BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

[Shinigami214]

Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

How stupid.

If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.

Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .

If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.

 

[Shinigami214]

On this site, most of the game journalists write opinion pieces. Most of them do not know how to compose an unbiased piece.

Oh yes. As a journalist myself, I am routinely horrified at the liberties they take with news items and the degree of personal speculation, conjecture, and opinion they sprinkle them with.

 

[Darkmantle]

I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.

This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.

Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.

Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.

your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.

People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?

Sample size bro.

statistics, you take it?

How exactly is your incoherent blabbering relevant? Or are facts wrong when they do not match your opinion? Because in the post you quoted, you were very good at making up your own statistics.

My incoherent blathering? that seems incredible hypocritical of you. You, in your own admission, started up a thread in which a large majority of posters were not on your side. You were clearly in the minority, as I had stated. But since you refuse to believe that, you pull up numbers any reasonable person knows do not support your false belief.

It is factually wrong to count the 3.440.000 people who did not sign the petition as "on your side", for all you know, 3 million of them were have been soooooooo disgusted that they never wanted to look at anything EA again and thus never went to the forums, or maybe they all pissed on their copies and never played the game. Maybe a good chunk of them used the disk as a frisbee. You cannot say that just because they didn't sign the one petition you are taking your numbers from, that those people like or are satisfied with the ending.

Hell, under you ideals, petitions would never have any effect in anything. The government could literally just say "well I know that one million people signed this, but 34 million didn't so obviously the majority are against it". It's a false argument and you know it.

 

[Scorpid]

Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

Are you saying that games endings and stories now are just fine? I agree that "retake Mass Effect" is a bit of a pretentious name, with it never being ours in the first place. But how can you say a demand for coherent interesting story from game developers is going to blow up in our face and give us even LESS ambitious story telling?

Also the only people I've heard that want only a happy ending are the people using it as a example to call retake Mass Effect a bunch of whiners.

 

[Shinigami214]

No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Of course they deserved this. As do the developers of any game that hasn't lived up to what they've promised. If you sell a product advertising it has a feature and you take it out without removing the advertisement, you deserve to get sued.

I don't know why Bioware has been singled out, but it doesn't matter, more companies should learn. Just because they've always done it doesn't mean its ok.

Hellz to the yeah

About time something brought this disgusting trend to a screeching halt.

Why is it that advertising for virtually any product is relatively rigorously expected to meet certain standards, while games are seemingly exempt and producers/developers are free to promise games that will cure cancer and fellate you on a nightly basis?

Sod that.

 

[Shinigami214]

Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

How stupid.

If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.

Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .

If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.

Gonna call BS on this one. You mean to tell me that people aren't made just because they didn't like the ending? Complete BS.

So I take it you love the taste of sand, or is it you like how muffled the outside world sounds from down there?

P.S. I'm not saying that I somehow expect to know why every single player was mad at the ending. What I'm saying is that the actual problem with the ending was that it constituted flawed and misleading advertising.

Now, if you want to sweep the problem off the table because of some vague disingenuous assumption that the massive consumer backlash was simply entitled nerdrage fanhate, then congrats to you: Achievement Unlocked: Missed the Point by a Mile.

But if you're willing to recognise that the problem is in fact, independent from a portion of consumers who might or might not have been angry because they would have preferred a more positive ending (or whatever the case may be), then we might actually start getting somewhere.

 

[Callate]

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[crystalsnow]

Holy shit can we just drop this already? This sort of fan-boy flareup happens every god damn time something slightly controversial happens. People get all pissy, others start trolling them for it, and the whole thing devolves into one giant kindergarten play fight. It ends as soon as it begins, and it makes the entire industry look like crap. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Stephens' proclamation carries no legal weight but it'll probably make a lot of aggrieved fans feel a little better about the whole thing, or at least give them some sense of validation.

Oh. Well, crap. Here I thought that this was going to be an article about how the FTC complaint was being taken to court or something.

...look, I know how important it is to get readers for any news outlet, but this is an an article about how someone in the Better Business Bureau in Northern Indiana said, on a blog, that ME3's ending was technically false advertising. And yet its title proclaims, 'Bioware "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3.'

I can't remember the last time I saw a headline that used quotation marks so deceitfully.

 

[the_pleasure_is_mine]

I would like a happy ending. I spent 3 games working for my happy ending. What I have now is galaxy wide death and destruction at the hands of exploding mass relays.

Beyond that, the ending suddenly forces shepard to think like a reaper. All they talk about are cycles and millenia of civilizations. Shepard cares about saving the people of his cycle. The final problem should not be solving the reapers issue for them. The player does not care about breaking the cycle. We just want to kill the reapers, take back the earth and then grab a drink/blue babies/house of rannoch. We also want it to make sense.

