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Here Comes Tomorrow said:
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It was a fun movie, but it had a few instances that made me roll my eyes;

Why didn't Vers, who still very much thinks that the Skrull are a threat to the universe, kill the Skrull that was on the ground next to Sam Jackson? Oh yeah, they needed him to be a good guy a few scenes later.

Why did Sam Jackson suddenly start playing with a cat after breaking out of his make shift holding cell? Oh yeah, we needed some laughs with the audience and a way to introduce this cat monsters thing.
Fury felt very out of character for the whole film. Like he'd gone from a cynical wise-ass to just a generic Marvel side-character.

Maybe something awful happens to Goose later to make him more jaded.
I mean, this is Fresh Fury. He hasn't yet seen half the shit that Director Fury has seen. The reason he's so unflappable about aliens who are also Norse gods turning up later is because he's seen aliens who are also shapeshifters show up in the 90s. Its his first step into the extraordinary
 

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Meh. It was enjoyable and I can dig the "girl power" message because it's both cool and pisses off the right people but it was a Marvel film. They're all noisy and fun and have a decent sountrack and are well produced but kinda forgettable. Nice twist half-way through that I guess was kinda interesting. Also, either Sam Jackson is looking good these days or else anti-aging CGI is finally getting good.

Actually, being an old Kevin Smith fan, the Stan Lee cameo was pretty damn funny and the highlight of the film for me. I won't spoil it but it seemed a fitting meta tribute for him to go out on.
 

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We have a terrible film failing to beat an average film.
This is what I'm talking about. They never were meant to beat each other. Now Alita can't be its own thing as it was meant to be, and it will be known more as the loser to Captain Marvel in the "culture war" than just Alita: The Movie. Screw the edgelords!
Who gives a fuck what they think? Alita is a winner in my books. The same goes for Captain Marvel, even though I hold no interests in seeing the movie.

I agree with you on the screw edgelords part.
 

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He obviously never saw the movie.

It's really sad how easy it is to tell between those who actually experience something and those who regurgitate talking points from anti-"SJW" youtube videos about it.
That was...not my takeaway from that movie.

To the best of my critical analysis, it passed no judgment on ethno-states in and of themselves. The closest thing to a thesis the film had, in that regard, was that extremism was bad...whether it's extreme isolationism, or extreme interventionism (i.e. colonialism or imperialism). Not to mention, the movie was an overt call-out of Western social activism and "woke" culture, and the paradox that pan-Africanism and afro-nationalism are of, by, and for the (sub-Saharan) African diaspora in the West and, scratching the surface, have vaguely colonialist notions all to their own and little regard for native African sovereignty and agency.

And with that context in mind...Captain Marvel. Funny enough, I had an hour-long discussion with a friend at my place of employment just this week about the movie, wherein I stated my lack of desire to see it nor my support for the movie, the character as she currently is, or the actress portraying her. Most of the hour was spent correcting his initial assumption I was being one of "those" people.

Carol Danvers is actually one of my favorite Marvel characters...at least, she was until 2012. Because, unlike most apparently, I understand the character and understand the backstory behind her creation. You know, a product of second-wave feminism, the character being given her own series in 1977 and the title "Ms. Marvel" (you know, as in Ms. magazine) being a marked feminist political statement, and the character in the comics having a quite outspoken feminist outlook.

None of which mattered in 2012, when certain folks slaving under "gaze theory uber alles", contemporary, post-social media, talking-point-fueled "feminism" decided the character having big tits and wearing a leotard made her problematic, and to Hell with the rest smeared their naked misogyny masquerading as gender transgressivism all over the comic's pages. Erasing the character that once was, and the diverse legacy of the moniker "Captain Marvel" along with it, without so much as a hint of self-awareness or irony of the act.

And, again without a shred of self-awareness or irony, this revisionist take on the character was the one brought to the big screen and given a privileged role in the MCU. Above, y'know, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch (one of my other favorite Marvel characters), Shuri, or Okoye. Especially Shuri, who should become Ironheart after RDJ's departure and you all know it.

