I feel you there man, that is the one thing that is stopping me from buying it.bladester1 said:damn, only if I was good at RTS's
I feel you there man, that is the one thing that is stopping me from buying it.bladester1 said:damn, only if I was good at RTS's
I hope that aggression wouldn't have been directed in my direction, that would've been pointless.Pariahwulfen said:I'm tempted to write a long winded diatribe but this should do the work nicely. http://www.guildnetwork.net/guildnetwork/?q=node/29Kurokami said:To me WH40K, from what I've seen is a combination of traditional Fantasy style and Scifi concepts, only thing I've seen that is really a rip off, far as I know anyway as granted, I honestly didn't pay much head at any point to Warhammer games except Dawn of War, was the space marines. And to me that's like saying armies ripped each other off when they invented 'The Helmet'. As I said I'm not familiar with what the exact rip offs were, so if you're willing to explain them without much 'f u' I'll be happy to stand corrected.
In any case, the trailer is not pointless, it catches some people up on the story but most of all it interests fans by reinventing the parts they've already played through in the previous games in a cinematic format. I personally am a huge fan of Blizzard's RTS because their plots are played in an interesting way, I sure as hell didn't play the campaign in either game for fun. So its about as 'pointless' as advertising in general. (I'll admit I very much hated how generic a construct it took as a trailer, but as I said, having played the previous game's story I very much enjoyed it)
I think of it as Warhammer 40k for people who don't like everything to be over-the-top and macho. If I felt like being condescending I'd call it "Warhammer 40k for adults."Projo said:That's been SC in a nutshell since day one.Odoylerules360 said:So it's gonna be, like, a knock-off of Warhammer 40K?
First of all, if you were even half clued to pay attention, you'd notice that both the ship from 1:41 and the ship from 1:07 are the same (slow it down half frame each).chemicalreaper said:Not trying to incur the wrath of Blizzard fanboys but... who wrote that script? George Lucas? It was awful! And the voice-acting wasn't much better. "Zerg, incoming" -- what is this, Toy Story? That doesn't sound threatening, that sounds like a group of pastry-making wankers who want to give you a cuddle.
Other than that, the trailer looked quite cool, I suppose. Still not cool enough to make me care enough about the game to buy it.
EDIT: At 1:41 in the video, that is a blatant copy the Halo 3 "Hornet." And at 1:07, they didn't even bother trying to disguise the fact that it's a direct knock-off of the Star Wars clone gunship.
Haha, wow, I think you spelled Bugs and Xenomorphs, and Sardaukar and Mobile Infantry, a bit wrong.Eldarion said:The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines.
obvious troll is obviousZahrDalsk said:Haha, wow, I think you spelled Bugs and Xenomorphs, and Sardaukar and Mobile Infantry, a bit wrong.Eldarion said:The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines.
The change to the Tyranids was due to GW losing a copyright battle with Blizzard over a loophole and then using it against them.Percutio said:Well for knowledge reasons, can you please link me to the source that says Starcraft was to be a WH40k based game? I am fairly certain this is false, as Warcraft was supposed to be based off of Warhammer, but that was indeed denied by Games Workshop which helps explain why the two are so similar and often it is often thought that this controversy was over Starcraft instead of Warcraft.Eldarion said:matrix3509 said:I suggest you do some research on both games; maybe, you know actually *le gasp* play both games before you so thoroughly stick your head up your ass.Odoylerules360 said:So it's gonna be, like, a knock-off of Warhammer 40K?
And it's real-time strategy, so that trailer is essentially meaningless.
Its the irrational Starcraft haters, treating the game as if it killed their firstborn, that are every bit as annoying as the Starcraft fanboys. At least the fanboys have reasons why they like the game, besides the fact that its been the most popular RTS for the last 12 years I mean.
I've played both games. The fact that blizz ripped off the warhammer 40k universe in very apparent. In fact, starcraft was going to be a warhammer 40k rts, but GW told them "no". The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines. Not to say that warhammer 40k is totally original, but that doesn't change the facts here.
Now, starcraft is by no means the same game. Its different enough to be its own thing and its fun in its own way. But to deny that it took some liberties from warhammer just shows that you are in fact, the one misinformed.
The Terrans and Space Marines are by no means original for either series and neither are the Zerg and Tyranids. The Tyranids actually took on less humanoid shapes after the Zerg were created, so even the similarities aren't rip offs. Besides, the Tyranids pose enormous space fleets and powerful titanic monsters focused on the consumption of all resources. The Zerg lack the titanic quality and are pure numbers based off the desire to achieve genetic perfection which is a trait bestowed upon them by a master race (Xel'Naga). Two distinct cliche-ridden alien groups.
Also, I absolutely love Tychus Finlay's voice. He is going to be a real treat in the campaign.
I meant to say warhammer, not WH40k. I keep mixing them up, my bad. My point still stands I believe. Its not appropriate to call starcraft a total rip off I did say that Starcraft was different enough to be its own thing, but its easy to see where blizz got its inspiration from. There is some validity in saying that.Percutio said:Well for knowledge reasons, can you please link me to the source that says Starcraft was to be a WH40k based game? I am fairly certain this is false, as Warcraft was supposed to be based off of Warhammer, but that was indeed denied by Games Workshop which helps explain why the two are so similar and often it is often thought that this controversy was over Starcraft instead of Warcraft.Eldarion said:matrix3509 said:I suggest you do some research on both games; maybe, you know actually *le gasp* play both games before you so thoroughly stick your head up your ass.Odoylerules360 said:So it's gonna be, like, a knock-off of Warhammer 40K?
