Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban

Vigilantis

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Hope they don't do the same for PS3...don't get me wrong I don't use a swastika as my emblem....I use Captain Americas shield...and quite happy with my "USA" clan tag too...however If I have to kill a Nazi emblem or a ejaculating penis emblem, well it does me no harm. Instead of banning these guys how about yall give us more emblem add-ons...
 

ChupathingyX

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Damn Nazis, they ruined a great looking symbol and why did the SS have to have such good looking uniforms? Anyway it was kinda expected by about asnyone that within a couple of weeks of BO being released there would be some kind of controversy about the emblem system.

Also would creating the Iron Cross get you banned? What about Hammer and Sickle? This could get out of control.

Also this is refrring to XBox Live right, what about PSN???
 

Alon Shechter

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Well, by that logic we should ban stuff used by terrorists, and knives as well since they were used to assassinate a LOT of people over the history.
 

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Rensenhito said:
You know, that's actually the best-thought-out argument against the display of swastikas I think I've ever read. He's kind of right about this, you guys: Xbox Live simply and intrinsically doesn't allow for the depth of communication necessary to dodge the Nazi bullet.
And everyone using the arguments about dick emblems - Dicks didn't kill millions of people.
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No, dicks helped create BILLIONS of people. *Rimshot*.

In seriousness, Let me get this straight; Treyarch and every other World War 2 game in existence is allowed to plaster the swastika everywhere they can, and yet players can't have it as their emblem?

I'm not condoning the act, which is quite clearly showing off, but comeon, be logical. This is censorship for censorships sake.
 

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-Samurai- said:
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Happy Toki Toki said:
-Samurai- said:
DannibalG36 said:
Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?
They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.
you must be an insensative bastard
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The ones in Asia are the exact same thing. The Nazi one was rotated 45 whole degrees. That's where the problem is. Rotated 45 degrees, it's an offensive symbol. But do you think the enforcers of this ban will think about that? No, they won't. It won't matter if you're a neo Nazi or a Finnish Air Force member showing your pride. You're banned, and that's wrong.

The Buddhist swastika is backwards, yes, but the Hindu one is simply a Swastika that isn't rotated.

If they want to do things right, ban the ones at a 45 degree angle, and leave the rest alone. Or better yet, make people read what the thing stands before they rage about something they don't understand.
Well yeah, they should only ban the Nazi one, but alot of people are just saying they shouldn't ban the specific nazi symbol from being used either, because it represents other things, but that specific model doesn't. Apologies if I misunderstood you there, I guess what you said at the end there is what you originally meant.
 

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So what if I were to use imagery like this...

which is related to the kaisers rather then the Nazis, is that going to get me banned? because this looks more awsome then any image Hitler could come up with.
Sneaky bugger, the Imperial German flag is the flag of choice for German neo-Nazis as they can't display any nazi era flags. They wouldn't want the Weimar Repblic flag and the Prussian flag might be too much of a reminder for their pride that they never got back the bits pruned off after WW2 (ie, Prussia)
 

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One, I think Stephen Toulouse is only talking about swastikas because those are considered to have multiple meanings and there is a need to clarify that it violates the terms of use. There is no non-obscene meaning for a penis or animals having sex so there is no need to clarify that those will get you banned.
Two, while there are other equally tragic incidents in human history, the swastika is the only symbol that was used to directly represent the racism. Stalin was a horrible human being, but the hammer and sickle were never their to represent just him and his genocide, but was a symbol of communism and the Soviet Union. Similarly, while Andrew Jackson committed genocide against the Native Americans, the American flag is not representative of Andrew Jackson or his beliefs, it represents the United States. The swastika as a symbol for the Nazi Party is intrinsically connected to anti-semitism and the Holocaust.
Third, while I am entirely supportive of free speech and open discussion, Xbox Live is not the place for discussion. First of all, it is a private system, so your speech rights do not extend there. You do not have to be on Xbox Live, you do not have some natural rights to do whatever you want on Xbox Live. You have to play by Microsoft's rules. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. More importantly though, Xbox Live, as Toulouse points out, is inherently not capable of having historical and political discussion. It is there primarily as a gaming network. You are most likely not going to go there to discuss your opinion on the societal treatment towards the swastika. You are going to use Xbox Live to play slayer. As such, having a swastika as your emblem is not going to inform anyone of anything other than you support something that the swastika means, and like it or not, the most common answer to many in the world is the Nazi Party, who are a racist organization. As a side note, I am willing to bet the vast majority if not the entirety of people who had a swastika in their emblem before this announcement had it not because there is multiple meanings behind it, but because it is a quickly recognized symbol of racism and they were being immature and not really seeking discussion anyway.
 

