BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

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Eric the Orange said:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.
I just want to comment that I appreciate the article and find it interesting. The mass effect 3 issues are important to me and I welcome continued discussion over sweeping it under the rug.

Again, thank you for the post, I probably would not have found out about this otherwise.
 

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GamesB2 said:
AnarchistAbe said:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.


We don't want happy[i/] endings per se, we want meaningful endings that make sense and are affected by choice.


I would like a happy ending. I spent 3 games working for my happy ending. What I have now is galaxy wide death and destruction at the hands of exploding mass relays.

Beyond that, the ending suddenly forces shepard to think like a reaper. All they talk about are cycles and millenia of civilizations. Shepard cares about saving the people of his cycle. The final problem should not be solving the reapers issue for them. The player does not care about breaking the cycle. We just want to kill the reapers, take back the earth and then grab a drink/blue babies/house of rannoch. We also want it to make sense.

Less space magic and star kid. More Narrative Coherence
 

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SweetLiquidSnake said:
Eric the Orange said:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.
AnarchistAbe said:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.
The Artificially Prolonged said:
Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.
Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.
your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.
 

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Kelethor said:
Hey, someone in a position of power who DOESN'T think we are a bunch of whiny entitled douche bags! alright!
If you'll notice, forbs, the BBB, and a few other business related sites and some of the new sites tend to get it right, about peoples complaints about ME3's ending, and nearly everyone INSIDE the gameing world gets it wrong. Why?

My theroy is the people in the gaming press are inscure, and want more validation for there work. To do that, the bang on the "games are art too" drumb. To do that, they have to defend Bioware and there "Art". The only way to DO that, in light of the fact bioware, as evident by, well, most people not directly related to gaming media seems to agree, didn't deliver on there adveristment, and screw over there coustomers.

When the facts are against you, you couse an alternive attack path. Pick out a few of the whinnest posts / drama you can find and rage about "entitelment" in the fan base. It's the only argument they have a shot at winning, so long as the ignore the rest.
 

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GamesB2 said:
AnarchistAbe said:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.
We don't want happy endings per se, we want meaningful endings that make sense and are affected by choice.
Personally, I don't even care about the choice aspect. Just give me an ending that MAKES SENSE. The bioware people can end the story however they want. But this isn't the end to the story. This is from a completely different story. Coherence is all I ask. Please?
 

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Darkmantle said:
wooty said:
I still cant see what all the kicking and screaming was about. Its was a bad ending, not a serial killer murdering your family while dancing around in your mothers blood drinking his own piss and fucking your favourite pair of shoes while inserting cheese toasties into your computers disk drive with a philips head screwdriver............which was stolen.

Rant over, back to reality.
this was most definitely a case of "straw that broke the camels back" looking at this as a singular incident, it may seem like non-sense, but when you check out bioware/EA 's track record lately (DA2), and all the other controversies that ME3 sparked (prothean DLC, tali stock photo) the ending being shit is what set off the powder keg.

basically EA kept playing with fire by abusing their fans, now they are getting burned for every past grievance, using the ME3 ending as a focal point.
What I'm on about is that I've seen nothing in Mass Effect 3, or even Dragon Age 2, to require this sheer amount of fuss and blind rage. It was a disappointing ending, which is getting rectified, but still the torrent continues. I could understand the irritation if the whole game was a train wreck, but it was a pretty stellar experience overall.
 

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SweetLiquidSnake said:
Eric the Orange said:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.
AnarchistAbe said:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.
The Artificially Prolonged said:
Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.
Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.
Sorry I like many ran for the shelters once the whole Mass Effect 3 ending thing unleashed the raging beasts. I have only now felt it safe to venture out once more. I can get that the fans are disappointed that the ending was not up to scratch and they have a right to complain. However the shear amount of butthurt fans constantly complaining has worn down much of my sympathy to even the more well made arguments against the ending.
 

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I found myself slightly distracted by the picture. I kept looking at Kaidan saying "YOU DIED!" Over and over.
 

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Darkmantle said:
SweetLiquidSnake said:
Eric the Orange said:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.
AnarchistAbe said:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.
The Artificially Prolonged said:
Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.
Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.
your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.
People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?
 

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TheBelgianGuy said:
Darkmantle said:
SweetLiquidSnake said:
Eric the Orange said:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.
AnarchistAbe said:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.
The Artificially Prolonged said:
Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.
Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.
your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.
People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?
Sample size bro.

statistics, you take it?
 

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VMK said:
You played the game, you enjoyed it until the very end, which they will fix.
So stop it. Just stop it. This is literally crazy. It is as if litlle spoiled kid got a fresh, home-made chocolate cookle from his/her grandma, and saw a bit of raw dough on the side:
-UWWAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!! This cookie is bad!!!!
-Honey, please calm down, grandma will fix it.
-No!You messed it up! I hate you!- screamed the child, while eating one cookie after another, for they were delicious, every single one of them. Exept for the one with the dough.

P.S. Quoting I don't remember who, but probably MovieBob: "You want Bioware to make with ME the same thing you hate George Lucas for doing with Star Wars."
Except that cookie dough is delicious, and would make a neat twist on something you'd come to expect from a fully baked cookie. Now if that half of the cookie was burnt to a crisp, then there would be a problem. ME3 ending was the burnt half of the cookie, not doughy.
 

