How exactly is your incoherent blabbering relevant? Or are facts wrong when they do not match your opinion? Because in the post you quoted, you were very good at making up your own statistics.Darkmantle said:
BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3
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I agree with this, but it is a self-undoing argument. Shpoilersviranimus said:
At the end of the day, regardless of what you did in any of the games, the Reapers are no more, everyone is utterly stranded in their home system to perish. That is a constant. Maybe the little details are different (destroy ending: same as above, but now you have to clean up Reaper mess) synthesis: everyone glows, I guess. Control: as above.
This BS is massly effecting my annoyance levels. Drop it already and move on, it's just a game!
Ha ha, no kidding. If this was the reaction every time the industry failed to deliver on it's promises Peter Molyneux would've been driven out of the industry YEARS ago. ...with torches and pitchforks.AnarchistAbe said:
What? You speak out against our lord EA?! BURN HEATHEN!JokerboyJordan said:
We will light our torches with $100 bills and... oh did we mention the torches are made of money? And the fire too. Whats that? Economic difficulties?! Ahahahaha!
OT: Yeah, somehow I dont think the pro-"any ending will do" group will listen.
What you - and, by extension, those critics who've shrieked to high heavens about the terrible potential consequences of this backlash - fail to understand is the following:AnarchistAbe said:
1. This whole situation is very much the outcome of specific factors that all came together in a very unique way: it was the ending of a game that concluded an incredibly popular trilogy, it was a subpar ending in comparison to the rest of the game (if the entirely of ME3 had been poorly written, there would still be negativity, sure, but the outrage here is coming from the last-minute swerve, not the game itself), it was an RPG (and yes, genre matters here, because that affects how you perceive the game world and the narrative) and, perhaps most importantly, there is a clear and overwhelming consensus among people who played the game that the ending was problematic. The extent of that is (and has been) debated, but this is still a scenario where the vast majority of players are saying the same thing - I'm sure I don't have to tell you what a rarity that is in this particular medium.
1a. I'm also of the opinion that many ME3 players may have been fans of "Lost" and "Battlestar Galactica" and this was simply the very last straw.
2. BioWare's decision to release a revised/expanded/whatever ending doesn't constitute a precedent - that would be the "Broken Steel" DLC for "Fallout 3", which - while primarily designed to extend gameplay rather than story - had the end result of fixing problematic aspects of that game's conclusion. The precedent existed, and it doesn't seem to have affected, say, "Skyrim" in the least.
3. By the same token, BioWare's decision to address the problematic nature of ME3's conclusion does not and will not compel other game companies to follow in their footsteps. Blizzard won't summarily have Sarah Kerrigan marry Jim Raynor because the fans demand it.
3a. However, if a lesson is to be learned here by other game companies - and, indeed, by BioWare itself - it might be this: if you make the supreme effort to craft a well-written and well-designed game, and you win the hearts and loyalties and wallets of many fans, it might be a good idea to avoid getting lazy or sloppy in the last act just because you think you can coast and get away with it. Have the professional courtesy to maintain the standards you have set until the game's final moments. Do you realize that all of this could have been avoided, that ME3 could have been considered an excellent game without quantification of that statement, if the writers had put the slightest bit more effort into those last ten minutes?
Consider all these factors, and how likely they are to recur in such a way that so many people respond in the same way, before blaming whiny, entitled gamers for whatever apocalyptic scenario you're imagining.
How stupid.AnarchistAbe said:
If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.
Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .
If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.
Oh yes. As a journalist myself, I am routinely horrified at the liberties they take with news items and the degree of personal speculation, conjecture, and opinion they sprinkle them with.Mournblade94 said:
My incoherent blathering? that seems incredible hypocritical of you. You, in your own admission, started up a thread in which a large majority of posters were not on your side. You were clearly in the minority, as I had stated. But since you refuse to believe that, you pull up numbers any reasonable person knows do not support your false belief.TheBelgianGuy said:
It is factually wrong to count the 3.440.000 people who did not sign the petition as "on your side", for all you know, 3 million of them were have been soooooooo disgusted that they never wanted to look at anything EA again and thus never went to the forums, or maybe they all pissed on their copies and never played the game. Maybe a good chunk of them used the disk as a frisbee. You cannot say that just because they didn't sign the one petition you are taking your numbers from, that those people like or are satisfied with the ending.
