Or more likely the poster does not properly understand the differences in the two cases.Darkmantle said:
BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3
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Very seldom will I agree with such organization. But she is absolutely right. I'm not on the bandwagon of haters for this thing. But that is what bothered me from the beginning on it. The ending is not really affected by what you do in the game, which is the opposite understanding of what Bioware has wrought in both it's advertisements and previous Mass Effect play experiences. This also lends itself to the idea that Bioware changes things in their games that people arguably like. As in the case with Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2. They almost completely changed the game. The same can be said to the streamlining of inventory from ME1 to ME2, something I'm not upset about, but many of my friends really hated. To the point they never even bought ME3 because the inventory system was not returned... which I think is kinda crazy.
There is certainly room for artistic license to be taken in the event of all of these things. But people do have to realize that Bioware's main concentration is making things that players want, their main prerogative is to make as much money as they can by making games that at least somewhat cater to what gamers want. Clearly, they haven't had a problem in that area, but is it really right to ignore the wants of the people who have been there since the beginning?
Edit: The ending also explains how they had a play mode where there were no dialog options and conversations happened cinematically. It's because the choices you made didn't matter in the end, which is a bit of a shame. Since that is the main thing that draws people into Bioware games, the story and player role in the story.
There is certainly room for artistic license to be taken in the event of all of these things. But people do have to realize that Bioware's main concentration is making things that players want, their main prerogative is to make as much money as they can by making games that at least somewhat cater to what gamers want. Clearly, they haven't had a problem in that area, but is it really right to ignore the wants of the people who have been there since the beginning?
Edit: The ending also explains how they had a play mode where there were no dialog options and conversations happened cinematically. It's because the choices you made didn't matter in the end, which is a bit of a shame. Since that is the main thing that draws people into Bioware games, the story and player role in the story.
What the hell? I can't complain that about an ending because somewhere in a world a dictator is killing innocent people? I can't express my frustration on an issue because a child somewhere in the world is starving?Batsamaritan said:
Why are you sitting on your computer like some whiny little cretin? You should be out there fixing all of the worlds problems RIGHT NOW. You should stop carrying on this inconsequential lifestyle of whining about RME and find some worthwhile things to whine about!
Is it only 60K. I never signed a petition. I still won't. ME1 and ME2 I played three times. I only played ME3 once. I don't care about it anymore.back pain said:
People I know who also no longer care for mass effect due to the ending never signed a petition.
The people that do not sign are not representative of a positive.
Wizards of the Coast is currently changing D&D editions. Largely because of the business they lost due to making a product a large portion of the game community did not like. Customers have the power to change things.
Bioware employed A+ artists, and A+ writers for mass effect 1 & 2. They still had A+ artists but thier writing fell to a C for ME3.
They exaggerated the weight of your decisions in those games. I don't think it intentional, I think the ME3 writers dropped the ball.
I am disappointed in the ME3 ending. However you will also then be happy to know that I work to educate people about the development crisis of people in impoverished nations.Grey Day for Elcia said:Oh for fu...
People, for the love of god, get over it.
People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.
I am probably more informed on that than most. I am glad to live in a developed nation where I can be upset at a video game ending.
I wasn't disapointed by the ME3 ending to be honest. Its effect has been exactly what I've always hoped for. Absolute rage against mediocrity, laziness, and EA. I also didn't buy the game. I haven't and won't buy anything EA releases. There are better games and companies out there. You just have to go looking for them.
After completing ME3 twice with two very different game saves (one paragon engineer, one renegade femshep infiltrator), I can say without a doubt that there was NO FALSE ADVERTISING AND MY CHOICES MADE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE GAME. So, as the article clearly states, this BBB lady didn't actually play the game and is simply basing her statement off the repeated whines of idiot neckbeards who weren't paying attention to the 30+ hour game until the very end. (Y'know, the 3 choice cliffhanger setting up ME4 that everyone missed the point of)
Wait, wait, wait, wait. You were capable of doing all that and venting on a forum AT THE SAME TIME!? We have been waiting over 2000 years for your return messiah.Batsamaritan said:
You're totally right though. Your average guy who goes to work, gives to charity, helps his community, and in his spare time takes part in RME because he believes in what they are trying to achieve is so pathetic. He should get his priorities straight and stop fucking up his life.
