BNP Protests

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

Yes, the bnp are a disgusting arty, but the only way you will ever get them to go away is to completely ignore them. Even bad publicity draws attention to them and will inevitably result in getting some demented retards to vote for them.
All the people who say they are a bucnh of nazi pricks (which is a fairly accurate assessment) lets ban them, are just a bunch of hyprcrites though. The only people to ban political parties have been communists and fascist dictatorships.
You want to ban a political party= you are a fascist

 

[gh0ti]

At first I laughed very hard at the protests - always good to see the BNP humiliated. But then I got to thinking, and reading what these protesters thought they were doing.

First off, this is not the way to protest - throwing of missiles (even eggs) is wrong and reflects badly on the protesters. The BNP will no doubt find a way to portray themselves as victims to anti-free speech activism.

Second, these people are now (like it or not) democratically elected. The protesters claimed they were "supporting democracy" in their actions - how can that be when they are attacking people who were voted in to their newfound positions as MEPs?

Third, I disagree with the views of the protesters on a philosophical level. You should not ever impede free speech simply because you disagree with what someone has to say. The only time when this is permissable is when there is good reason to believe that an individual's words are going to incite violence. Moreover, as JS Mill said, "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."

In short, silencing a view, no matter how abhorent (as most of us agree the BNP are), serves only to give it credence among the gullible, ignorant and desperate - as the BNP's core support consists of.

 

[Cargando]

Y'know. I'm all for anti-immigration. But then theres just pure racism. I mean, I don't want to be supporting hitler, but I don't want to be supporting immigration either. Why isn't there a midway agreement?

immigration helps the country, and to be honest the polish do more work than some Brits i know who sit on their ass and claim benefits, and child benefit on about a hundred kids. also more people leave the UK every year than enter.

I hate the BNP, i seriously hope Nick Griffin gets everything he deserves for spouting his racist propaganda. i think he should be kicked out of the country or

Spoiler: controversial view

killed. can't spread hatred when your beyond the grave now, can you. anyone who discriminates against people for stupid reasons (like racism) doesn't deserve air

The only problem is if he's killed then he might become a martyr for the and may cause vendetta like campaigns to form afterwards.

I do agree with absolutely everything you've posted by killing will undermine the opposition against him and have negative ripple effects. Luckily the BNP during the protest are on camera shoving a fair few people out of the way, and fairly violently, so they can't put too much of a positive spin on things

Killed? I strongly doubt it will go that far.

 

[Bat Vader]

Y'know. I'm all for anti-immigration. But then theres just pure racism. I mean, I don't want to be supporting hitler, but I don't want to be supporting immigration either. Why isn't there a midway agreement?

^^This
Plus i think it is really ironic of those who threw the eggs were displaying the sort of intolerance and ignorance of another's views that they are supposedly campaigning against. If you don't like the BNP, (I, for one, am not a fan) then just ignore them and vote for another party

I hate it when people say stuff like this. Where the hell as that ever worked! The BNP are obviously morons who no one will actually vote for but they are still going to continue to spread all their hateful crap to anybody, including children through their newly founded BNP Youth (like the scouts for racists).

Ignoring them is simply not enough to silence them, I'm sorry to say this but some people just don't have the right to free speech.

Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech. It is when they abuse that right and start spreading hateful and threating slander that something should be done. If the BNP notice that no one is listening to them they will eventually stop speaking.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

They damn deserve it. I'm not from the UK, but if I was present at the dudes speech I'd throw more than just eggs at him...heck I'd probably even punch the damn dude.

 

[Amanov]

I think it's awesome, and if there's any happening near me, I'm going. And participating. And potentially getting arrested

But seriously, I'm all for free speech and political freedom, but if I was in Government I'd make it my sole objective to ban the BNP.

sadly this is very unlikely. German parliament has been trying to illegalise their far right groups for about 20 years, but they can't. there are some downsides to the UN, NATO and whatever else human rights crap.

The BNP should NEVER be banned. Ever. One of the most important components of a democracy is that the public should be provided with a real choice, unfortunately the BNP happens to be one of the few parties that does offer a choice politically and policy-wise as the Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are all in a state of consensus at the moment (they have basically the same policies, there's no real element of choice).

If you ban the BNP then you ban one of the most important elements of a democracy, an element that can, unfortuantely go either way: Good choice or bad choice. The BNP is bad choice, but if you ban them you actually go some way to creating a facist regime yourself.

The BNP shouldn't be banned, but better political education should ensure tha voting for them is GREATLY discouraged.

 

[XJ-0461]

I'm surprised they even have supporters due to their levels of stupidity and racism.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Huh. I'd have been happy to chuck my own


at 'em.

 

[D.C.]

I wonder why the sudden popularity though..

They didnt gain many more votes

Just the people who normaly vote Labour didn't turn up and so the less voters ment the smaller partys actually had a bigger percentage of the votes.

 

[The Jono]

Fair enough.

 

[D.C.]

I don't know if the BNP are fascists or not. I don't think they are...

They quite clearly are...

They havent released any world domination plans and promoton of the destruction of democracy in favour of a police state........ yet

so by the definition of fascism .. they arnt fascists.....yet.

 

[The Young One]

I think it's awesome, and if there's any happening near me, I'm going. And participating. And potentially getting arrested

But seriously, I'm all for free speech and political freedom, but if I was in Government I'd make it my sole objective to ban the BNP.

sadly this is very unlikely. German parliament has been trying to illegalise their far right groups for about 20 years, but they can't. there are some downsides to the UN, NATO and whatever else human rights crap.

