Clarification needed: Why do women LOVE Twilight?

Bobkat1252

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I'm not sure, I've dated two girls who've are in love with the series am dating one one who kind of likes it. What one of my ex's said about it was pretty much word for word this: "Edward is the perfect guy, he's the kind of guy all girls want to be with."* What I can't understand is why he is "perfect" from what I've seen he doesn't look that special, sub-par even. If thats what girls want in a guy, I'm surprised alot of guys I know are single as they out-class Edward.



*This comment is one of the many reasons I'm convinced she's crazy, we broke up soon after this comment was made.
 

Auron555

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Girls like Twilight due to Edward Cullen and/or Robert Pattinson. It's okay for a girl to cover her walls with posters of him, but not okay for me to do the same with Jessica Alba, for example. Well, it's 'okay', but I'd get stares and they get the old 'Oh, girls. Always doing something or something else.'
Or that's at least how it seems to me. I've read them, just to see what the fuss is about, and they're not that great...
 

oopsdidn'tmeanto

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Consider this from the view of a straight female gamer.

I'm a chick under eighteen, (I read the book when I was, hmm, twelve?), and I fucking HATE Twilight. The characters are dull and unimaginative, the vampires are absolute wimps, (Anne Rice's vampires where flaming and could still beat the everliving snot out of Edward. ((No offense to the homosexuals, but that was going to come out wrong in any form)) ), and- UGH!

I have no quarrel with those that like it- opinions, opinions! I'm open minded!- But when I am forced to come across the shrieking s/he-harpies that are the common fangirl/boy, I lose just a pinch of faith in my generation. Liking a character is one thing, screaming about how you want to bear- or father- their children is another.

There is hate for The Vampire Chronicles, and, while I disagree with a few portrayals, these characters were flawed, flesh-and-blood! Not cardboard cutouts alongside a heroine that any insecure girl could paste their face onto.

However, I understand their mentality. Most girls my age are incredibly insecure, I get it. We all dream of a prince that whisks us away. Hell, even I do. It's implanted into our minds around the time most boys dream about owning that robot dog or being Spider Man. But I do know this; no male, no HUMAN, ANYWHERE, is perfect. We have flaws, we're human. Like a person for their qualities, love them for their flaws.

Let's face it, the perfect human being would be truly dull after a while if you were in their presence.

At the thought of a pun, what kind of vampire SPARKLES?

In other news, what the HELL is up with a "vegetarian vampire"? (imagine Yahtzee saying that in his mocking tone, please.) Louis of Vampire Chronicles tried that and then ate a five-year-old girl.
 

KungFuMaster

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Personally, I hate Twilight because the rampant fangirlism is taking away from a shit ton of other books in the same vein that are written SO much better. Yes, I understand they're for tween girls, but in the same way that prison is no excuse for bad tattoos, writing for the Miley Cyrus generation is no excuse for poor storytelling; just look at all the boundaries the Harry Potter books crossed because they were well crafted stories...anyway...

To read something that is everything Twilight *tried* to be, pick up The Southern Vampire Mysteries by Charlaine Harris...or cheat and watch True Blood on HBO...

Also, check out The Hollows series by Kim Harrison.

EDIT: @TorturedHylianSoul (Nice name, BTW), that has got to be the most articulate thing I've heard a "young 'un" post on this site yet (I mean, you used real English and everything)...I work with Special Needs Kids in a high school and the sheer amount of ignorant bullshit I'm exposed on a daily basis, from the "normal" kids, even in "fly on the wall" situations, is enough to make me want to weep for the younger generation...you've restored my faith enough, I think I'll make it to June yet.
 

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What I find worse about girls liking Twilight is the fact that Edward is literally a stalker...he sneaks into her house at night and stares at her as she sleeps. Apparently that's "cute" or something.

If I broke into the house of a girl that I like and hide in her room at night, I would get the cops called on me.
 

Dys

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chuckman1 said:
I know a lot of boys who like Twilight (laughs).
I found the book in on my mates desk, hilarity ensued.

I guess girls like him for the same reasons that girls like any lifeless, unthinking 'man'. Because he gives them false hope of the control they will have over guys, and makes them think it's easy to get a guy so whipped he'll lose all personality and thinking ability-in essence a slave/protecter. Simple fantasy, however boring, but thats the only real way of having control and security without responsibility or agression, having someone else deal with all the bad shit.

