BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3
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I'm one of the people, apparently in the minority, that thought the ending worked from a narrative standpoint. I have no problem with people saying otherwise or voicing their displeasure, though I may disagree, but Ms. Stephens saying that there's no room for discussion over whether Bioware advertised falsely, that it's an objective fact that they did, is a load of horse shit.
this assumes any of them actually care/see this to give it any thought, i'm gonna say most, to all of them won'tDead Raen said:
lol, yeah, if you need sceneryMournblade94 said:
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i was really hoping to see the end of this, yay for having to sift through MORE useless ME3 threads that are going to crop up cause of this -.-
SomebodyNowhere said:
Try to understand though: "completely" is a pretty powerful qualifier. To indicate that your choices (not "choice," singular) "completely shape your experience and outcome" sets a very clear expectation for the interaction of choices, experience, and outcomes.Kross said:
If I sell a peanut butter that my label claims is "completely fat free," and it turns out it just has 50% less fat than other brands, I've misled my customers. Now, 50% less fat is a pretty big deal for peanut butter... but that's not what I sold, is it?
The ending centered around one decision, which in no way took into account the choices the player made up to that point. It certainly wasn't "completely shaped." What's more, the game really didn't provide "outcomes" for most of the events that would have been shaped by long-running choices -- yes, your choice to side with the Quarians or Geth could shape the game's outcome, but that outcome is never expressed either way.
This isn't about whether the ending was good, or whether it was executed well. This is simply about whether or not the product lives up to the very clear promises made by its packaging.
Again, it's the difference between that hypothetical peanut butter being "Insanely Low Fat" or being "Completely Fat Free." One is a clear hyperbole, but not explicitly untrue. The other seems innocuous as a statement, and seems within the realm of possibility... but it's an outright lie.
Eric the Orange said:
AnarchistAbe said:
Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.The Artificially Prolonged said:
Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.
This isn't an interview in which a developer overstates their plans for the game. And this isn't one of those crazy, immeasurable hyperbole statements, either (like "It'll leave you breathless!" or something).AnarchistAbe said:
This is a clear, measurable statement about what the product does. That makes it different from hype, which is often misleading but not outright untrue. Most games engage in hype-talk, but they do so carefully, and in exaggerated-but-vague terms. Why? Specifically to avoid this situation.
I just want to comment that I appreciate the article and find it interesting. The mass effect 3 issues are important to me and I welcome continued discussion over sweeping it under the rug.Eric the Orange said:
Again, thank you for the post, I probably would not have found out about this otherwise.
GamesB2 said:AnarchistAbe said:
We don't want happy[i/] endings per se, we want meaningful endings that make sense and are affected by choice.
I would like a happy ending. I spent 3 games working for my happy ending. What I have now is galaxy wide death and destruction at the hands of exploding mass relays.
Beyond that, the ending suddenly forces shepard to think like a reaper. All they talk about are cycles and millenia of civilizations. Shepard cares about saving the people of his cycle. The final problem should not be solving the reapers issue for them. The player does not care about breaking the cycle. We just want to kill the reapers, take back the earth and then grab a drink/blue babies/house of rannoch. We also want it to make sense.
Less space magic and star kid. More Narrative Coherence
your post got flooded because you are in the extreme minority. It should be easy to see that.SweetLiquidSnake said:
If you'll notice, forbs, the BBB, and a few other business related sites and some of the new sites tend to get it right, about peoples complaints about ME3's ending, and nearly everyone INSIDE the gameing world gets it wrong. Why?Kelethor said:
My theroy is the people in the gaming press are inscure, and want more validation for there work. To do that, the bang on the "games are art too" drumb. To do that, they have to defend Bioware and there "Art". The only way to DO that, in light of the fact bioware, as evident by, well, most people not directly related to gaming media seems to agree, didn't deliver on there adveristment, and screw over there coustomers.
When the facts are against you, you couse an alternive attack path. Pick out a few of the whinnest posts / drama you can find and rage about "entitelment" in the fan base. It's the only argument they have a shot at winning, so long as the ignore the rest.
Personally, I don't even care about the choice aspect. Just give me an ending that MAKES SENSE. The bioware people can end the story however they want. But this isn't the end to the story. This is from a completely different story. Coherence is all I ask. Please?GamesB2 said:
What I'm on about is that I've seen nothing in Mass Effect 3, or even Dragon Age 2, to require this sheer amount of fuss and blind rage. It was a disappointing ending, which is getting rectified, but still the torrent continues. I could understand the irritation if the whole game was a train wreck, but it was a pretty stellar experience overall.Darkmantle said:
Sorry I like many ran for the shelters once the whole Mass Effect 3 ending thing unleashed the raging beasts. I have only now felt it safe to venture out once more. I can get that the fans are disappointed that the ending was not up to scratch and they have a right to complain. However the shear amount of butthurt fans constantly complaining has worn down much of my sympathy to even the more well made arguments against the ending.SweetLiquidSnake said:
People in Retake Mass Effect: 60.000?Darkmantle said:
Mass effect 3 sales: over 3.500.000?
Irony?
Except that cookie dough is delicious, and would make a neat twist on something you'd come to expect from a fully baked cookie. Now if that half of the cookie was burnt to a crisp, then there would be a problem. ME3 ending was the burnt half of the cookie, not doughy.VMK said:
You must also remember that EA is the same company that closed down many fan favourite studios, and started project 10 dollar, and did the whole "your mom hates this game" and "sin to win" ad campaigns. There's just a lot of bad blood between gamers and EA. It's sad that it manifested here, but it was a long time coming.wooty said:
