Hahaha. Cliffy B complaining about someone being a pouty kid is dripping with hypocrisy, given all the times he's whined about review scores or the secondhand market.
Cliff Bleszinski Labels Notch a "Pouty Kid" - Updated
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Remember kids. The rules say to judge a statement by its content...except for Cliff Bleszinski.
I don't feel any shame in agreeing with him here. I doubt Facebook really cares about Minecraft, so the only people losing here are people who wanted official support like he had promised.
I don't feel any shame in agreeing with him here. I doubt Facebook really cares about Minecraft, so the only people losing here are people who wanted official support like he had promised.
Great mudsliging from the pretty boy PR speaker who whined about "pirated" games on the 360,
Look I love minecraft and contrary to some other games I do like notch, I understand hes not perfect, but I completely understand and think he made the right move by cancelling minecraft, his game his decision and I think he has every right to cancel minecraft for OR
Look im not gonna pretend notch or minecraft is perfect but I think he, along with any other developer or gamer cancelling anything to do with the OR has every right to do so
You can agree or disagree with Cliffy ive stated my opinion, to me though this is just PR speak from the pretty boy of the industry
You can remain excited and interested in the OR, but don't go around calling other gamers and developers "whiny babies" when they see the direction the OR COULD (emphasis on COULD) go, also if the OR does turn out to be amazing, I guarantee developers like Notch will return to it, but for now any developer or gamer that has pre-ordered or kickstarted an OR has every right to feel a little bit betrayed right now
Look I love minecraft and contrary to some other games I do like notch, I understand hes not perfect, but I completely understand and think he made the right move by cancelling minecraft, his game his decision and I think he has every right to cancel minecraft for OR
Look im not gonna pretend notch or minecraft is perfect but I think he, along with any other developer or gamer cancelling anything to do with the OR has every right to do so
You can agree or disagree with Cliffy ive stated my opinion, to me though this is just PR speak from the pretty boy of the industry
You can remain excited and interested in the OR, but don't go around calling other gamers and developers "whiny babies" when they see the direction the OR COULD (emphasis on COULD) go, also if the OR does turn out to be amazing, I guarantee developers like Notch will return to it, but for now any developer or gamer that has pre-ordered or kickstarted an OR has every right to feel a little bit betrayed right now
No longer spending money to develop for a platform that was just bought out by a company you don't like or trust until you see exactly what's going to happen isn't petty and bratty. It's smart business.DugMachine said:
They didn't invest $2 billion into the Rift. They bought the company for $2 billion, most of it stock. There is a massive difference there. That being that none of that money and stock actually goes into the company to develop the tech. How much Facebook will actually spend to develop it is completely unknown right now.Lightknight said:
If I were to count the number of times that revolutionary tech in the video game and IT sectors came about because of large companies investing in R&D I'm not sure I'd run out of fingers and toes. Sure, Oculus needed money to keep developing, but I wouldn't say they were having any trouble getting it before, and aside from money, Facebook brings zero synergies with the devices development to the table. So while it may be too early to say if this is a bad thing, the people saying it's a good thing because Facebook have the money to develop it are getting way ahead of themselves as well.
Not really, stuff like this happens all the time in investments. Since smaller investors, which most of us are, tend to get a rather minimal say in the direction of a company the only effective way to signal discontent is to sell off stock. In this case there was no stock to sell, so implied support was pulled instead.Lightknight said:
If a group I was morally opposed to took a controlling interest in one of my investments, or an investment began making policy decisions that I did not agree with, you're damn right I would sell my stock. From a moral standpoint I may not want to support what is being done by the new lead, and from a business standpoint I may not want to be associated with the new lead.
It does not necessarily have anything to do with the potential business success that may follow with FBs investment. Even if I knew for certain I could make thousands investing in rare earth metal mining in Africa, I still wouldn't because of what it is doing to that country.
You said it yourself, too. "If it were EA...", apparently implying that if EA took a controlling interest in a company you invested with you would pull support. Well, just transfer your feelings on EA to FB to get an idea of how Notch feels about this acquisition.
Seems like game developers and journalists in general (or at least the vocal ones) are a bunch of whining, immature children. Cliff would most certainly be put in to that category right along side most of the people he "calls out".
Yeah? Since when? Whenever a company does something, all i hear is that of course they're doing it, the only job of a company is to make money. Well, if money is the only thing that matters, it's Notch's money and he's free to take it and go home. If any action is understandable when done for profit then he's got the choice to decide not to profit as well. He's not obligated to give you what you want, even if you want to pay him for it.llamastorm.games said:
From Facebook's perspective, there is absolutely no difference between the two. They invested the money to own the product and will now invest even more money. But the point is that facebook is now $2b into making sure this happens. So it will.Vivi22 said:
Then you're not very knowledgeable of tech. Perhaps this speaks more to the rarity of "revolutionary tech". But most of the time, it is people with deep pockets seeing it across the finish line.
Well, yes and no.
Facebook offers the marketing and market access up the wazoo as well as whatever social applications they have in mind to add to the Rift's already impressive functions. Imagine the already existing VR movie theater in addition to being able to have several of your friends virtually in the same theater through some facebook app? As an option, it's great. Just hopefully you won't have to log into facebook to use it otherwise.
Well, sure. Facebook can ruin this. But now there is a huge money pocket fully invested in making this product happen. It's essentially a gaurantee that this will succeed unless the most unlikely of scenarios happens. Additionally, a more reliable stream of cash can lead to a lot more resources being hired and implemented in the process. This is a good thing because of that. But it's definitely too early to divine whether or not Facebook is going to screw this up in some other way (such as crippling the device with intrusive software like EA would). If it were EA, I could go ahead and claim foul. But Facebook hasn't done a ton to change the companies they've already acquired so I have no reason to believe they'd ruin this one here.
If he has a reason to specifically distrust Facebook's involvement. Then sure. Sounds like he just thinks they're creepy and uncertain though, rather than evil or something definite.EvilRoy said:
He has specific reasons, and stated them in his blog. I get the feeling that you don't think his reasons were good enough, but if that's the case then I'm not exactly certain what reasons would be. They don't need to be "evil", they don't even need to do something "bad", they only need to do things that you personally disagree with.Lightknight said:
Because of the nature of investments, if you leave that money in and they do wrong by you or your values, you weren't just complicit in that wrongdoing, you actively supported it. That is a hard thing for many people to deal with, and I don't begrudge anyone for not giving that person or group the chance to make them guilty.
I knew this would happen. The inevitable flaming of Cliff... Even though he's usually right. Why are people putting Notch on a pedestal? Just because he made a great game, that makes him right about everything?
The truth is, Cliff is pretty much the House of video games. He comes off like a douche but it he's got a good reason for everything he says. However, I will admit though that when he was in the gaming industry a while back, he had some learning to do.
The truth is, Cliff is pretty much the House of video games. He comes off like a douche but it he's got a good reason for everything he says. However, I will admit though that when he was in the gaming industry a while back, he had some learning to do.
aww :3
Isn't that cute? Ciffy B thinks people care what he, the 'drunken frat boy' of the games industry, thinks.
Oh well, him being stupid and hypocritical is nothing new or even note worthy, >.> Though it might make a pretty harsh drinking game.
Isn't that cute? Ciffy B thinks people care what he, the 'drunken frat boy' of the games industry, thinks.
Oh well, him being stupid and hypocritical is nothing new or even note worthy, >.> Though it might make a pretty harsh drinking game.
Wow, Cliff Blezinski is a fool. He's wants the Rift to be developed as a stand-alone device instead of a peripheral, that is an even worse decision than selling it to Facebook, you might as well stack it on the shelf next to the VR boy if that happens. I've never though much of Cliff Blezinski, he hasn't really been worth anything to me since 1999, but now I know he's a gigantic fool.
Africa isn't a country. Just saying.EvilRoy said:
/pedantry
Eh. Blezinski isn't any more right than anyone else, really, he is simply one of the more vocal ones about his opinions. In this particular case, I'd be pretty hesitant to call him wrong though. He's definitely right insofar as Facebook does open doors to the Rift that would otherwise be firmly closed. I'm not sure that's a good thing, but it's certainly true.Arnoxthe1 said:
I think that Notch was a bit immature about it. I also think that CliffyB was saying that simply because someone didn't like something he did. Both people are somewhat problematic in their views. Notch obviously freaked out over nothing. CliffyB attacked him for it like the idiot he is. There, both sides are stupid, issue resolved.
Who the fuck is Cliff B anyway? All I know him for is making an average TPS and inventing the active reload ...
Just in the interest of fairness, Notch is bit of a tool. Always seems to be brown nosing the gamers, nearly always being the "most paid" on humble bundles (that I've seen), made a wild suggestion to blizzard (I think) to settle a score in a game ... just seems like he is always trying to be the anti-EA.
Do agree with him though, he kicks in 10K and facebook goes ahead and buys it out for $400 million and stock.
Just in the interest of fairness, Notch is bit of a tool. Always seems to be brown nosing the gamers, nearly always being the "most paid" on humble bundles (that I've seen), made a wild suggestion to blizzard (I think) to settle a score in a game ... just seems like he is always trying to be the anti-EA.
Do agree with him though, he kicks in 10K and facebook goes ahead and buys it out for $400 million and stock.