Less space magic and star kid. More Narrative Coherence

'Tis why I added the Per Se.

I too would like a happy ending, if you do everything you can, mass the biggest army, have the largest group of loyal allies right by your side then why shouldn't we be able to take down the Reapers without a bittersweet ending?

I'm not saying it should be easy to attain and it doesn't even need to be there, but it would be nice.

 

[Shinigami214]

Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

How stupid.

If anything, this means that game developers won't promise products that they won't be able to deliver.

Don't you get it? The problem wasn't that players didn't like the ending, but that the product didn't meet the expectations and hype establish by Bioware/EA .

If you still want to keep on ignoring reality with your head stuck in the sand, its your call.

Gonna call BS on this one. You mean to tell me that people aren't made just because they didn't like the ending? Complete BS.

So I take it you love the taste of sand, or is it you like how muffled the outside world sounds from down there?

I'd rather stick my head in the sand than listen to entitled morons

Congrats, looks like you got a head start on us all.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

At first I was kind of with the people complaining to bioware but once I was past the initial shock the whole thing started looking rather silly. It reminds me of a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxfpbyV-uc&

 

[Caverat]

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Because people really invested in the Mass Effect series, after completing Mass Effect 2 people went back through ME1 and ME2 to see how things changed.

Once they completed ME3 it didn't really seem like there was a point, I could spend 3 games alienating every possible ally and being a complete prick to all other races and the ending won't change in the slightest.

Well, it's not like any of the decisions you made in any of the games changed their respective ending in anyway. It boiled down to 'Save the council/Don't save the council' and 'Keep the Collector base/ Don't keep the collector base.' Nothing else done throughout the games changed those endings(Except for the post ending bit in ME2 were some of your team might be dead, the equivalent of which can easily be added to 3 via DLC, but, ultimately didn't change the ending in any way.), I don't see why people have tantrums because the third game followed suit.

 

[PrototypeC]

This is stupid. This is moronic. I never want to hear the words "Mass Effect" again. All interest I had in the games has evaporated after this whole mess, even after all the ME-tards spoiling everything every chance they got didn't make me give up.

You are consumers. Sometimes you're dissatisfied. Sometimes you expect Jesus Christ to come down and personally hand you a game that will blow your mind, and you whine and cry when you get an above-average but overall unfinished and slapdash experience of an ending. Do you know what they could have done? They could have had Shepard press a button that would have a big effect one way or another and a white light and then cut to credits. They could have had it all be a dream, for fuck sakes. Would you have whined and cried any more than you have now?

 

[dubious_wolf]

I think this is an excellent example of "know your audience."
I don't think anyone is going to be bringing a class action anytime soon, but it does indicate that EA, and by association BioWare are all disingenuous.

EDITED for clarity.

Also edit:
Considering I gave up on ME2 when they went Gears of War and dropped the inventory system I love so much from KotOR. I was fully prepared for a piece of shit woot!

It's funny the games weren't even that long when you get right down to it. The story is maybe 5 missions for ME1 and then like 6 for ME2? the rest is filler and errands for various characters. I guess if you get really engrossed in logistics, scavenger hunts, and your weekend shopping list, getting absorbed by the side missions is pretty much inevitable.

 

[Darkmantle]

This is stupid. This is moronic. I never want to hear the words "Mass Effect" again. All interest I had in the games has evaporated after this whole mess, even after all the ME-tards spoiling everything every chance they got didn't make me give up.

You are consumers. Sometimes you're dissatisfied. Sometimes you expect Jesus Christ to come down and personally hand you a game that will blow your mind, and you whine and cry when you get an above-average but overall unfinished and slapdash experience of an ending. Do you know what they could have done? They could have had Shepard press a button that would have a big effect one way or another and a white light and then cut to credits. They could have had it all be a dream, for fuck sakes. Would you have whined and cried any more than you have now?

I completely fail to understand the point of your post. Are you asking if, assuming the ending was different but just as shit, we would still complain? Well I would I assume so, I mean, the ending was bad, if we had an equally bad but different one I fail to see how that would change anything

 

[BreakfastMan]

Yeah, she obviously did very little research into this. If she did, she would know that the FTC complaint against Bioware is complete garbage and would be laughed out of court.

Also, Peter Molyneux better watch his words now, less he be hit with FTC complaints... Also, who wants to file FTC complaints against Axed for not giving me all the chicks if I wear their body-spray?

 

[Brad Shepard]

No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

Because they lied? They promised so much, like us not getting a A B C choice ending, and that's what we got, we got promised that our choices mattered, they did not, there going down the road that capcom has been on for years, and this is coming from a Mass Effect fan, if you cant tell by my Screen Name.