Hell, under you ideals, petitions would never have any effect in anything. The government could literally just say "well I know that one million people signed this, but 34 million didn't so obviously the majority are against it". It's a false argument and you know it.
Are you saying that games endings and stories now are just fine? I agree that "retake Mass Effect" is a bit of a pretentious name, with it never being ours in the first place. But how can you say a demand for coherent interesting story from game developers is going to blow up in our face and give us even LESS ambitious story telling?AnarchistAbe said:
Also the only people I've heard that want only a happy ending are the people using it as a example to call retake Mass Effect a bunch of whiners.
Hellz to the yeahdogstile said:
About time something brought this disgusting trend to a screeching halt.
Why is it that advertising for virtually any product is relatively rigorously expected to meet certain standards, while games are seemingly exempt and producers/developers are free to promise games that will cure cancer and fellate you on a nightly basis?
Sod that.
So I take it you love the taste of sand, or is it you like how muffled the outside world sounds from down there?animehermit said:
P.S. I'm not saying that I somehow expect to know why every single player was mad at the ending. What I'm saying is that the actual problem with the ending was that it constituted flawed and misleading advertising.
Now, if you want to sweep the problem off the table because of some vague disingenuous assumption that the massive consumer backlash was simply entitled nerdrage fanhate, then congrats to you: Achievement Unlocked: Missed the Point by a Mile.
But if you're willing to recognise that the problem is in fact, independent from a portion of consumers who might or might not have been angry because they would have preferred a more positive ending (or whatever the case may be), then we might actually start getting somewhere.
Holy shit can we just drop this already? This sort of fan-boy flareup happens every god damn time something slightly controversial happens. People get all pissy, others start trolling them for it, and the whole thing devolves into one giant kindergarten play fight. It ends as soon as it begins, and it makes the entire industry look like crap. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better.
Oh. Well, crap. Here I thought that this was going to be an article about how the FTC complaint was being taken to court or something.Andy Chalk said:
...look, I know how important it is to get readers for any news outlet, but this is an an article about how someone in the Better Business Bureau in Northern Indiana said, on a blog, that ME3's ending was technically false advertising. And yet its title proclaims, 'Bioware "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3.'
I can't remember the last time I saw a headline that used quotation marks so deceitfully.
'Tis why I added the Per Se.Dendio said:
I too would like a happy ending, if you do everything you can, mass the biggest army, have the largest group of loyal allies right by your side then why shouldn't we be able to take down the Reapers without a bittersweet ending?
I'm not saying it should be easy to attain and it doesn't even need to be there, but it would be nice.
At first I was kind of with the people complaining to bioware but once I was past the initial shock the whole thing started looking rather silly. It reminds me of a song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxfpbyV-uc&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxfpbyV-uc&
Well, it's not like any of the decisions you made in any of the games changed their respective ending in anyway. It boiled down to 'Save the council/Don't save the council' and 'Keep the Collector base/ Don't keep the collector base.' Nothing else done throughout the games changed those endings(Except for the post ending bit in ME2 were some of your team might be dead, the equivalent of which can easily be added to 3 via DLC, but, ultimately didn't change the ending in any way.), I don't see why people have tantrums because the third game followed suit.GamesB2 said:
This is stupid. This is moronic. I never want to hear the words "Mass Effect" again. All interest I had in the games has evaporated after this whole mess, even after all the ME-tards spoiling everything every chance they got didn't make me give up.
You are consumers. Sometimes you're dissatisfied. Sometimes you expect Jesus Christ to come down and personally hand you a game that will blow your mind, and you whine and cry when you get an above-average but overall unfinished and slapdash experience of an ending. Do you know what they could have done? They could have had Shepard press a button that would have a big effect one way or another and a white light and then cut to credits. They could have had it all be a dream, for fuck sakes. Would you have whined and cried any more than you have now?
You are consumers. Sometimes you're dissatisfied. Sometimes you expect Jesus Christ to come down and personally hand you a game that will blow your mind, and you whine and cry when you get an above-average but overall unfinished and slapdash experience of an ending. Do you know what they could have done? They could have had Shepard press a button that would have a big effect one way or another and a white light and then cut to credits. They could have had it all be a dream, for fuck sakes. Would you have whined and cried any more than you have now?