No thanks. I'll go watch Wonder Woman again instead of putting a red cent of my own money on the line for that crap.
 

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The argument is, a hero can never be burdened too much with the responsibility of a villain's death. There's always an element of fate fucking the bad guy over, a decisive blunder that has the hero react in self-defense or something amounting to suicide. Heroes are just running the clock until one of those things happens, and to me that takes away any suspense from the battle. It's a Disney thing - can't have the good guy murder a person, you need a morally squeaky-clean slate to keep things for the whole family. Not to say there hasn't been Disney movies that defy these rules back in the day, but nowadays with the intense moral scrutiny everything receives it's impossible to imagine a superhero do anything but run the clock and wait for the villain to undo himself.
...The Guardians planted a bomb in Ego's brain.
Yeah but for all intents and purposes they just blew up a planet. It felt more like stopping an evil force of nature (like Parallax and Galactus: a bunch of hazy space meanness) than actually killing a person, Kurt Russell avatar notwithstanding.
That doesn?t matter. They killed the bad guy. And I gave you other examples of this happening.
Matters to me. I'm not saying the movies are "wrong" for being unlike how I'd prefer them. But in every villain death there's always an element of a "lucky parry" or split-second self-defense that absolves the good guy from actual murder. And if there isn't then it's like blowing up an obstacle or something like that. That's how I knew Thanos wasn't dead when Thor axed him. No MCU villain would get killed in a direct attack from the good guy.

Mark my words: Thanos is gonna die from a fall, some form of sleight of hand, an attack's gonna bounce back, he's gonna asplode from too much powah or some conveniently clean bullshit. At best he'll "let" himself get killed.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
No MCU villain would get killed in a direct attack from the good guy.
...Ronan
Ego
Malekith
YellowJacket
Mandarin
Ultron
You forgot the one dude where Drax rips that piece of circuitry out of his head. Not a main villain, but still prominent enough. While we're talking, Scarlet Witch also throws that blue-haired chick into one of those big grinders in Infinity War.
 

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Alright, my review. 7.5/10

They're trying a different structure to the story and I don't think they pull it off. That being said, the amnesia was more believable than normal. Normally, I roll my eyes at any amnesia, except Momento. Keep,experimenting Mavel, at least it's something new. I didn't care for Carol friend and could have finished with Earth as soon as they left project Pegasus. Carol was pretty funny but not in a one liner way. It just didn't have the quipiness of a normal Marvel movie. Mendelssohn and the whole Skrulls thing was good. I didn't care about the betrayal at all, those characters had not spent much screen time together, why would I care. But the last fight and nothing to prove was really good. I hate movies scenes that depower someone for a honourable fight (eg. Black Panther.) I also really liked when Marvel found out that Fury screwed up. That was a great moment that sold Larsen for me
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
erttheking said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
erttheking said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
The argument is, a hero can never be burdened too much with the responsibility of a villain's death. There's always an element of fate fucking the bad guy over, a decisive blunder that has the hero react in self-defense or something amounting to suicide. Heroes are just running the clock until one of those things happens, and to me that takes away any suspense from the battle. It's a Disney thing - can't have the good guy murder a person, you need a morally squeaky-clean slate to keep things for the whole family. Not to say there hasn't been Disney movies that defy these rules back in the day, but nowadays with the intense moral scrutiny everything receives it's impossible to imagine a superhero do anything but run the clock and wait for the villain to undo himself.
...The Guardians planted a bomb in Ego's brain.
Yeah but for all intents and purposes they just blew up a planet. It felt more like stopping an evil force of nature (like Parallax and Galactus: a bunch of hazy space meanness) than actually killing a person, Kurt Russell avatar notwithstanding.
That doesn?t matter. They killed the bad guy. And I gave you other examples of this happening.
Matters to me. I'm not saying the movies are "wrong" for being unlike how I'd prefer them. But in every villain death there's always an element of a "lucky parry" or split-second self-defense that absolves the good guy from actual murder. And if there isn't then it's like blowing up an obstacle or something like that. That's how I knew Thanos wasn't dead when Thor axed him. No MCU villain would get killed in a direct attack from the good guy.

Mark my words: Thanos is gonna die from a fall, some form of sleight of hand, an attack's gonna bounce back, he's gonna asplode from too much powah or some conveniently clean bullshit. At best he'll "let" himself get killed.
They. Planted. A. Bomb. In. His. Brain. I don?t know how to make this any more clear to you. They flat out said they needed to destroy Ego?s brain and Rocket prepped a bomb with the sole purpose of killing Ego. There is no ?lucky parry? or ?split second self defense.? They went in saying that they needed to kill him.

You?re flat out ignoring what?s in front of your face. And you?re arguing past me.
 

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Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
You're going to have to point out when society ever came to a civilized agreement. It's been a long tradition since at least the Magna Carta to force one side to give the other Rights etc. And by force, I mean humiliating as well.
 

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trunkage said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
You're going to have to point out when society ever came to a civilized agreement. It's been a long tradition since at least the Magna Carta to force one side to give the other Rights etc. And by force, I mean humiliating as well.
Fair enough. I?m just sick of reality getting in the way of my enjoyment of entertainment.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
trunkage said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
You're going to have to point out when society ever came to a civilized agreement. It's been a long tradition since at least the Magna Carta to force one side to give the other Rights etc. And by force, I mean humiliating as well.
Fair enough. I?m just sick of reality getting in the way of my enjoyment of entertainment.
Couldn't agree more
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
trunkage said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
You're going to have to point out when society ever came to a civilized agreement. It's been a long tradition since at least the Magna Carta to force one side to give the other Rights etc. And by force, I mean humiliating as well.
Fair enough. I?m just sick of reality getting in the way of my enjoyment of entertainment.
Don't let idiots like that, bother you nor ruin your entertainment. You have the right to enjoy Captain Marvel or whatever else you like or dislike. As my great grandmother told me "See a fool, leave a fool". After seeing Black Panther and Spiderverse, I didn't let people who dislike the movies for racial reasons or try to undermine their success bring me down. Fuck people like that. Most of them are attention whores with nothing better to do with their lives and are all the more miserable because of it.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
trunkage said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
You're going to have to point out when society ever came to a civilized agreement. It's been a long tradition since at least the Magna Carta to force one side to give the other Rights etc. And by force, I mean humiliating as well.
Fair enough. I?m just sick of reality getting in the way of my enjoyment of entertainment.
If it makes you feel any better the feminist stuff in Captain Marvel is eye rolling at best. It doesn't beat you over the head with it. Most of the problems with it stem from Larson just being a bad fit in the role.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
This seems an odd stance for you to take. You always come off very progressive.
 

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Saelune said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
This seems an odd stance for you to take. You always come off very progressive.

First off, thank you for noticing! And second... I'm all for social equality, I just HATE the people who take it too far. That kind of extremism ruins it or everyone else and makes people like me look bad. I wish I could slap them, but no, no, I have to be "better than that". Yes, I'm bitter. I hope I explained myself better.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
I'm all for social equality, I just HATE the people who take it too far. That kind of extremism ruins it or everyone else and makes people like me look bad. I wish I could slap them, but no, no, I have to be "better than that". Yes, I'm bitter.
I understand the frustration, but sometimes they are not worth the headache. For people like that, just be the person you are and shows you like or care about something without looking like an obnoxious twat to others. Other people can be understanding. Like I said before "See a fool, leave a fool".
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Saelune said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
Look.

I haven?t seen the movie yet, but all the shrieking and howling about ?feminism? this and ?sexism? that are not helping. I just want to enjoy a movie without worrying about all this social justice bullshit, but that?s hard when people can?t come to a civilized agreement anymore.

Sorry for coming off as blunt... I just really wanted to get this off my chest. I don?t expect anyone to listen.
This seems an odd stance for you to take. You always come off very progressive.

First off, thank you for noticing! And second... I'm all for social equality, I just HATE the people who take it too far. That kind of extremism ruins it or everyone else and makes people like me look bad. I wish I could slap them, but no, no, I have to be "better than that". Yes, I'm bitter. I hope I explained myself better.
This film is not extremist at all.