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ShadowKirby said:
canadamus_prime said:
Couldn't they fight this on the grounds of cultural discrimination?

In any case, we're never going to learn from history if we keep trying to censor it for fear of offending someone. And if we don't learn from history we're doomed to repeat it. I'm sure no one wants to see a repeat of those events of WWII that were so horrible that we have to ban a cultural symbol because of it, do we?
A multiplayer segment of a game where 14 years old scream bullshit is not the place to learn about history and Nazism. Just letting people use this symbol in a game without all the historical meaning attached to it is way more likely to lead them to forget what the symbol means than banning it as a multiplayer emblem because those little shits are too insensible to understand the weight it has.

They don't use the swastika in an effort to reappropriate its use in modern society, they do it because "lol holocost".
Maybe, maybe not. One things for sure, banning the thing is only going to make "those little shits," as you call them, want to use it even more.
As much as it pains me to say it, you can't ban everything that's slightly offensive. There's a few dozen things I'd love to see banned, but at the end of the day I know that doing so wouldn't solve the problem and certainly wouldn't make it go away. It's kinda like brushing it under a rug and trying to forget about it.
 

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I thought the Swastika was a backwards version of the Buddhist symbol. Is that not right?
I believe that one allows any number of arms so you can use a three-armed swastika if you want to refer to Buddhism.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
mad825 said:
really? I would say thee most notorious, I mean how many people were killed due to Alexander and his army? what about Stalin?
Please explain how either of those events downplays the murder of millions.
And please don't try to say "they killed more", because that changes absolutely nothing.
Yeah, I always thought Stalin was at least pretty close to Hitler as far as "evil" goes. He didn't just kill people (and he did kill a lot of people), he erased them from history. If you count the Holocaust as one event, probably, yeah, it's the worst single event. But I think he has a point is all. Have you already gotten a response to this? I know, I'm late to the party anyway... boy I'm sleepy.
 

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To be fair, developers excluding the symbol doesn't mean everyone's still offended by it; it just means they expect everyone to still be offended by it. Preparing for the worst-case scenario, I suppose.

I can see why some people would still find it offensive, but it's simply not something I or the majority of the people I know would be offended by.
It's just a symbol, it has no meaning other than the one you give it. This obviously would vary greatly, but it seems the people in charge have decided it should be connected to genocide.

My point is, I can understand the position given political correctness, but I don't agree with it.
 

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Heehee humor. And yeah, I don't believe the swastika deserves defense, but I do believe that the right to use whatever emblem you want should be defended. But then again I'm sure there's something in the EULA that disallows stuff like that.

If I were to ever make a video game I would put in the EULA that while you are playing my game, any right bestowed upon you by the constitution is null and void, and that you are legally allowing us to steal your identity.

That'll show em.

Also I don't think detrimental means what you think it means.
Sadly, I think I'd be behind with that EULA thing.

And yes, I completely misused detrimental. It means harmful. So I basically said the number one was harmful to our numbering system.
 

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-Samurai- said:
DannibalG36 said:
Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?
They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.
So the Nazi's didn't ruin the Swastika?
Yep, must have been those Hindus...