Now I don't want you replying to me till you have fixed Zimbabwe's economy and brought Assad to justice.
That's all well and good, but you know all BioWare has to do?
Claim puffery, and just like any thing that over-promises they win. Best coffee in the world? Puffery, Best game ever! Puffery. Oodles and oodles of choices! Back of the freaking game box puffery.
Give it up already. I'm pissed; your pissed, but this isn't special.
Claim puffery, and just like any thing that over-promises they win. Best coffee in the world? Puffery, Best game ever! Puffery. Oodles and oodles of choices! Back of the freaking game box puffery.
Give it up already. I'm pissed; your pissed, but this isn't special.
Comments made in interviews and even full blown advertising campaigns should never be construed as promises. Why do any of us still do that? Haven't we had our expectations let down enough to realize we shouldn't believe what we're told until we get the game in our hands?
Guess not. Nerds gonna Rage, I spose.
Guess not. Nerds gonna Rage, I spose.
complain about things that matterBatsamaritan said:
like complaing about people complaing...thats real productive
(hint: your not changing any minds, just adding to the "problem")
Im going to go ahead and complain as loudly as I want abut ME3's ending..because I can
No, you ARE allowed to complain about a game ending. Hell, people have been doing it for generations! You go onto a blog, forum, or video game news industry website and you write your review, people either agree or disagree and you move on with your life. What it's NOT is trying to drive a company into the ground with you incessant whining and self entitlement (Yes I use this term a lot, but frankly it's really the best way to sum up this whole ridiculous thing) and going as far as getting the BBB involved. Even IF you hated the ending, the company does not and should not pander to the low lives who are yelling that they "Owe" them. Hell, if I tried to sue every game company for making a product I hated...Man, I'd be RICH! But you know WHY people don't "Normally" do this? Because it's ridiculous, that's why!Lethos said:
I SENSE THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACKLethos said:
You know what? I had this large argument lined up to try and convince you the error of your arguments, but then I figured, if we are on the 11th page of the billionth ME3 ending thread and you still maintain your position of us all being whiny, self-entitled children, then no amount of arguing I do is going to convince you otherwise. You're arguments have been used before by other posters and then largely discredited by a swarm of more posters.Mattlore said:
Errr, that was kinda the point of the post? I was pointing out how ridiculous his argument was by satirizing his own post...Mattlore said:I SENSE THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK
I couldn't care less about the people living in absolute shit--it aint my problem. But one would think the ending to a god damn video game wouldn't be this much of a fucking issue with a little perspective. Christ, people... It's a game. Grow up. It's beyond disliking something and asking for a change; it's now a pathetic tantrum. You know when a little kid doesn't get the toy they want at a store and they roll around on the ground crying, making a big ol' scene and crying their little eyes out over a video ga- I mean, toy? Yeah...SpiderJerusalem said:
Other than the fact you misuse the word entitlement, tell me WHY I can't cause problems for a company. Elaborate please. The fact that you do not want me to is not a valid reason.Mattlore said:
I have a consumer relationship with bioware. What you want me to do is inconsequential to the case at hand.
The only way you could have missed the point more completely is if I gathered it up, trained it to be an astronaut, and sent it into space.Mournblade94 said:
As I explained to someone else a couple of posts down from where you pulled this one, I'm not trying to say GAMES SHOULD EQUAL LIFE. I'm making a comparison. I added a little just to clarify.
Everyone who complains that "our choices didn't matter because we only have three endings and our story ends in one of three states regardless" must be very goth, because, by their logic, the decisions we make in our lives won't matter cause we'll end up dead regardless, so why bother?
And one more time just so we're clear:
I'm not saying "games should be the same as life". I'm pointing out the flawed reasoning that people's decisions in the game didn't matter because there were only three endings. A story is not defined by the last two pages, just as our lives are not defined by how we die, because even though the galaxy ends up in one of three ways, the state of that galaxy was determined by the player's decisions.
And if people put this much effort into solving real issues the world would be a better place.Caramel Frappe said: