The first video on Troy's channel is 6 months old. Where was he in 2014 when the flames started to engulf the topic?Jamcie Kerbizz said:snipsrpilha said:snip
The first video on Troy's channel is 6 months old. Where was he in 2014 when the flames started to engulf the topic?Jamcie Kerbizz said:snipsrpilha said:snip
Congratulations on proving yourself wrong with your own example.maninahat said:What you did there is still a distinct thing from what Lewis is saying.Jamcie Kerbizz said:You make an assertation which you leave unsubstantiated, what for? I can just reply with, no you're wrong - and it would hold as much merit as what you wrote.maninahat said:[snip]
You haven't demonstrated how Lewis' law is circular logic, you've instead given an alternative example of circular logic that doesn't represent the meaning of Lewis' law. Lewis was simply pointing out the irony of how criticisms of sexism attract sexist remarks. These sexist remarks simply add to the proof that there is sexism in the first place; if there wasn't any sexism, then people wouldn't leave self-demonstrating sexist remarks.
I simply used proof by contradiction. You can't rationaly construct an argument like Lewi's did. Assumption that any opposition to action justifies the action. I'll give you even simplier example:
I take your wallet,
you punch me in the face,
I tell officer that me taking your wallet was justified because... you punched me and your wallet is necessary to take ammends from,
for my bleeding nose.
Do you really expect that officer would go with 'Oh ok then, carry on!'
Here's a more accurate comparison:
I complain that people punching others in the face.
Someone hears what I say and punches me in the face.
The fact that I've been punched in the face demonstrates my complaint that people are punching others in the face.
And in the case of Lewis (or Sarkeesian), its just as simple:
She writes an article complaining that there is sexism.
People read her article and leave sexist remarks.
The fact that people have left sexist remarks proves her observation of there being sexism.
So to work this back towards Lewis or Sarkeesian, it now sounds like you are arguing that no, even though the sexism feminists are subjected to is bad, it totally doesn't justify them writing about sexism.Punching me in the face may have been overreaction and unjustified, but setting up an argument that it
justifies stealing your wallet is just an attempt at very poor circular logic.
In his first lawsuit, Jack Thompson SUED the developers of Doom, Quake, Castle Wolfenstein, Redneck Rampage, Nightmare Creatures, MechWarrior, and Resident Evil, the makers and distributors of Natural Born Killers and The Basketball Diaries, and two porn sites for $33 million. You might as well say she is Hitler reborn as a girl, and it wouldn't be any less hyperbolic.Jamcie Kerbizz said:It's true but not accurate. I mean people like her and Jack Thompson aren't the only ever in existance, which tried to prowl on gaming and scam out few bucks. However, only these 2 drummed up sufficient mass media support to make money out of it and garner public attention. Ok maybe there were more but 'computer games are training murderers' and 'computer games are training misogynists' are the 2 largest con campaigns, which mass media funneled as 'worth discussing because theses are such huge problems... and besides... think of the children!'lionsprey said:i would just like to remind everyone that she is only a thing because people pay attention to her.
At work with Disney under contract clause to not engage in things like that.CaitSeith said:The first video on Troy's channel is 6 months old. Where was he in 2014 when the flames started to engulf the topic?Jamcie Kerbizz said:snipsrpilha said:snip
Kind of confused here. Why would you call her that? They both sought money on false premise anchored in computer gaming. Yes, one spun the scam via legal actions, the other via social media and crowdfunding but intent and targets were pretty much the same and not in any way hyperbolic. So what is your point again?CaitSeith said:In his first lawsuit, Jack Thompson SUED the developers of Doom, Quake, Castle Wolfenstein, Redneck Rampage, Nightmare Creatures, MechWarrior, and Resident Evil, the makers and distributors of Natural Born Killers and The Basketball Diaries, and two porn sites for $33 million. You might as well say she is Hitler reborn as a girl, and it wouldn't be any less hyperbolic.Jamcie Kerbizz said:It's true but not accurate. I mean people like her and Jack Thompson aren't the only ever in existance, which tried to prowl on gaming and scam out few bucks. However, only these 2 drummed up sufficient mass media support to make money out of it and garner public attention. Ok maybe there were more but 'computer games are training murderers' and 'computer games are training misogynists' are the 2 largest con campaigns, which mass media funneled as 'worth discussing because theses are such huge problems... and besides... think of the children!'lionsprey said:i would just like to remind everyone that she is only a thing because people pay attention to her.
