Bureaucracy-Em-Up

[LysanderNemoinis]

I really don't like that Yahtzee had to apologize and censor his video because of that joke.

I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again, we will get nowhere unless everyone is treated equally, we can't be having this entire "You can't say this because that group is oppressed"*, that just harbors ill-will and allows people to abuse their immunity by being hateful without fear of reprisal or criticism and labeling any that do criticize as bigoted in some way or another.

It is that which hurts and upsets me personally the most, I have found more and more recently that my being born who I am (straight, white, and male) has made my opinions worth nothing and automatically earns me the disdain and sometimes hatred of supposed equal rights activists; it has gotten to the point that I've written and rewritten this post several times and am still debating whether it is worth me posting it.

[small]* This isn't to say when someone says something with genuine hateful intent behind it they shouldn't be called out.[/small]

Oh trust me, you'll soon find yourself called a bigot for not realizing your "privilege" and daring to say that sometimes, not all times, but *sometimes* someone who is of a racial, ethnic, or religious minority (and even moreso someone who hacks up their body because they have issues) can be an asshole just like anyone else.

It all just reminds me of the way certain people will go on and on about how horrible America is because all it's citizens don't agree about "gay marriage," yet there are countries at this very moment that will stone a gay person just because they're gay, and no one really talks about that. But if you do, then you're being racist or islamophobic.

But ultimately, I suppose it doesn't matter because Yahtzee himself once said that a truly tolerate society is one where anyone can make a joke about anyone else and no one wigs out about it. Oh well, I suppose that only works when he's making fun of people he doesn't like and that aren't a protected class of people.

 

[lacktheknack]

I guess you better go back and change what offends me about your post. Gotta change the source, you know? That takes priority.

Dude... he did it.

He actually did it.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW

OT: I really want to play the Bureaucratic Hell game now. Dammit, Yahtzee! Why do you hand out ideas I like that will never happen? D:

 

[Faith Meade]

Very big of you to apologize, but I honestly wasn't offended. I got the point you were trying to come across and your statement felt more offensive to the person in denial than the pre-op transgender person. Anyway, I'm just glad that someone is willing to be caring and sympathetic to all kinds of people.

 

[Abomination]

Mad respect for you taking the time to make the apology to the transsexual community. I feel it shows true class. It seems in these dark days we have to broaden our minds and think more about the feelings of others so we can refrain from our words causing unintended hurt. And if that means the loss of our freedom to personal self expression, I feel its worth it to help better humanity as a whole. On that note Yahtzee, do you think you could ratchet down the profanity in the future? It doesn't bother me but I like to watch your show on my iPad while having tea with my Gran and it seems to bother her quite a lot.

I have an idea. If your grandmother doesn't like swearing, maybe you should just not watch things that have swearing in them? Rather then asking everyone to change to fit your desires?

[SELF CENSORED TO PROTECT THE FEELINGS OF ABOMINATION]

I'm offended you mentioned my name specificially. Please change your post to protect my feelings.

 

[Abomination]

No, there's no *need* for him to apologize. But it appears that he has done so anyway. If he didn't want to apologize, that'd be his right, and I'd fight to defend it.

When someone says "Hey, that's offensive" you can tell them to fuck off. You can also consider if it was offensive, and clarify what you meant. Yahtzee did the latter. He's not under any pressure to be inoffensive, is he? His whole shtick is edgy enough that it's not something he needs to care about.

To paraphrase something he said about Nintendo once, why are so many people here trying to jump to his defense? Yahtzee doesn't care about easily offended people, and he cares even less about you.

But I'm not jumping to his defense, he's not being attacked in this instance. I'm commenting on how absurd it is that he was pressured - and even caved to it - to change his content over something that was not offensive because somebody somehow found it so.

If someone was perhaps an individual who only had sex with pre-op trans women or transvestite men and insisted they were not homosexual then I can understand them being offended because the piece is specifically about that kind of person. But trans? Getting offended for how a majority of the world views the SEX of a transgendered person who still has a penis?

That's the absurd part.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Oh everyone is so thin skinned they can't take a joke, even if it is directed at them. I wish he hadn't apologized because there was no need to do so. In doing so, all he does is vindicate people who really had nothing to stand on in the first place with their "I am so offended!" complaints.

 

[Abomination]

No, there's no *need* for him to apologize. But it appears that he has done so anyway. If he didn't want to apologize, that'd be his right, and I'd fight to defend it.

When someone says "Hey, that's offensive" you can tell them to fuck off. You can also consider if it was offensive, and clarify what you meant. Yahtzee did the latter. He's not under any pressure to be inoffensive, is he? His whole shtick is edgy enough that it's not something he needs to care about.

To paraphrase something he said about Nintendo once, why are so many people here trying to jump to his defense? Yahtzee doesn't care about easily offended people, and he cares even less about you.

