British Government Proposes Universal Ban on Net Porn

jaketaz

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Debates on porn and violence and swearing always piss me off so much. If you're worried about how your children will grow up, set a good example for them. Yeah, I feel like most kids shouldn't be allowed to watch Fight Club or something like that, but when you feel they're old enough to understand a thing or two, then yeah watch some screwed up movies with them and be there to answer their questions when they inevitably freak out about what they're seeing. What's the big deal?

Also, sex is a basic human need. Let's be real. So if people want to use porn to fulfill their basic bodily needs, who gives a shit? Better that than running around getting STDs, or adding more people to the already overpopulated planet, right? I only use porn when I'm single or my girlfriend's not around, it makes me feel better, it hasn't turned me into a depraved lunatic, it doesn't hurt anyone, and it's got many recognized health benefits.
 

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mattaui said:
The British seem to love an all-powerful central government that controls most aspects of their lives, so this doesn't come as a surprise. Another terribly invasive idea that takes away freedoms from individuals and won't solve any problems, while commercial avenues for this sort of thing already exist. There aren't just home software solutions, but at least there used to be ISPs that specifically advertised that they'd do this for you.
Yyeeeaaahhhh, you might want to actually meet some British people and not just learn about them from what you see on Family Guy. No, most of us Brits do not want this. We have our share of scaremongers and 'It's for the children' campaigners as any other country, but they are not the majority and never will be.

The general public do not want the above, a vocal minority probably do.
 

Phantomxd

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lol sorry if i missed your comment but cant you guys see this has nothing to do with porn.
I'll show you the formula:

Site A has damming evidence about Politician B
Politician B creates blacklist to abolish (insert moral dillema here) eg porn
Politician B boasts they have made the world a better place
Politician B black lists Site A
Politician B win

open your eyes ppl this has happened to china already

(Source}: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#Censored_content

have a nice cmas all ^^
 

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Commander Breetai said:
Why is this a problem?

They're not banning it (way to fear-monger, Escapist!), they're simply ensuring you don't get it unless you specifically request access to it. You can still access it, you just have to say "Give it to me, please."
The implications of someone actually maintaining a list of people who watch porn is getting way to personal for most people. You shouldn't have to opt in, you should have to opt out.

Archonic Energy said:
can you imagine how many people would turn up to a "bring back the porn" march once they were told it would be covered by the news...

None. who want's to be seen on the telly asking for Porn?!

this is a job for Anon!
I would. I'd also bring my girlfriend along, i'm pretty sure she'd agree that this is fucked up.
 

mattaui

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Xennon said:
mattaui said:
The British seem to love an all-powerful central government that controls most aspects of their lives, so this doesn't come as a surprise. Another terribly invasive idea that takes away freedoms from individuals and won't solve any problems, while commercial avenues for this sort of thing already exist. There aren't just home software solutions, but at least there used to be ISPs that specifically advertised that they'd do this for you.
Yyeeeaaahhhh, you might want to actually meet some British people and not just learn about them from what you see on Family Guy. No, most of us Brits do not want this. We have our share of scaremongers and 'It's for the children' campaigners as any other country, but they are not the majority and never will be.

The general public do not want the above, a vocal minority probably do.
I certainly wouldn't want it, either, but all I have to do is look at the sorts of laws on the books and the way the government is run in the UK to define it very easily as a society that likes government to solve all its problems, and thus you'll get people proposing and supporting laws like this. I know it's not the orthodox view, with some trying to say this is a 'conservative' issue, but there's nothing conservative or small government about censorship, and I apply that reasoning to the sorts of ridiculous laws that get proposed here in the US as well.

The United States is right behind you in that regard, with a very vocal group of people trying to push as much power into the hands of their elected officials as fast as they possibly can.

But leave Family Guy out of it. That's a wonderfully stupid show!
 