And it's real-time strategy, so that trailer is essentially meaningless.
Its the irrational Starcraft haters, treating the game as if it killed their firstborn, that are every bit as annoying as the Starcraft fanboys. At least the fanboys have reasons why they like the game, besides the fact that its been the most popular RTS for the last 12 years I mean.
I've played both games. The fact that blizz ripped off the warhammer 40k universe in very apparent. In fact, starcraft was going to be a warhammer 40k rts, but GW told them "no". The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines. Not to say that warhammer 40k is totally original, but that doesn't change the facts here.
Now, starcraft is by no means the same game. Its different enough to be its own thing and its fun in its own way. But to deny that it took some liberties from warhammer just shows that you are in fact, the one misinformed.
The Terrans and Space Marines are by no means original for either series and neither are the Zerg and Tyranids. The Tyranids actually took on less humanoid shapes after the Zerg were created, so even the similarities aren't rip offs. Besides, the Tyranids pose enormous space fleets and powerful titanic monsters focused on the consumption of all resources. The Zerg lack the titanic quality and are pure numbers based off the desire to achieve genetic perfection which is a trait bestowed upon them by a master race (Xel'Naga). Two distinct cliche-ridden alien groups.
Also, I absolutely love Tychus Finlay's voice. He is going to be a real treat in the campaign.
As someone that did play the original Starcraft I can tell you that you pretty much hit the nail squarely on the head, especially because the first chunk of the trailer is an "iconic" scene from the original laboriously re-crafted from it's top-down sketchy in-game scripted sequence original to, well, this.ZombieGenesis said:I already saw the trailer, but that doesn't answer my main question.
What IS Starcraft? And why should I buy it?
I get the feeling that Blizzard is concentrating their marketing on people who played the original game, because I have no idea what it is.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not familiar with Starship Troopers, Alien, or Dune.Pariahwulfen said:obvious troll is obviousZahrDalsk said:Haha, wow, I think you spelled Bugs and Xenomorphs, and Sardaukar and Mobile Infantry, a bit wrong.Eldarion said:The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines.
Like I said it's a loop hole, if I remember correctly it was something about not being able to copyright the way something looks. To put it simply GW lost, then changed the 'Nids, Blizz saw them change the 'Nids and sued then lost over the EXACT same thing.Percutio said:Uh, the tyranids changed to look more like the Zerg because of copyright? That sounds odd and I don't understand what that changes.Pariahwulfen said:obvious troll is obviousZahrDalsk said:Haha, wow, I think you spelled Bugs and Xenomorphs, and Sardaukar and Mobile Infantry, a bit wrong.Eldarion said:The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines.The change to the Tyranids was due to GW losing a copyright battle with Blizzard over a loophole and then using it against them.Percutio said:Well for knowledge reasons, can you please link me to the source that says Starcraft was to be a WH40k based game? I am fairly certain this is false, as Warcraft was supposed to be based off of Warhammer, but that was indeed denied by Games Workshop which helps explain why the two are so similar and often it is often thought that this controversy was over Starcraft instead of Warcraft.Eldarion said:matrix3509 said:I suggest you do some research on both games; maybe, you know actually *le gasp* play both games before you so thoroughly stick your head up your ass.Odoylerules360 said:So it's gonna be, like, a knock-off of Warhammer 40K?
And it's real-time strategy, so that trailer is essentially meaningless.
Its the irrational Starcraft haters, treating the game as if it killed their firstborn, that are every bit as annoying as the Starcraft fanboys. At least the fanboys have reasons why they like the game, besides the fact that its been the most popular RTS for the last 12 years I mean.
I've played both games. The fact that blizz ripped off the warhammer 40k universe in very apparent. In fact, starcraft was going to be a warhammer 40k rts, but GW told them "no". The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines. Not to say that warhammer 40k is totally original, but that doesn't change the facts here.
Now, starcraft is by no means the same game. Its different enough to be its own thing and its fun in its own way. But to deny that it took some liberties from warhammer just shows that you are in fact, the one misinformed.
The Terrans and Space Marines are by no means original for either series and neither are the Zerg and Tyranids. The Tyranids actually took on less humanoid shapes after the Zerg were created, so even the similarities aren't rip offs. Besides, the Tyranids pose enormous space fleets and powerful titanic monsters focused on the consumption of all resources. The Zerg lack the titanic quality and are pure numbers based off the desire to achieve genetic perfection which is a trait bestowed upon them by a master race (Xel'Naga). Two distinct cliche-ridden alien groups.
Also, I absolutely love Tychus Finlay's voice. He is going to be a real treat in the campaign.
I am, however GW has mentioned that the Genestelaers were "inspired by" off of the critters from Alien and the space marines were based off of the Mobile Infantry at various Gamesdays. Also the pure rancor in your posts denoted the reference to trolling. :\ZahrDalsk said:I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not familiar with Starship Troopers, Alien, or Dune.Pariahwulfen said:obvious troll is obviousZahrDalsk said:Haha, wow, I think you spelled Bugs and Xenomorphs, and Sardaukar and Mobile Infantry, a bit wrong.Eldarion said:The Zerg and the Terrans are blatant rip offs of the Tyranids and the Space marines.