore the fact where he specifically says the ending will NOT be like traditional endings, He basically is saying Yes there is only going to be one ending ... because.... "This story arc is coming to an end with this game"

... the only thing this proves is people cant even comprehend what they read.

... see if it was implied in a different way then what they assume the meaning of what was said. This is why I personally want a press release or an advertisement for what "promises" were made because I have yet to see those promises were made outside of the ones that people have assumed.

... No one could hear him over all the imaginary scenarios they were busy dreaming up over their own misinterpretations.

Ive still yet to see anything presented that is an "advertisement" that has not been disproven already (IE: the line about outcomes on the ME3 advertisement page) or that is not related to interviews or bioware forum posts that are based extensively in public misinterpretation/speculation. When that gem is presented I will back off on this, but even after dozens of quotes to prove me wrong and a month later its still not yet surfaced.

 

[Mournblade94]

"I don't want to hear about this stuff anymore, but I can't be bothered to not click on the links"

Talk about entitled.

Entitled is the most misused words by the game industry, game journalists, and anyone else that likes something another customer does not like.

Here is real entitlement. A person that does not work and Expects a check.
A student who does minimal work and expects an A.

A consumer that Pays for a product, and is disappointed is not feeling entitled. They are disappointed.

If I as a consumer, refuse to buy another Bioware game because I am expecting it to have a shoddy ending like their last two games, I am not acting ENTITLED. I am acting as a consumer.

If I DEMAND that bioware change the quality of their endings for the better or I will not buy their product, I am indicating that since I cannot expect better writing from the company I can take my business elsewhere. That is in no way entitlement.

I do not have any sort of right to the ending I want if Bioware chooses to show off their artistic integrity (which is good visually but their writers at least for Mass Effect 3 and DA2 suck). With that, they have no right to the money of consumers they do not please.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

Okay now you're just being a condescending prick. And you know I really, really fucking hate that argument. "some person somewhere has it worse so you're not allowed to be sad". Well as a believer in the multiverse theory I can tell you that there are an infinite amount of universes with a practically infinite amount of people suffering eternal torture. Someone raping and tortuting you to death? Well at least youre suffering will end pretty soon, think about all those other people. (note, that even if you don't believe in the multiverse theory the shear size of the universe pretty much guarantees a similar scenario somewhere else)

People were seriously emotionally invested in this series and had waited years for the ending, and they discover that (in their opinion) the ending was really fucking terrible. I don't support acting entitled but people are allowed to be bummed out for whatever the hell they want, and acting like you're better than them for not caring makes you look like a douchebag.

 

[Mournblade94]

You mean kind of like how in your life the sole outcome is that you will be dead no matter what choices you've made in life? And yet your existence will be defined by the state of your life as it was when it ended and not just the fact that no matter what you do you don't even GET to choose your ending. Gee, sounds like everyone's life is exactly the same since we only get ONE ending ourselves: dead.

The only way this could have been a better straw man argument is if you gathered some hay, tied it into the shape of a man, and beat upon it.

How is this even relevant?

Video games are escapist entertainment.