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this will merely increase piracy, bit torrent sites arent classed as porn yet link thousands of porn torrents.

everyday there is something on the news that makes me a little bit more depressed to live in modern times.

all that will happen is you will get more proxy servers and underground porn sites this is idiot and as i type i can FEEL THE FUCKING RAGE BUILDING UP ON MY CAPSLOCK AT THIS STUPID FUCKING TOFF, RICH, PONCY TWAT ARSE OF A FUCKING EXCUSE FOR A GOVERNMENT WHO SHOULD FUCK OFF BACK TO THEIR PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND TO THEIR MANSIONS

THE SAME GOVERNMENT WHO HAD AN MP PAY FOR REPAIRS TO HIS FUCKING MOAT AROUND HIS PISSING TWATTING SHITTY CASTLE WITH TAX PAYERS MONEY
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU-
 

JunebugJuJuBee

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Commander Breetai said:
Why is this a problem?

They're not banning it (way to fear-monger, Escapist!), they're simply ensuring you don't get it unless you specifically request access to it. You can still access it, you just have to say "Give it to me, please."
Let's say that, every time you want to drive, you have to call a government office and tell them where you're going. Even if you aren't doing anything illegal, wouldn't it bother you that they want to know? Isn't it none of their business? This is about privacy of information and personal freedom.
 

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/facepalm

We're in a recession, lots of things are going wrong in Britain altogether, and all the government care about is porn? This is going to cause more trouble than its worth considering that 99.9% of homes in Britain will be asking their providers to allow porn.

Wait a tick, i thought the point of living in a democracy was that we have freedom to do stuff like this? /secondfacepalm

Limiting freedoms can be helpful to maintain civility and order, but when you start severely restricting freedoms, your no longer a democracy, your a despotism.
 

Zipa

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Good luck conservative morons, the internet will always be on step ahead. Either that or everyone will just use Sky internet. They are not even mentioned on there. Scottish company ftw
 

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I always found how the act of making 'love' was more likely to cause them to spiral down the path of 'evil', 'wrong' and 'corruption' then anything else.
 

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Kratenser said:
/facepalm

We're in a recession, lots of things are going wrong in Britain altogether, and all the government care about is porn? This is going to cause more trouble than its worth considering that 99.9% of homes in Britain will be asking their providers to allow porn.

Wait a tick, i thought the point of living in a democracy was that we have freedom to do stuff like this? /secondfacepalm

Limiting freedoms can be helpful to maintain civility and order, but when you start severely restricting freedoms, your no longer a democracy, your a despotism.
As long as we live under the rule of someone, there's no such thing as 'freedom'. At best, we just get more options given to us in this 'freedom'.
 

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the massive problems with these things is that they're intentionally vague on what constitutes "mature content" to me that sounds like it could open up a shitstorm on the whole freedom thing,

it's funny how conservatives call for smaller government, but then try to pull this crap in the name of the Great Nanny State, seriously, fuck off and raise your own kids,

seriously, if this crap goes on any longer you'll one day end up in trouble because you explained to your curious 14 year old how sex works. We're raising a generation of work shy functionally retarded, perpetually dependent imbeciles who are spoon fed everything they "need" to know and kept hidden from everything else. this porno block is just another example of a deeper problem, is it good for the children, or their egos?
 

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InterAirplay said:
Your rants are delicious.

Violence glorification and sex demonisation annoys me too.

Cuppa Tetleys said:
Oh, for god's sake!!! They'll restrict OAPD (oxygen allowance per day) next!! This is pathetic; although having ten year olds being able to have quick peek a youporn is not recommendable, pornography allows youths to vent their sexual frustration rather than suppress it and either cause irreparable psychological damage or make them randy as hell - leading to underage sex and inevitably teenage pregnancy. Hmmm...I wonder what is a big problem in the UK right now...gee, I don't know cos the government STOLE MY BRAIN!! We have such a problem with teenage pregnancy and such cos we treat sex as such a big deal and as something that is wrong and bad. If we were more open about sex in the UK, people might not be trying at 12 years old!!
Or COPD (Carbon Emissions Per Day) where we have to walk around wearing special masks monitoring our carbon footprint, haha.