The BNP should NEVER be banned. Ever. One of the most important components of a democracy is that the public should be provided with a real choice, unfortunately the BNP happens to be one of the few parties that does offer a choice politically and policy-wise as the Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are all in a state of consensus at the moment (they have basically the same policies, there's no real element of choice).

If you ban the BNP then you ban one of the most important elements of a democracy, an element that can, unfortuantely go either way: Good choice or bad choice. The BNP is bad choice, but if you ban them you actually go some way to creating a facist regime yourself.

The BNP shouldn't be banned, but better political education should ensure tha voting for them is GREATLY discouraged.

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there, for me.
Banning them wouldn't solve anything, but at the end of the day it is up to the individual who they vote for. Freedom of speech and choice, after all said and done is one of the most powerful tools at our disposal. It's up to the individual how they use said tool...

 

[fix-the-spade]

Like Mr Griffin said, everyone has the right to freedom of expression.

I'm extremely pleased people chose to excersize that right when he tried to make his 'triumphant' speech.

 

[fix-the-spade]

They havent released any world domination plans and promoton of the destruction of democracy in favour of a police state........ yet

so by the definition of fascism .. they arnt fascists.....yet.

No, but they only acknowledge the rights of anyone who isn't UK born and 100% white because they are legally obliged to...

 

[EeveeElectro]

One of them was on the news saying he wasn't racist because he didn't go around beating up black people.
I would have laughed if the eggs were foreign ones too.
The were in Barnsley shouting the odds situated outside Body Shop.
I couldn't resist telling them, "an immigrant built that shop you're stood in front of."

 

[Oldmanwillow]

I hate it when people say stuff like this. Where the hell as that ever worked! The BNP are obviously morons who no one will actually vote for but they are still going to continue to spread all their hateful crap to anybody, including children through their newly founded BNP Youth (like the scouts for racists).

Ignoring them is simply not enough to silence them, I'm sorry to say this but some people just don't have the right to free speech.

First off fuck you. We all have the right to freedom of speech and this shouldn't be infringed in ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM. I dont approve of racism but i will allow a racist to express his ideas. I will debate him though showing him the error of his ways and showing other people not to follow him.

People do not have the right to not be offended. I get offended by socialist's (i am a libertarian) but i will not try and shut them up. They have every right to speak there mind just like I have the right to debate them.

If outlaw the BNP you will just force them under ground and they will fight the government (remember the IRA people). This will create a lot more problems for your country then just people getting offended at others speech.

If people want to get ride of the party you should debate them rationally and when you win (logic will always beat racists) less and less people will vote for them. That simple.

FREE SPEECH IS AN MUST IN ANY FREE SOCIETY. HOW ANYONE COULD SAY WE DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO IT IS WAY BEYOND ME.

 

[Nmil-ek]

I hate it when people say stuff like this. Where the hell as that ever worked! The BNP are obviously morons who no one will actually vote for but they are still going to continue to spread all their hateful crap to anybody, including children through their newly founded BNP Youth (like the scouts for racists).

Ignoring them is simply not enough to silence them, I'm sorry to say this but some people just don't have the right to free speech.

First off fuck you. We all have the right to freedom of speech and this shouldn't be infringed in ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM. I dont approve of racism but i will allow a racist to express his ideas. I will debate him though showing him the error of his ways and showing other people not to follow him.

People do not have the right to not be offended. I get offended by socialist's (i am a libertarian) but i will not try and shut them up. They have every right to speak there mind just like I have the right to debate them.

If outlaw the BNP you will just force them under ground and they will fight the government (remember the IRA people). This will create a lot more problems for your country then just people getting offended at others speech.

If people want to get ride of the party you should debate them rationally and when you win (logic will always beat racists) less and less people will vote for them. That simple.

FREE SPEECH IS AN MUST IN ANY FREE SOCIETY. HOW ANYONE COULD SAY WE DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO IT IS WAY BEYOND ME.

We can sumerise and stop this post with one simple thing, we dont have a written law or protection for free speech in Britain period, we do have laws for discrimination and racial language and legal punishments and frankly I prefer it that way. Complete free speech is like giving a gun to a baby most people are too stupid to deserve it.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

I love all the nubs saying suppress the BNP....yes because suppressing Political Movements squashes them. Tell that to the Weimar Republic when it tried to squash the NSDAP didn't work for them either.

 

[D_987]

I don't know if the BNP are fascists or not. I don't think they are...

They quite clearly are...

They havent released any world domination plans and promoton of the destruction of democracy in favour of a police state........ yet

so by the definition of fascism .. they arnt fascists.....yet.

According to Google:

Fascism is a totalitarian nationalist and corporatist ideology. It is primarily concerned with perceived problems associated with cultural, economic, political, and social decline or decadence.

So the BNP are fascist; they have a very similar view to the Nazis on all these points - one of the large fascist governments.

 

[D_987]

I love all the nubs saying suppress the BNP....yes because suppressing Political Movements squashes them. Tell that to the Weimar Republic when it tried to squash the NSDAP didn't work for them either.

Having studied Nazi Germany and Weimar for over 3 years I can say that the Nazi rise was complete chance - there were so many lucky breaks or ill-informed people. They were the reasons they rose to the power they did; among other factors. Today however people are far better informed regarding politics and despite the current recession Wall street has not crashed...