You already know the answer to that. If you want get the topic back on track, feel free, I already said my piece.Gordon_4 said:
Captain Marvel or How Marvel does everything better than everyone else
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No I mean very specifically how did we get to looking up Alita or Carol's panties? Like I feel there's a whole bunch of posts that got removed and I'm missing vital context.CoCage said:
I can see em going commando I guess. Panties are symbols of the patriarchy and are fetishized by us evil penis-wielders!Casual Shinji said:
Saw Captain Marvel. It's ok. Story ok. Action ok. Performances ok. Effects ok, aside from The Uncanny Phil Coulson (guess de-aging Sam Jackson got all the budget). Captain Marvel herself feels kind of dull to me tho, but that just might be because the MCU is already full of larger than life characters with several movies worth of development behind them, making her seem plain by comparison. Also, yoo know, Sam Jackson IS in it. Dude tends to out-charisma pretty much anyone.
So, fun little fact, CM made 153 million over its opening weekend, Alita made 3.2 million in the same period. So much for the challenge.CaitSeith said:
I'd say more, but I barely care. We have a terrible film failing to beat an average film. Like, how is this a thing? How did this become a thing?
(Rhetorical question, don't bother answering.)
Uh. Tony ordered Pepper to overload a reactor in Iron Monger?s face. Tony and Rhodey overloaded their beams in Whiplash?s face. Pepper killed the Mandarin. Thor killed what?s his face from the Dark World. The Guardians of the Galaxy killed Ego with a bomb. Black Panther stabbed Killmonger. Vision fried the last Ultron robot.Johnny Novgorod said:
From Wikipedia:erttheking said:
Killmonger "refuses to be healed, choosing to die ".
Malekith "is crushed by his own damaged ship."
Vanko "commits suicide by blowing up his suit."
As for the rest, everybody sort of gets an ironic punishment playing agaisnt their hubris that might as well be handed over by fate.
Ultron is a robot, killed by another robot.
Ego is a planet that destroys planets until it's destroyed itself.
Killian is infected with a virus that takes over and is killed by another person infected with a virus that takes over.
Stane is operating and unwieldy, unstable power-hungry machine that gets fried from too much power. Pepper pushed a button.
Bonus: Cross uses a suit to shrink in size, his suit shrinks him to death. Scott pushed a button.
Every villain either chooses to die, dies from "too much power!" or otherwise simply gets just desserts from fate by having the good guy push a button and watch. Death is usually played more as their fault rather than the hero's, who remains blameless. I think that's a very comfy, convenient way of ending a fight (or a movie for that matter). Nobody ever really makes a tough choice. It's as if the hero just has to run the clock down until the villain makes a mistake and kills himself.
It's karmic.undeadsuitor said:
Of which "power overload" and "killing themselves" are examples.
Still died from someone else stabbing him, he was crushed by his own ship after someone else teleported it right on top of him. Vanko I'll give you that.Johnny Novgorod said:
But your argument was "Disney can't have their heroes kill the villain." And you were pretty blatantly wrong on that front.
P.S. "Ego is a planet that destroys planets until it's destroyed itself." That is a big strech when it comes to irony. Also he tried to destroy planets. He never actually pulled it off.
Went to see it because there was nothing else on and the wife fancied going to the cinema.
Quick review: It was a okay film where the main character was also the worst character.
Extended thoughts: I didn't feel like Carol had an arc. Like in Spider-Man: Homecoming Peter went from being reckless and fool-hardy to learning that his actions have consequences. Carol didn't really learn anything even after finding out that she'd been manipulated and restrained. She just swapped sides and got more powerful. Most of her one liners fell flat and if I had to describe her personality it would be...I actually can't think of anything. I just asked my wife to describe her personality and her first response was "absent". Action scenes were pretty standard and bland. There were't any really interesting set pieces. During the black box flashback I wondered why they didn't do more dog fights, given that Carol being a jet pilot was a whole thing. If she'd been able to fly from the start they could have had some more interesting stuff going on.
The 90s thing felt weird. Like they weren't sure how to convey that it was the 90s so they just threw in some on-the-nose references and music and called it a day. The music was pretty jarring. My wife like Courtney Love over the end credits.
The supporting cast were the best part. The skrull dude interacting with Fury, Goose and Maria were my favourite parts of the film. I actually don't see why everyone is losing it over Goose. The cat stuff got the biggest laughs though and I'm not a big cat person these days but it felt like they were trying to mascot her too hard.
The best thing I can say is that the film was competent. While watching it I actually thought I would have rather seen a film about Monica Rambeau. Carol could have been the mentor figure and Monica being a black girl growing up in the South would have had much more interesting places for her story to go, especially with the Kree/Skrull thing going on. I dunno, thats probably too heavy for Marvel.
Interestingly my wifes take away was that they wanted Maria and Carol to be lesbians but couldn't write it that way because Disney. Her favourite bit was Stan's cameo.
Quick review: It was a okay film where the main character was also the worst character.
Extended thoughts: I didn't feel like Carol had an arc. Like in Spider-Man: Homecoming Peter went from being reckless and fool-hardy to learning that his actions have consequences. Carol didn't really learn anything even after finding out that she'd been manipulated and restrained. She just swapped sides and got more powerful. Most of her one liners fell flat and if I had to describe her personality it would be...I actually can't think of anything. I just asked my wife to describe her personality and her first response was "absent". Action scenes were pretty standard and bland. There were't any really interesting set pieces. During the black box flashback I wondered why they didn't do more dog fights, given that Carol being a jet pilot was a whole thing. If she'd been able to fly from the start they could have had some more interesting stuff going on.
The 90s thing felt weird. Like they weren't sure how to convey that it was the 90s so they just threw in some on-the-nose references and music and called it a day. The music was pretty jarring. My wife like Courtney Love over the end credits.
The supporting cast were the best part. The skrull dude interacting with Fury, Goose and Maria were my favourite parts of the film. I actually don't see why everyone is losing it over Goose. The cat stuff got the biggest laughs though and I'm not a big cat person these days but it felt like they were trying to mascot her too hard.
The best thing I can say is that the film was competent. While watching it I actually thought I would have rather seen a film about Monica Rambeau. Carol could have been the mentor figure and Monica being a black girl growing up in the South would have had much more interesting places for her story to go, especially with the Kree/Skrull thing going on. I dunno, thats probably too heavy for Marvel.
Interestingly my wifes take away was that they wanted Maria and Carol to be lesbians but couldn't write it that way because Disney. Her favourite bit was Stan's cameo.
At the risk of getting into a back-and-forth on the definition of irony... that sounds pretty ironic to me.erttheking said:
The argument is, a hero can never be burdened too much with the responsibility of a villain's death. There's always an element of fate fucking the bad guy over, a decisive blunder that has the hero react in self-defense or something amounting to suicide. Heroes are just running the clock until one of those things happens, and to me that takes away any suspense from the battle. It's a Disney thing - can't have the good guy murder a person, you need a morally squeaky-clean slate to keep things for the whole family. Not to say there hasn't been Disney movies that defy these rules back in the day, but nowadays with the intense moral scrutiny everything receives it's impossible to imagine a superhero do anything but run the clock and wait for the villain to undo himself.
Yeah but for all intents and purposes they just blew up a planet. It felt more like stopping an evil force of nature (like Parallax and Galactus: a bunch of hazy space meanness) than actually killing a person, Kurt Russell avatar notwithstanding.erttheking said:
That doesn?t matter. They killed the bad guy. And I gave you other examples of this happening.Johnny Novgorod said:
This is what I'm talking about. They never were meant to beat each other. Now Alita can't be its own thing as it was meant to be, and it will be known more as the loser to Captain Marvel in the "culture war" than just Alita: The Movie. Screw the edgelords!Hawki said:
It was a fun movie, but it had a few instances that made me roll my eyes;
Why didn't Vers, who still very much thinks that the Skrull are a threat to the universe, kill the Skrull that was on the ground next to Sam Jackson? Oh yeah, they needed him to be a good guy a few scenes later.
Why did Sam Jackson suddenly start playing with a cat after breaking out of his make shift holding cell? Oh yeah, we needed some laughs with the audience and a way to introduce this cat monsters thing.
Why didn't Vers, who still very much thinks that the Skrull are a threat to the universe, kill the Skrull that was on the ground next to Sam Jackson? Oh yeah, they needed him to be a good guy a few scenes later.
Why did Sam Jackson suddenly start playing with a cat after breaking out of his make shift holding cell? Oh yeah, we needed some laughs with the audience and a way to introduce this cat monsters thing.
Fury felt very out of character for the whole film. Like he'd gone from a cynical wise-ass to just a generic Marvel side-character.bluegate said:
Maybe something awful happens to Goose later to make him more jaded.