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wooty said:
Darkmantle said:
wooty said:
I still cant see what all the kicking and screaming was about. Its was a bad ending, not a serial killer murdering your family while dancing around in your mothers blood drinking his own piss and fucking your favourite pair of shoes while inserting cheese toasties into your computers disk drive with a philips head screwdriver............which was stolen.

Rant over, back to reality.
this was most definitely a case of "straw that broke the camels back" looking at this as a singular incident, it may seem like non-sense, but when you check out bioware/EA 's track record lately (DA2), and all the other controversies that ME3 sparked (prothean DLC, tali stock photo) the ending being shit is what set off the powder keg.

basically EA kept playing with fire by abusing their fans, now they are getting burned for every past grievance, using the ME3 ending as a focal point.
What I'm on about is that I've seen nothing in Mass Effect 3, or even Dragon Age 2, to require this sheer amount of fuss and blind rage. It was a disappointing ending, which is getting rectified, but still the torrent continues. I could understand the irritation if the whole game was a train wreck, but it was a pretty stellar experience overall.
You must also remember that EA is the same company that closed down many fan favourite studios, and started project 10 dollar, and did the whole "your mom hates this game" and "sin to win" ad campaigns. There's just a lot of bad blood between gamers and EA. It's sad that it manifested here, but it was a long time coming.
 

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Darkmantle said:
TheBelgianGuy said:
Darkmantle said:
SweetLiquidSnake said:
Eric the Orange said:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.
AnarchistAbe said:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.
The Artificially Prolonged said:
Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.
Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.
your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.
People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?
Sample size bro.

statistics, you take it?
How exactly is your incoherent blabbering relevant? Or are facts wrong when they do not match your opinion? Because in the post you quoted, you were very good at making up your own statistics.
 

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viranimus said:
The ending is not specifically the "outcome". Many of the outcomes were decided well before the last 10 minutes of the game as in which civilzations survived and which didnt. The "outcome" extends far beyond the final cut scenes.
I agree with this, but it is a self-undoing argument. Shpoilers

At the end of the day, regardless of what you did in any of the games, the Reapers are no more, everyone is utterly stranded in their home system to perish. That is a constant. Maybe the little details are different (destroy ending: same as above, but now you have to clean up Reaper mess) synthesis: everyone glows, I guess. Control: as above.
 

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AnarchistAbe said:
dogstile said:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.
Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?
Ha ha, no kidding. If this was the reaction every time the industry failed to deliver on it's promises Peter Molyneux would've been driven out of the industry YEARS ago. ...with torches and pitchforks.
 

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JokerboyJordan said:
Well, in a sea of opinions, at least one person has gave an unbiased, legal opinion.
Not that'll mean much to all those that say that everyone who complains is an entitled whiny cry baby ******, who says "THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!"

I don't own ME3, so don't judge me. Just an opinion after all.
What? You speak out against our lord EA?! BURN HEATHEN!

We will light our torches with $100 bills and... oh did we mention the torches are made of money? And the fire too. Whats that? Economic difficulties?! Ahahahaha!

OT: Yeah, somehow I dont think the pro-"any ending will do" group will listen.
 

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AnarchistAbe said:
This is one of those, "You won the battle, not the war" moments for gamers. Just wait. Call me a troll, write me off, whatever you want to do. But, just wait and see what publishers respond with.
What you - and, by extension, those critics who've shrieked to high heavens about the terrible potential consequences of this backlash - fail to understand is the following:

1. This whole situation is very much the outcome of specific factors that all came together in a very unique way: it was the ending of a game that concluded an incredibly popular trilogy, it was a subpar ending in comparison to the rest of the game (if the entirely of ME3 had been poorly written, there would still be negativity, sure, but the outrage here is coming from the last-minute swerve, not the game itself), it was an RPG (and yes, genre matters here, because that affects how you perceive the game world and the narrative) and, perhaps most importantly, there is a clear and overwhelming consensus among people who played the game that the ending was problematic. The extent of that is (and has been) debated, but this is still a scenario where the vast majority of players are saying the same thing - I'm sure I don't have to tell you what a rarity that is in this particular medium.

1a. I'm also of the opinion that many ME3 players may have been fans of "Lost" and "Battlestar Galactica" and this was simply the very last straw. :)

2. BioWare's decision to release a revised/expanded/whatever ending doesn't constitute a precedent - that would be the "Broken Steel" DLC for "Fallout 3", which - while primarily designed to extend gameplay rather than story - had the end result of fixing problematic aspects of that game's conclusion. The precedent existed, and it doesn't seem to have affected, say, "Skyrim" in the least.

3. By the same token, BioWare's decision to address the problematic nature of ME3's conclusion does not and will not compel other game companies to follow in their footsteps. Blizzard won't summarily have Sarah Kerrigan marry Jim Raynor because the fans demand it.

3a. However, if a lesson is to be learned here by other game companies - and, indeed, by BioWare itself - it might be this: if you make the supreme effort to craft a well-written and well-designed game, and you win the hearts and loyalties and wallets of many fans, it might be a good idea to avoid getting lazy or sloppy in the last act just because you think you can coast and get away with it. Have the professional courtesy to maintain the standards you have set until the game's final moments. Do you realize that all of this could have been avoided, that ME3 could have been considered an excellent game without quantification of that statement, if the writers had put the slightest bit more effort into those last ten minutes?

Consider all these factors, and how likely they are to recur in such a way that so many people respond in the same way, before blaming whiny, entitled gamers for whatever apocalyptic scenario you're imagining.