dragonswarrior said:
*blinks* Uhm... How on earth can you not see this as a problem? I mean, I don't even know where to start. Yea, every character is designed to be aesthetically pleasing. It's just that all the women are designed to be sexually pleasing, while only one of the male characters is designed that way. Like... What? There is such a huge difference there I can't even understand how this is an argument.
You said it's okay because the women are designed for people to be looking at them. I mean... That IS the problem. These women characters are designed to be looked at by men. To appeal to men. Not to women. Not to just people in general. To men. There isn't a single female character in this game that was designed to not be conventionally attractive. Whereas of the male characters, only one seems to be designed to be conventionally attractive, to appeal to women, while all the others can appeal to anyone who likes good character design.
Then in your second paragraph you say this: "More important is getting more variety in female character designs to match up with what is accepted for men." And you say some cool if I think somewhat ignorant stuff about male conventional attractiveness. Which makes me wonder if maybe you just didn't understand my post? Because it almost seems like you agree with me at least in part anyway? *confused*
Also, while I wish we didn't have a male conventional attractiveness archetype, sad thing is I think we do. And the archer character kinda personifies it. Fit but not buff, some nice muscle definition showing, grizzled but still very attractive. That's sort of the "thing" that currently defines the attractive male at this point. At least as I've noticed media portraying it.
I already went through all the female characters before and explained why everyone except Widowmaker and in some respects mercy are NOT designed to be explicitly sexually pleasing. They ARE sexually pleasing, but they don't follow the one true archetype, again except Widowmaker who is 100% sexualised. You could switch tracer's gender and wouldn't have to change her clothes, same with Pharah. Symettra's sexual elements are there because it would be weird for them NOT to be with her backstory and gameplay, Mercy only appears sexual in our eyes because we associate skintight stuff with sexuality, honestly I've been though all this before. Widowmaker it bad territory, but everyone else is pretty good.
And they most certainly weren't designed "to be looked at by men" that specifically. They were designed to be looked at by PEOPLE, not specifically men, not specifically women, PEOPLE. It's pretty silly to think that these characters were designed not to appeal to women at all. The equivalent being saying that none of the male characters are designed to appeal to men because men like women. It's a ridiculous notion, especially since this thread is on an interview where they specifically state that these aren't their intentions.
And what I meant about variety in character designs was that there are a variety of 'standard' body types to chose from when making a male character, practically all seen here, the dwarf(Torb), the ripped(reaper), the Gargantuan(Reinhardt) and the standard(hanzo). For women, these unwritten standards to choose from are more limited. Practically every woman in Overwatch is the same shape, excluding Pharah who has her suit, while the men have a much wider variety of body types.
And what exactly is wrong with me partially agreeing with you? Is that a crime, to have an opinion similar yet in many ways different to another? It just sounds like an odd thing to act confused about.
As for standard for male attractiveness, you could put an argument forward for every character in Overwatch to represent such a model, thus as such a dispute can be had so easily there is no real standard. Most of the time when a 'sexy' man appears he's only sexy to men, in the sense that a man thinks he is what sexy is to a woman. When you actually get men specifically designed to appeal to women, you get Free Iwatobi Swim Club. Hanzo has elements of that, in retrospect, but I certainly wouldn't call him a sexualised man.