I actually only know one girl (other than my sister, as she is retarded enough to follow things purely because they are popular) who has admitted liking that shit too me, and she is renowned for liking shitty romance novels/films and staying in broken relationships.
 

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Hm. Amusingly enough, I had never taken the time to complete a registration at Escapist as there was no real point in my opinion, until I read the title of this thread. So, just for amusement and possibly a reviewing-type of response to the OP, I decided to look into it. Shockingly enough, I saw a multitude of individuals just attempt to "flame" the novel (not that that should have been a surprise to me, though, this is the internet, after all; unintelligent statements run quite commonly here.)

Now, there was a point I was going to make here. First of which is a statement primarily directed at those incessantly "flaming" the book who haven't read it: Please take the time to pick up the novel (or any type of literature for those of you who I am guessing are the "BOOM! HEADSHOT ON SOURCE ALL NIGHT LONG!" type) and complete it before you make any full statements on it; no, the movie does -not- count; the movie, even to dedicated fans, was a considerable disappointment, employing actors striding in mediocrity and a director whom should undoubtedly be permanently removed from his far-too-tall chair.

Now, as to make a statement in response to the OP: Twilight, in and of itself, is, in my opinion, far from the greatest literary work. Though, there are many redeeming aspects that should be worked at in sections here. The most important being stated first: Twilight was a book written for young adults from a fictional young adult's standpoint. The book is written in a first-person set in the mind of a girl in her late teens. Now, the book indulges into the primary character's first love interest, and as any girl in her late teens who is brought into her first relationship: She is -infatuated- by her "lover".

Now that that has been established as to the nature of the book, let us now divulge further into the characters. The first I would like to state is the nature of the vampires, and I am going to state this with much irritation as all of the closed-minded invididuals:

Vampires are -FICTIONAL- characters; let us first establish that. I've read so many comments of " These Vampires don't act like X. These Vampires don't act like Y. These vampires are wimps! These vampires don't line up with ". Now, once you have looked at yourself like that for a moment and still believe that the Vampires presented here are "Wrong". Let us examine things from your gamers' standpoint:

Something every gamer can relate to: Zombies.

Basic concept: Zombies are undead creatures that feast on human blood and attack in a violent manner; if you are bitten, you are turned.

Left 4 Dead: No Explanation. Sh** happens.
Resident Evil: Unleashed Virus by an Underground Organization, and later on, leeches infesting the brains.
Original Zombies: Slow.
Zombies in games like Resident Evil: Fast.

Some Zombies in games/movies learn; others don't. Some are slow, some are fast. Infection type varies. But at the end of the day: They are still a -fictional- type of entity, much like a Vampire. In which case you cannot pin a specific set of characteristics to it. That, my fellow games, is fact.

Now, as far as the relationship between the main characters goes: It's unhealthy. But so are the relationships in 99% of things you are going to watch, read, or play. It's unhealthy, but it has an alluring aspect to it that draws many fans worldwide in. The suspense of what -could- happen in this type of relationship keeps people reading. So, for those of you that at the end of the day thing this is a book for insecure teenage girls, let me tell you how I am:

I am 17.
I'm a writer. I'm a gamer. I'm a musician. I've succeeded on all three fronts.
I am studying law, computer programming, and literature.
I am more confident than you; I have an ego to declare that I am "better" than you.
I've played more games than you, so, don't write me off as some guy who shouldn't be on a gamer's forum; I've read many books, particularly classics, so, you cannot write me off as unintelligent in the literary field.
And I enjoy Twilight.
 

PersianLlama

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I tried reading a page of Twilight because my friend asked me to. It was worse than Jane Eyre, and I thought that task was impossible to accomplish.

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Dezreki said:
I am more confident than you; I have an ego to declare that I am "better" than you.
And I have the ego to respond with "No".
 

TOFUM4ST3R

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Kalezian said:
well, first off head to www.encyclopediadramatica.com/twilight , this will give you a run-down on why people like it. i cant stand the books, or the movie because of how the author made a majority of the characters, namely how the vampires sparkle in daylight instead of bursting into flames like how every other vampire movie EVER made has done, but i guess i like to "conform to the norm".
You might want to find a less Goatse-filled site to provide her with the relevant information.
 

Dezreki

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PersianLlama said:
I tried reading a page of Twilight because my friend asked me to. It was worse than Jane Eyre, and I thought that task was impossible to accomplish.

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Dezreki said:
I am more confident than you; I have an ego to declare that I am "better" than you.
And I have the ego to respond with "No".
*Grins* And I have the persistence and utter, disgusting stubbornness to tell you that you are wrong.
 

Berethond

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It's even more funny to me because it's pretty much a Mormon marriage book about being a dutiful wife. Think about it. She falls madly in love and will do anything for a mysterious, and much older, man who then refuses to 'bite' her until she's married or whatever. Add to the fact that she is absolutely infatuated. A servant of sorts.
I'm really going to have to disagree with you, it's most definitely not a 'Mormon marriage book about being a dutiful wife.' It's not. If you want Mormon literature then read Jesus the Christ.
 

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Alex_P said:
The series is based around teenage sexual insecurity.

Edward really, really, really wants to fuck Bella. This makes him an appealing character for people who are worried attracting men: an Edward will always love you, and you don't have to worry about trying to be smart or pretty or interesting or confident or treating him well.

But Edward is continuously exercising a massive amount of self-control over his obsessive lust, always worried about "hurting" her and whatever. This makes him an appealing character for people who are also worried about what to actually do in a relationship: an Edward will never truly ask anything from you, he'll never encourage you to have sex, he'll never do anything but comply with your desires. He's a harmless male because he's psychologically chained up.

So, there you go: Edward is a "perfect" fictional male for a particular kind of sexually insecure teen. Of course, if you don't share Meyer's mindset, he's just a creepy douche.

In another universe, one in which Meyer was a very talented writer and was doing more than just putting her own fantasies down on paper uncritically, there could be some kind of very interesting creepy D/S emotional abuse thing going on between the protagonists.

-- Alex
You are almost right, but then you do a 180 and miss the point entirely. Yes, there is a strong and rather obvious correlation between Edward's vampiric bloodlust and plain old male lust. And yes, his massive self-control is exactly what makes him so appealing to girls. But dude, that is NOT because these girls are sexually insecure.

Since when is exercising "massive self-control" evidence of being "psychologically chained up"? Edward is constantly denying his own animal desires in order to keep her safe. You know what that's called? Love. The real kind. The kind that's synonymous with sacrifice (which you see very little of in Hollywood romances). And there's a reason we're talking about Edward Cullen right now and not Brad Pitt's or Ryan Reynold's latest characters. Cullen's character has caused such a stir lately not because of his looks, but because he shows real love to his girl by making HER interests his top priority.

And where the hell do you get off calling girls who don't want to be pressured into having sex "sexually insecure"? That's a sickeningly ignorant and immature analysis. Whatever. I respect the movie for its message and hope it might wake up some of our female population who think they have to give in to their man's animal desires before he'll love them. THAT freedom is what girls seek. And, OP, that's why most of them love Twilight.
 

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Echo3Delta said:
And where the hell do you get off calling girls who don't want to be pressured into having sex "sexually insecure"? That's a sickeningly ignorant and immature analysis. Whatever. I respect the movie for its message and hope it might wake up some of our female population who think they have to give in to their man's animal desires before he'll love them. THAT freedom is what girls seek. And, OP, that's why most of them love Twilight.
Worrying about the pressure to have sex is the very definition of adolescent sexual insecurity. Adults generally learn to say "yes" or "no" without beating themselves up about it.

-- Alex
 

Erana

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Well, according to the thread title, I must not be a woman.

But really, its just a generic coming-of-age story that's oriented towards young girls, so whatever.
Frankly, I found... What was that called. "City of Ashes" or something like that.
Well, while driving on long trips, listening to books on CD is a way to be amused. Unfortunately, we've exhausted most of 'em, and were scraping the bottom of the barrel for something, and found it.
Just imagine Twilight crossed with Harry Potter.
Special stick used for magic? Check.
Vampires? Check.
Secret, organized society of magical people? Check.
Angsty, teenage protagonist? Check.
Flying motorcycle? Check.
(Actually, it was a vampire motorcycle. Only some of them can fly, apparently.)

Without having to actually go through the labor of reading the damned thing, I was granted hours of amusement.
 

olaffub42

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i have yet to meet someone who is on the middle ground when it comes to twilight, everyone either loathes it or is obsessed with it.