Cliff Bleszinski Labels Notch a "Pouty Kid" - Updated
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Is it bad I kinda agree with Cliff here? I mean, seriously? That's childish. I wouldn't go as far as calling it pouty, just acting like a child.
Canceling a game just because Facebook acquired the Oculus? No offense, but if Facebook didn't touch oculus, would you think it would sell the more units it's just by itself? It helps them get more word out and get more people interested.
Christ, reading some of these comments made me want to punch my laptop screen.
Canceling a game just because Facebook acquired the Oculus? No offense, but if Facebook didn't touch oculus, would you think it would sell the more units it's just by itself? It helps them get more word out and get more people interested.
Christ, reading some of these comments made me want to punch my laptop screen.
Pretty much. Here's a quick test to see who is being the bigger asshole in this situation.TiberiusEsuriens said:
Facebook (my interpretation): "We don't intend to interfere with the Oculus Rift's development, and have a lot of ideas for additional uses for this device"
Notch (again, interpreted): "I don't like Facebook, so I'm going back on what I said I was going to do, and I'm not going to add functionality to my game that many of my customers were looking forward to."
Now, to me, it seems that we have one company pouring money into a project with the declared intent to keep it true to its original form, and a developer going back on his declared plans on a personal whim. Maybe Facebook will ruin the Rift, but I have no evidence of that, and as I've said elsewhere, the hardware is all I care about in this case. But what I've gotten out of this incident above all else? Don't trust anything Notch says. He's fickle, and can and will turn his back on the people that made him rich if it suits his whim.
I completely agree
The only person Notch is hurting here is his customers, all the people who wanted to play Minecraft on the Rift.
I fully understand his personal misgivings and he is perfectly entitled to them but he also runs a company which makes and produces an exceptionally popular game played by millions, their opinion should be all that matters really in such a situation. I mean if after the acquisition Facebook/OR announced their plan to take over the world by harvesting all the worlds children in some horrible cauldron of death then I'd understand.
How many more times does Notch have to do something before everyone realises he's an immense douchebag...
The only person Notch is hurting here is his customers, all the people who wanted to play Minecraft on the Rift.
I fully understand his personal misgivings and he is perfectly entitled to them but he also runs a company which makes and produces an exceptionally popular game played by millions, their opinion should be all that matters really in such a situation. I mean if after the acquisition Facebook/OR announced their plan to take over the world by harvesting all the worlds children in some horrible cauldron of death then I'd understand.
How many more times does Notch have to do something before everyone realises he's an immense douchebag...
haha, bad move doucheknuckle. i can't wait to see the backlash for this. notch is a beloved figure, you're a dude-bro douchebag. i had already written you off when you said you would only make games for the pc from now on, writing off consoles altogether. honestly, every time i see his stupid face, i wanna punch it.
it's not just me right? he has a seriously punchable face...
it's not just me right? he has a seriously punchable face...
I don't have strong opinions one way or another on the OR/Facebook/Notch thing. I just find it painfully ironic to see CliffyB calling others out for being bratty and whiny.
*Calls Notch childish, then proceeds to call him names*
I couldn't care less to listen to what Cliffy B has to say anymore, I really couldn't. Or Notch for that matter.
I couldn't care less to listen to what Cliffy B has to say anymore, I really couldn't. Or Notch for that matter.
Every time Cliff Bleszinski gets up on his soap box, I wonder a little more why he has that podium in the first place. His accomplishments aren't so grand, nor his insights particularly deep or well-considered; typically they seem to be ninety percent attitude, and that attitude is equal parts petulance and arrogance.
Yes, the people who got in "on the ground floor" weren't buying stock in the company; that doesn't take away the fact that they were there to help build the foundations that made its existence possible long before anyone was talking about things like IPOs, nor does it make their feelings about that thing they believed in and helped nurture meaningless. I don't know what Facebook's acquisition will mean to the future of the company or its technology, whether it will limit its use or broaden it, see the goggles in their final form in more or fewer people's homes. At this point, anyone stating an absolute about that future is indulging in speculation.
But I wouldn't dream in suggesting for one moment that Notch doesn't have every right to express his disappointment in the company's direction in the strongest way available to him.
Yes, the people who got in "on the ground floor" weren't buying stock in the company; that doesn't take away the fact that they were there to help build the foundations that made its existence possible long before anyone was talking about things like IPOs, nor does it make their feelings about that thing they believed in and helped nurture meaningless. I don't know what Facebook's acquisition will mean to the future of the company or its technology, whether it will limit its use or broaden it, see the goggles in their final form in more or fewer people's homes. At this point, anyone stating an absolute about that future is indulging in speculation.
But I wouldn't dream in suggesting for one moment that Notch doesn't have every right to express his disappointment in the company's direction in the strongest way available to him.
I hate agreeing with CliffyB, because he's obnoxious, and calling out Notch is as lame as Notch's actions. However, he's right. Kickstarter isn't an investment firm, all the donors received their "rewards," and I OR will probably benefit from this move.
This statement is utter garbage. There is nothing Facebook can offer as far as getting developers on board that wasn't already happening. Unless people think shitty Facebook games qualifies. The first adopter type consumers who were most excited about this are also exactly the type to be wary of Facebook being involved in anything, and I would be willing to bet are less likely than they've ever been to put down their hard earned cash for the Oculus Rift now. And that multi billion user reach is worthless since the majority of those people aren't going to give a shit about VR for vidya games, and this tech has literally no useful application in modern social networking.
So what does Facebook really bring to the table? Money and not much else. But I don't think that that's even remotely the most important factor in getting the Rift off the ground now. The tech is largely there and working, and attracting investors wasn't likely an issue for them. So what does Facebook offer aside from the best case scenario or having no impact on it, and the worst case scenario of so damaging it's reputation that it's DOA?
Also, let's be honest here, with the amount of times Cliffy B opens his mouth to say something stupid, the man shouldn't have news articles written about him saying something stupid. Notch cancelling Minecraft for Rift isn't being pouty. It's being genuinely concerned about a company he doesn't trust buying out a device he was interested in, and choosing to cancel his investment in developing for it until the fallout is a bit more clear.
That is a perfectly reasonable reaction, particularly when Notch and Mojang are richer than god and don't need to port it to continue being successful and doing their thing. As usual, Cliff is just being a loud mouthed ass and needs to be taught the lesson that almost nothing he says is of any value.
Is Cliffy being hypocritical? Yeah. Does that change anything that he said? No. Look, I'm pretty neutral when it comes to these two figures, and while I wouldn't necessarily have called Notch pouty, cancelling development for a device just because it was picked up by Facebook is pretty childish. His wanting to develop a game for a product should be because the technology itself is intriguing and worth testing out, not whether it's status can count as indie or not. It tells me that he never really had faith in the device because the device itself was unique and interesting, but just because it was a new venture on Kickstarter that hadn't yet gotten a major investor.
Agreed. I had no feelings one way or another toward "Cliffy B" for a long while. Then he goes and retires from development and becomes a loyal knight on social media for whatever thing he personally likes and every time he opens his mouth I think, "Why should I, or anyone else, give a toss about anything you have to say?!"Kajin said:
Just shut up Cliff. It's Notch's game; he can do what he wants with it. He's not the brat because he doesn't want any business dealings with Facebook; you're the brat for judging him because he doesn't want to do what YOU think he should do. He's not the kid who "takes his ball and goes home;" you're the kid who goes and talks trash about him around the school because he, exercising his rightful choice in the matter, didn't want to play the ball game the way that YOU thought it should be played.
Add to this, everything that Notch has ever said has registered to me as, "Huh, well doesn't he sound like a cool, all-around nice guy."
My opinions on both of these guys have further gravitated toward their respective directions.
Or those potential customers could just download the mod, which Notch thoughtfully pointed out on twitter.llamastorm.games said:
If you're not aware, there's a mod that does it: https://t.co/qD9bCeyaeD [https://t.co/qD9bCeyaeD]
? Markus Persson (@notch) March 25, 2014 [https://twitter.com/notch/statuses/448588409385541632]
Just because Notch is cancelling official support (which he is entitled to do, being the creator and owner of Minecraft) doesn't leave all those potential customers in the lurch.
It just means he won't be making any money off any future Oculus/Minecraft combo.
EDIT: Stupid twitter embedding.
You know, Bleszinski's opinion might've held a bit more weight with neutrals if he wasn't about to make money hand over fist from Facebook's acquisition of Oculus (which admittedly, he...admitted to). Calling Notch a "pouty kid" also has a tint of irony to it, considering how parts of that post read.
Thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with him either, I'd say Notch was reactionary at best when he pulled Minecraft almost immediately. At least maybe sit down with people, talk it over with them first.
Back to Bleszinski however, "Cliffy" has had a special talent for sounding like an asshole recently (particularly when he decides to be being contrary for contrary's sake), and it's both sad and disappointing to see.
Thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with him either, I'd say Notch was reactionary at best when he pulled Minecraft almost immediately. At least maybe sit down with people, talk it over with them first.
Back to Bleszinski however, "Cliffy" has had a special talent for sounding like an asshole recently (particularly when he decides to be being contrary for contrary's sake), and it's both sad and disappointing to see.
I care not, one way or the other... I don't care at all about Cliff B, and Notch can do what he wants with his money, it is, after all, his...
Other people who may be "pouty kids" according to CliffyB:
1. Mahatma Gandhi - he should just have accepted that the British Empire ultimately gave India access to the resources it needed.
2. Winston Churchill - he should just have accept that the Greater German Reich gave Poland access to the resources it needed.
3. Martin Luther King - he should just have accepted that racism gave Black People access to the resources they needed.
4. Holocaust Survivors - they should just accept that being genocided gives them access to the resources they needed.
5. Literally everyone who's done something CliffyB wouldn't - they should just accept that believing in the same stuff as CliffyB gives them access to the resources they need.
Not that I think that Zuckerberg has pulled a Hitler here. Just saying that name calling in this situation is completely uncalled for.
Also, totally the sort of thing a pouty kid does. Just throwing that out there.
(sidenote - for fun, see what "Zuckerberg" wants to correct to in Firefox's UK dictionary ^^ I feel as though that's a coincidence, but I want to believe it isn't.)
1. Mahatma Gandhi - he should just have accepted that the British Empire ultimately gave India access to the resources it needed.
2. Winston Churchill - he should just have accept that the Greater German Reich gave Poland access to the resources it needed.
3. Martin Luther King - he should just have accepted that racism gave Black People access to the resources they needed.
4. Holocaust Survivors - they should just accept that being genocided gives them access to the resources they needed.
5. Literally everyone who's done something CliffyB wouldn't - they should just accept that believing in the same stuff as CliffyB gives them access to the resources they need.
Not that I think that Zuckerberg has pulled a Hitler here. Just saying that name calling in this situation is completely uncalled for.
Also, totally the sort of thing a pouty kid does. Just throwing that out there.
(sidenote - for fun, see what "Zuckerberg" wants to correct to in Firefox's UK dictionary ^^ I feel as though that's a coincidence, but I want to believe it isn't.)
If he wouldn't have minded it, he would have already made that port a year ago instead of still dragging his feet aboutSonOfVoorhees said:
He was one of the first developers to receive a Rift devkit, Oculus has practically showered him with attention, yet even his game's modders working for free were more supportive of the Rift than himself.
Now suddenly he expects everyone to believe that his official port was right around the corner after all, and he just made some huge principled stand by "cancelling" it. (that is, not bothering to add it after all).
How and why would Notch be kicking himself? He doesn't like Facebook. He doesn't like how Facebook operates. Generally speaking, he just doesn't care to do business with them. And his financial standing is more than good enough to allow him to pick and choose what sort of entities he does business with on moral or personal grounds.rasputin0009 said:
So why should Notch be kicking himself if OR is a success under Facebook's guidance? He saw something he didn't like and backed out of it. Why is this such a big deal?