You have said how they are similiar. Let's see how they are different.Jamcie Kerbizz said:Kind of confused here. Why would you call her that? They both sought money on false premise anchored in computer gaming. Yes, one spun the scam via legal actions, the other via social media and crowdfunding but intent and targets were pretty much the same and not in any way hyperbolic. So what is your point again?CaitSeith said:In his first lawsuit, Jack Thompson SUED the developers of Doom, Quake, Castle Wolfenstein, Redneck Rampage, Nightmare Creatures, MechWarrior, and Resident Evil, the makers and distributors of Natural Born Killers and The Basketball Diaries, and two porn sites for $33 million. You might as well say she is Hitler reborn as a girl, and it wouldn't be any less hyperbolic.
He was working on Disney's Infinity and wasn't in a position to speak out. Maybe you should watch a few of his videos before assuming he isn't worth listening to.CaitSeith said:The first video on Troy's channel is 6 months old. Where was he in 2014 when the flames started to engulf the topic?Jamcie Kerbizz said:snipsrpilha said:snip
If you don't know how feminist-themed critiques pushes buttons then we may have lot to catch up on. So, to begin with here's the typical feminist sales pitches:Hawki said:All I see is someone applying feminist-themed critique to games. If that "pushes buttons," then some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
And? I still am confused what point you are trying to make. Is it that Anita is less successful? Less efficient?CaitSeith said:You have said how they are similiar. Let's see how they are different.Jamcie Kerbizz said:Kind of confused here. Why would you call her that? They both sought money on false premise anchored in computer gaming. Yes, one spun the scam via legal actions, the other via social media and crowdfunding but intent and targets were pretty much the same and not in any way hyperbolic. So what is your point again?CaitSeith said:In his first lawsuit, Jack Thompson SUED the developers of Doom, Quake, Castle Wolfenstein, Redneck Rampage, Nightmare Creatures, MechWarrior, and Resident Evil, the makers and distributors of Natural Born Killers and The Basketball Diaries, and two porn sites for $33 million. You might as well say she is Hitler reborn as a girl, and it wouldn't be any less hyperbolic.
Looked for:
$6,000 in a kickstarter
vs.
$33 millions in a lawsuit
Stated intentions (their words):
5 videos exploring, analyzing and deconstructing some of the most common tropes and stereotypes of female characters in games.
vs.
Hurt Hollywood. Hurt the video game industry. Hurt the sex porn sites.
Potential worst consecuences:
No videos, or people getting the wrong idea about games.
vs.
Game studios, film studios and websites closing.
Measurable results:
Goal in less than a day; almost $160,000 at the end of the kickstarter. 19 videos released in Youtube without plans of continuation.
vs.
Dismissal of court after 2 years of litigation. Followed by suing Take-Two Interactive, Sony and Wal-Mart for $246 million. It was just the second of many to come.
Oh an insult to be sure, but one aimed at every side of the argument, not just the for and against.WeepingAngels said:Best of luck to the talking head who makes lots of blanket statements but the people who called her out earned your insult, or did you mean 'keyboard warriors' as a compliment?
Anita went looking for trouble, found it by attacking gamers and it's the gamers who are the assholes?
It's really just boredomMarik2 said:Wow and now people got active when this made news here
I am just curious, how is it a "false premise" to examine video games from a specific ideological position?Jamcie Kerbizz said:Kind of confused here. Why would you call her that? They both sought money on false premise anchored in computer gaming. Yes, one spun the scam via legal actions, the other via social media and crowdfunding but intent and targets were pretty much the same and not in any way hyperbolic. So what is your point again?
They are attacking us not advertising developments of untested product.Adam Jensen said:News about actual video games come out and there's barely two pages of comments in days, unless it's some highly anticipated game like TES or Zelda etc. Yet we're already at page 3 discussing this hack and scam artist. And it's not like it's the first or 101st time. You want to know what's wrong with gaming culture? It's the fact that gamers care a lot more about meaningless drivel like this series of videos than they care about actual game news. Every time there's some shitty SJW video it gets more attention than gaming stuff that matters.
You know, as a gamer, I don't feel very attacked right now. So what's this whole "us" deal? Also, attacking us? How?Darmani said:They are attacking us not advertising developments of untested product.Adam Jensen said:News about actual video games come out and there's barely two pages of comments in days, unless it's some highly anticipated game like TES or Zelda etc. Yet we're already at page 3 discussing this hack and scam artist. And it's not like it's the first or 101st time. You want to know what's wrong with gaming culture? It's the fact that gamers care a lot more about meaningless drivel like this series of videos than they care about actual game news. Every time there's some shitty SJW video it gets more attention than gaming stuff that matters.
Of course preaching group condemnation to leaders approval gets more response!
Nope, her "relevance" is due to those highly Professional "GameJournos", who shilled the hell out of this charlatan from the very beginning. Can't resist a damsel in distress, those boys. Especially one ghostwritten by an aspirational figure like Johnny Full, the Pop Culture Dick himself.totheendofsin said:I would like to congratulate all the people who had needlessly hostile reactions to her
because you guys were the ones who fueled her relevance