But I'm not jumping to his defense, he's not being attacked in this instance. I'm commenting on how absurd it is that he was pressured - and even caved to it - to change his content over something that was not offensive because somebody somehow found it so.

If someone was perhaps an individual who only had sex with pre-op trans women or transvestite men and insisted they were not homosexual then I can understand them being offended because the piece is specifically about that kind of person. But trans? Getting offended for how a majority of the world views the SEX of a transgendered person who still has a penis?

That's the absurd part.

Why are you so offended that the joke was changed? You should probably calm down and stop being so thin-skinned.

Finding a series of events absurd =/= being offended.

Where have I said this was offensive? I said it was abusrd.

You do know what being offended means, right?

 

[Plunkies]

Oh everyone is so thin skinned they can't take a joke, even if it is directed at them. I wish he hadn't apologized because there was no need to do so. In doing so, all he does is vindicate people who really had nothing to stand on in the first place with their "I am so offended!" complaints.

The apology also offends people who feel strongly about free speech and comedy. Before this apology I was entirely indifferent to trannies, and now that they're attacking things that I like I feel a general dislike for them.

If you want to be an equal, act like an equal. Don't try to get special treatment where people can make jokes about everyone BUT you. That just makes people resent you. It's narcissistic to think that you're owed an apology for a joke but everyone else can be made fun of at will. You're either for total free speech, total censorship, or you're a selfish idiot. There's no 4th option.

 

[Rosiv]

Very big of you to apologize, but I honestly wasn't offended. I got the point you were trying to come across and your statement felt more offensive to the person in denial than the pre-op transgender person. Anyway, I'm just glad that someone is willing to be caring and sympathetic to all kinds of people.

enforcing gender roles by implying that trans-women aren't women.

Except you know they aren't women. They are men who have decided to mutilate themselves for whatever sick reasons. But hey let us not let facts get in the way of a good public attack on someone.

I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

I hope you die in a fire.

And here ladies, gentlemen, and flying spaghetti monsters the proof of what I said earlier that the views of tolerance for all these people spout is only so long as you agree 100% with them and there flawed logic. Thank you for helping me prove most (certainly not all) people like you who claim everyone need to be tolerant of others are in fact nothing more than hypocrites and are the first to cast stones and attacks against those who do not agree or serve your views.

Thank you for even showing in back to back posts the hypocrisy. In one glad someone is caring and sympathetic to all people. In the next threatening me for no damn reason other than not wanting to agree with facts because as facts show no matter what you do to yourself you are still of XY chromosomes and were still born with a penis even if you did chop it off. As such you are a man no matter what you try to change outwardly about yourself facts are facts and to attack someone for not being blinded by political correctness BS and telling things how they are is downright laughable. Same as could glue wings to my back and antennae on my head and my friend could dress as a cat all day. But that does not make me a bug nor my friend a cat. We are what we are from the time we are born and no amount of superficial modifications for strange and honestly downright freaky maybe deviant reasons will change that.

It WILL change the instance though. For the terms man and women are too vague to be only defined by the biological lens. I mean, the term biologically man / women is really too loaded anyways to use properly. It conotates too much info. A proper term would be a person with XY or XX as you stated, but chromosomes dont really dictate manhood or womanhood anymore. We have ways of changing our appearance, so that our phenotype isnt a issue. In a way, its almost like changing our phenotype really, since the chromosomes are responsible for the hormone production, and thats the root of what makes someone a man or a women.

As for your cat analogy, its not really on par. A cat and a human are vastly different, cats cant talk, cats dont have rights, cats are like 1/5 the size of humans. So a person could never really approximate a cat with out some sort of miracle surgery that doesnt exist yet. And even if they could, they would still have the advanced human brain, that a cat lacks. As for a difference between males and female brains, there arent alot, for alot of things men can do, women can too. So a shift from one to the other is a bit more realistic. There will be the issue of passing, but i mean there are ugly women and ugly men, there arent any talking, walking cats...

In closing, its not really political correctness, but just context that should be looked at. A tree isnt a tree forever, sometimes we turn them into chairs, or pencils, and when i use a pencil, i dont say im using a tree. Things like this can change for the most part.

And off topic again, but i think the main reason Yahtzee apologized was because there was a fuss about it, and i assumed he read it, and it seemed to be legitimate. If you were part of a minority that was offended too, i guess you could complain about that in his next video if he makes a joke, but you would need a notable portion complaining i guess, as per the transgender joke.

The guy just wants to keep his job and be liked. I want him to stay on too, cause he's good at it. No one likes a bigot, which is seen contemporarlly as someone anti-LGBT, regardless of if it is true.

 

[Plunkies]

What's even more irritating than the men in dresses wanting special comedic immunity, is Yahtzee himself.

Here's a guy whose primary interests and occupation are all entirely dependent on creativity and freedom of expression. Comedy, journalism video games. The very reason we know who he is, and the reason he built a fanbase, is because he spewed vitriol with complete disregard of what other people wanted or expected him to say. His entire persona is predicated on his ability to be an offensive asshole. To have him then pander to one small minority after insulting so many people for so long shows zero self awareness, and makes you wonder where his backbone went. I'd have to assume the escapist pressured him. Either that or he's just lost his mind.

 

[Piecewise]

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Yeah, sorry but no. He made a holocaust joke as well, and there was nary a peep about that. Either nothing is exempt from comedy, or everything is.

Do you really find "all or nothing" to be rational? Because if you do, I've got to assume you're a kid, because I've only heard kids try to reason like that. That's not an attempt to insult you, but to say that this kind of thinking is immature as fuck.

And isn't the point of comedy to speak truth to power? Or do you find it funny to abuse the abused? If that's the case, you must find reading about injustices that occur in the world hilarious. If people are hurt by a thing, just because it was supposed to be funny doesn't make it excusable.

Also, with regards to the Holocaust thing, unless that was recently, there's all kinds of differences in viewership and cultural direction to consider.

Dear small percentage of the LGBT community that apparently lacks the concept of what humor is.

Calm the fuck down. You know what makes accepting people who are different from what is considered to be the norm easier? A lack of fear that you're gonna flip your shit if we mention facts about you.

Did you know that pre-op Female transexuals have penises? Allow me to make a joke relating to that fact.

WHAT?! HOW DARE YOU FIND ANY ASPECT OF LIFE FUNNY! YOU CAN MAKE FUN OF YOURSELF, YOUR GOVERNMENT, RELIGION, ETHICS, MORALITY, MURDER, DEATH, MENTAL ILLNESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD, BUT YOU LEAVE MY PENIS OUT OF THIS!

Yeah, ok.


Honestly, some people are getting more fucking knee jerk about this then Muslim extremists get about danish cartoons.


Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna go draw the Prophet Mohammed as a pre-op transexual having gay sex on a burning American flag, just to see what kind of levels of butthurt can be generated.

"I'm not apart of this community so I can dictate to you what is funny and what isn't!" Please shut the hell up. Maybe transsexual people don't want to be the butt of your fucking jokes and it's fair for them to get angry and say something. Is it astonishing to see that a group of people who have reliably been made a joke of, put down, harassed, and murdered got mad when someone made a joke about sex with one of them?

Now I'm gonna have the transgender prophet Mohammed having sex with gay nazi Jesus Hitler.

Also no. Not gonna shut up. Learn to fucking deal with it. Everyone gets made fun of. Suck it up.

 

[Abomination]

As for your cat analogy, its not really on par. A cat and a human are vastly different, cats cant talk, cats dont have rights, cats are like 1/5 the size of humans. So a person could never really approximate a cat with out some sort of miracle surgery that doesnt exist yet. [snip]

A tree isnt a tree forever, sometimes we turn them into chairs, or pencils, and when i use a pencil, i dont say im using a tree. Things like this can change for the most part.

Strange comparison.

Yes, a tree can be changed into a chair, a pencil, a plank for a house... but it'll always be wood and it'll always be the same type of wood no matter how much you cut it, sand it or treat it. It can change to suit different functions, much like how humans can change and evolve to fill different roles... but they'll always be the sex or ethnicity they were born as, no matter how much you cut or treat it.

Chromosomes do not dictate manhood or womanhood, that's correct... but they do dictate sex.

 

[LysanderNemoinis]

Well said, Faith Meade, show your hatred of intolerance by being intolerant and wishing death on a person because of their beliefs. What the person you hoped "dies in a fire" said wasn't wrong. I mean, if I dyed my skin orange and my hair green, and had surgery to put ridges and lines all along my body, because I firmly believed I was a carrot, or a carrot trapped in a man's body, people would say I was crazy. Yet anybody who finds it strange that a man would self-mutilate and cut off parts of his own body, the person who wonders about the self-mutilator's mental state is the one with problems.

Everybody made fun of Michael Jackson (and rightly so) when he literally bleached himself and through cosmetic surgery turned himself into a complete and total freak of nature, but if he had instead cut off his genitals and got implants and hormones, those same people wouldn't bat an eyelash at it. And that's what I don't understand: How one person getting surgery to change their body for no reason is normal and people around them should drop to their knees to praise said person for their "bravery" and yet another person is thought to be nuts.

 

[Abomination]

Where have I said this was offensive? I said it was abusrd.

You do know what being offended means, right?

Well, you certainly seem offended.

Note that I didn't say you said it was offensive, I said you SEEMED offended, i.e. "upset, displeased, and angry".

Really?

Why ARE you so offended that the joke was changed? You should probably calm down and stop being so thin-skinned.

So yes, I would have to had said I found it offensive for you to be certain I was offended by something.

But you know, keep trying to paint me as a hypocrite here. It's a good effort, at least, but doomed to fail.