Bureaucracy-Em-Up
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Make sure you water down your comedy for professional victims and their phony outrage, that's what all great comedians do. They apologize and grovel instead of letting their material stand on its own context and intentions.
It's not like anyone watches your videos because you speak your mind and you aren't afraid of offending anyone. I say good riddance to the old biting, poignant, unique Yahtzee. I look forward to future spineless Yahtzee, where there's never any provocative language, no one is ever upset, and we're all lulled into a gentle nap by soft, inoffensive jokes.
It's not like anyone watches your videos because you speak your mind and you aren't afraid of offending anyone. I say good riddance to the old biting, poignant, unique Yahtzee. I look forward to future spineless Yahtzee, where there's never any provocative language, no one is ever upset, and we're all lulled into a gentle nap by soft, inoffensive jokes.
How so? How is it fair that some targets are fair game for comedy, but others aren't?Zeldias said:
I don't laugh at bad things on the news if that's what you're getting at. Some funny jokes can come from tragedies and injustices though.
Just because people are hurt by a thing doesn't mean they can whine until it goes away, especially when they've been perfectly fine with things that hurt other people.
Most certainly is... oh you're still talking?Psychobabble said:
Are you being serious? "Safety"? This isn't some workplace danger or a virus. It's a guy who makes scathing jokes about video games.
Safe from being wounded by an analogy... I hope you're joking.
Anyone who complained is the problem. Seriously. Anyone who gets offended by ANYTHING EVER needs to stop and consider context or intent, or the person behind the statement. Ugh. Yahtzee should never have had to apologize. And since when is "tranny" derogatory? Its a shortened version of transgender. That reminds me of people who feel the need to be offended when you refer to someone as a Jew instead of Jewish... Fuuuuuck, I really start to hate you humans sometimes.
Did you read what Yahtzee said? While he disagreed about people taking offense to the word "trannies" regardless of context, his response to criticism of his pre-op transexuals joke was basically "Hmm, you're right, I could have worded that better. Let me clarify. Sorry if I offended you, that wasn't my intention."Abomination said:
No one was holding a gun to his head. No one threatened to take away his show or do anything bad to him. If he disagreed and wanted to argue with that, fine, but why are you trying to defend him on something that by all appearances, he actually thinks he was a bit in the wrong? Seems a bit . . . knee-jerk?
Abomination said:
Yes and one of those jokes apparently hurt enough peoples feelings that the resulting backlash made Yahtzee feel he needed to issue both an explanation and apology.
I'm simply offering advice on how he could further protect himself from future incidents by changing his style to a more open and universally friendly format. I truly apologize if that offer of advice offends you as it was in no way my intention.
I find it absolutely ridiculous that people who get "offended" by spoken words still get taken seriously. That a video gets retroactively censored, changed just because someone can't take a joke. It's words for crying out loud, listening to them can't cause your arms to fall off, can't infect you with cholera.
They are just words, and being able to ignore them if you don't like them is a pretty important part of adulthood.
They are just words, and being able to ignore them if you don't like them is a pretty important part of adulthood.
Betrayal is supposedly the deepest circle (9th) but not one of the cardinal sins. For the mixed-sin situation you described I think Greed would be a better fit-all. It seems to overlap with most of the others like Lust or Gluttony.
Interesting idea. Such a game would be completely justified in putting time limits on you too given how many souls would be sent your way in the average day, and if your lineup gets too long you get fired or something. Might be even more effective if in more challenging levels your patrons had all sorts of lengthy stories trying to mitigate their sins, some good and some flimsy.
Suggested name: Gatekeeper.
Interesting idea. Such a game would be completely justified in putting time limits on you too given how many souls would be sent your way in the average day, and if your lineup gets too long you get fired or something. Might be even more effective if in more challenging levels your patrons had all sorts of lengthy stories trying to mitigate their sins, some good and some flimsy.
Suggested name: Gatekeeper.
I agree with this guy. I acknowledge that transgender people have it rough in the world right now, and I can empathize with that, but is Yahtzee really the source we need to go after on this? He's been doing this for 6 years now, and I just find it very peculiar that THIS was apparently the straw that broke the camel's back. When Yahtzee has already made jokes about tons of other races, ethnicities, genders, sexualities, physical handicaps, mental disabilities, ages, and animals. It's just kinda hard to imagine someone who has apparently been perfectly fine with everything Yahtzee has ever said up until now but found this to be going too far as anything other than slightly hypocritical. Let us remember, this is the comedian who has said the following lines (and these are just off the top of my head)Genocidicles said:
"And another thing, I think Hitler was right!"
"Also the game is from Japan and everyone knows what a bunch of xenophobic dicks they are."
"Not that they'd know anything about work, the lazy ni-"
Among many others.
And one of his Call of Duty episodes (I think it was Black Ops 2) basically being less of a game critique and more a 6 minute long rant insulting America. Though to be fair, Blops2 also has over 500 comments on it, so I think that may have been a case where people did get upset. Still though, it apparently wasn't enough to warrant the episode being changed.
But all of that is apparently moot. People got offended, expressed those concerns (some classier than others) and Yahtzee has extended the olive branch, made a sincere apology, and changed the joke. Now that's just plain decent of him. Far more decent than a lot of the people who commented their disgust on the video thread.
Isn't Yahtzee making a transgender joke the exact same way he would make a joke about anyone else sort of what the entire goal of the LBGT movement is? To live in a world where we're all treated as equals? Well part of that is realizing that you're fair game for satirical jokes, just like everyone else.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be offended when someone makes an insensitive comment about a certain group or that anyone who was offended should just "suck it up". I just think a comedian who has been known for saying insensitive comments about certain groups for six years now is a weird place to start a battle.
It is quite funny. I am a Christian, and when I hear a religion joke, I always get 'irked' about it, but I try to find the comedy in it, and even if I dont agree with it, well, oh well. Comedy shouldn't have boundaries because people get uncomfortable about ones that may apply to them.Covarr said:
So, I think from now on if I hear a joke about Christians in any video on the Escapist, im not going to try to find the comedy in it, I get enough shit about it on the Escapist if I even mention it. Thats exactly what this is telling me.
You're one of the good guys, Yahtzee. I could see what you were going for with the joke but, like you said, poor phrasing. Glad you treated the issue with maturity.
If you think words are such completely powerless, meaningless things, why post on a forum?Whispering Cynic said:
I'd never heard of this game but was intrigued enough to buy it. It's astonishingly addictive, and has some really neat little thought-provoking touches in it, like when a guy comes through with valid papers and tells you to look out for his wife a few people behind him. When she finally shuffles up, guess what? Invalid papers. Do you separate a husband and wife, or take a rap on the knuckles for letting in an illegal?
It's not a game that you can pick up and put down though. Once you start playing, you'll be sucked into it for hours without realizing.
One thing did occur to me though - if he does take it to consoles in the future, it might be one of the few sensible uses of the Wii-U controller, which could act as your desk, while the person and interview booth is on the main screen.
It's not a game that you can pick up and put down though. Once you start playing, you'll be sucked into it for hours without realizing.
One thing did occur to me though - if he does take it to consoles in the future, it might be one of the few sensible uses of the Wii-U controller, which could act as your desk, while the person and interview booth is on the main screen.
You know full well he's apologizing because someone complained, not because he went back over his video with a fine tooth comb.kingpocky said:
Yes, I read what he posted. That's why I'm commenting in this very thread. I'm saying there's no need at all for him to apologize and you can't think for a moment that there would be any apology if someone didn't get upset about a non-offensive comment.
He didn't make fun of transsexuals in any way, he made fun of a hypothetical homophobe.
There was nothing to apologize for and those who got upset have a serious projection issue.
I guess you better go back and change what offends me about your post. Gotta change the source, you know? That takes priority.Psychobabble said:
I really don't like that Yahtzee had to apologize and censor his video because of that joke.
I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again, we will get nowhere unless everyone is treated equally, we can't be having this entire "You can't say this because that group is oppressed"*, that just harbors ill-will and allows people to abuse their immunity by being hateful without fear of reprisal or criticism and labeling any that do criticize as bigoted in some way or another.
It is that which hurts and upsets me personally the most, I have found more and more recently that my being born who I am (straight, white, and male) has made my opinions worth nothing and automatically earns me the disdain and sometimes hatred of supposed equal rights activists; it has gotten to the point that I've written and rewritten this post several times and am still debating whether it is worth me posting it.
[small]* This isn't to say when someone says something with genuine hateful intent behind it they shouldn't be called out.[/small]
I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again, we will get nowhere unless everyone is treated equally, we can't be having this entire "You can't say this because that group is oppressed"*, that just harbors ill-will and allows people to abuse their immunity by being hateful without fear of reprisal or criticism and labeling any that do criticize as bigoted in some way or another.
It is that which hurts and upsets me personally the most, I have found more and more recently that my being born who I am (straight, white, and male) has made my opinions worth nothing and automatically earns me the disdain and sometimes hatred of supposed equal rights activists; it has gotten to the point that I've written and rewritten this post several times and am still debating whether it is worth me posting it.
[small]* This isn't to say when someone says something with genuine hateful intent behind it they shouldn't be called out.[/small]
No, there's no *need* for him to apologize. But it appears that he has done so anyway. If he didn't want to apologize, that'd be his right, and I'd fight to defend it.Abomination said:
When someone says "Hey, that's offensive" you can tell them to fuck off. You can also consider if it was offensive, and clarify what you meant. Yahtzee did the latter. He's not under any pressure to be inoffensive, is he? His whole shtick is edgy enough that it's not something he needs to care about.
To paraphrase something he said about Nintendo once, why are so many people here trying to jump to his defense? Yahtzee doesn't care about easily offended people, and he cares even less about you.