I definitely agree about the openness thing. How are they supposed to know what is and isn't appropriate when adults try to shelter them from the topic? "You show me yours, I show you mine" games can escalate into other things. Some children can be little perverts, naturally. Other children can be really naive and be taken advantage of. They can grow up with a feeling that their past is tainted and they can't tell anyone because sex is considered an embarrassing and vulgar subject. Teaching it from a more mature, straight forward, scientific perspective is important so they a) know what they are doing and what is happening to them and b) don't feel like they have to hide things, especially if someone is making them feel uncomfortable. I don't advocate/promote porn or even any of those sexualised music videos or soap operas that inspire eleven year old suburban brats to pretend they live in the ghetto or little girls to dress like whores (it's just stupid) but education is the most important thing, not censorship.
 

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I'm not against keeping pornography out of the hands of kids, but the fact that they want you to have to opt out of having your internet feed censored rather than opt-in to having porn sites blocked for those families that have children really says it all in terms of what they're actually hoping to accomplish.

Stiff upper lip, gentlemen! ...And, nothing else, tinkew.
 

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The Government DID NOT and DOES NOT plan to block porn...Claire Perry is NOT the Government, she does not hold power to legislate, she's a nobody.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm101123/debtext/101123-0003.htm

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Claire Perry (Devizes) (Con): I am grateful for the opportunity to debate this matter tonight. I thank Members on both sides of the House who have either made time to attend the debate or expressed support for my proposal since it was announced yesterday. I am asking for a change in regulation that would require all UK-based internet service providers to restrict universal access to pornographic material by implementing a simple opt-in system based on age verification.
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It is simply beyond belief that people can find sexual pleasure in viewing images of children, men and women being subject to the worst sexual degradation and violence. If that is our definition of free speech, the definition is wrong. That is not the purpose of tonight's debate, however. I do not propose to reduce or restrict inappropriate content for adults who access to the internet; I would simply like to make it more difficult for our children to access that material.
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Interestingly, although the official view of the Internet Service Providers' Association-confusingly named ISPA-is that any official restrictions would be hugely expensive, technically difficult and open to circumvention, one provider, TalkTalk, proposes to provide a ratings system in the new year, with an opt-in system including U, 14, 18 or unclassified ratings similar to those of the British Board of Film Classification. Although that is a responsible and welcome step which I commend, it is a voluntary system, again with the onus on parents to sign up. Surely it would be better for TalkTalk to offer a default U setting and then allow an opt-in to more advanced levels.

Culture Minister Ed Vaisey:
My hon. Friend talked about an age-verified opt-in procedure for internet access to pornography hosted in the UK. This is already the case, although my hon. Friend made her own forceful argument that it might not be effective enough. The managers of websites featuring mature content have a legal responsibility to indicate clearly on their front page that those sites are unsuitable for anybody under the age of 18. Additionally, when websites charge for access, they must place their adult content behind a credit card barrier, to reduce further the risk of children and young people accessing it. We will continue to consider how that protection might be made more effective.
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UKCCIS is also working to encourage parents to take responsibility for what their children see online. I hear what my hon. Friend says about the need for ISPs to block this content, but I think it important for parents to take responsibility, and to use the filters and parental controls that are available in current technology to prevent their children from accessing harmful material.
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We believe in an open lightly regulated internet. The internet is, by and large, a force for good. It is central to our lives and our economy, and a Government have to be wary about regulating or passing legislation. Nevertheless, the advent of the internet has brought a number of problems. One of them is the proliferation of images of child abuse, which I believe is being dealt with extremely effectively through the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre and UKCCIS, with the co-operation of ISPs. ISPs remain under an obligation to take down illegal pornographic content, which can extend beyond child abuse images, but there remain, from my position as a Minister, two issues. One of them is access to illegal content in terms of music, film and the creative industries, on which I am working with ISPs and rights holders. I take the second issue very seriously as a constituency MP alone: how we can work harder to ensure that it is more difficult for our children to come across inappropriate adult content. I firmly believe we can make progress, in co-operation with the ISPs, and that we can proceed on the basis of self-regulation. As I have said, I think it is important that we meet and sit around a table to exchange views, and I look forward to brokering such a meeting with my hon. Friend the Member for Devizes and a number of organisations she deems to be appropriate.
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